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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2020 11:19:10 GMT
One more little test. This time, my AT33PTG/ii. VTF at 1.85g for Muse_A and 1.86g for Muse_B. Anti-skate not altered. Geometry reset to Stevenson using my Feickert. 96KHz, 32 Bit. 1:30 of the same song.... Muse_A
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Really interested to hear what you think of these. The reason I did these was that my DL103 weighs 25g, so I was thinking it may be outside of the design spec for cartridge weight. I have asked AK if this is the case. For me, this is a lot closer... I think the benefit Houdini will give you is very system dependent, and also depends on what type of music you listen to. I will leave these up today, and tomorrow they go restricted with access by e-mail address only (unless the links get copied elsewhere, in which case they go restricted straight away). |
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 3, 2020 11:50:03 GMT
One more little test. This time, my AT33PTG/ii. VTF at 1.85g for Muse_A and 1.86g for Muse_B. Anti-skate not altered. Geometry reset to Stevenson using my Feickert. 96KHz, 32 Bit. 1:30 of the same song.... Muse_A
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Really interested to hear what you think of these. The reason I did these was that my DL103 weighs 25g, so I was thinking it may be outside of the design spec for cartridge weight. I have asked AK if this is the case. For me, this is a lot closer... I think the benefit Houdini will give you is very system dependent, and also depends on what type of music you listen to. I will leave these up today, and tomorrow they go restricted with access by e-mail address only (unless the links get copied elsewhere, in which case they go restricted straight away). Will do the same as I did with the TC Track and get it on the PecanPi later Via my sennheiser earbuds (at work) this seems a lot closer, so will get the good stuff on it later to see what's what |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2020 11:57:43 GMT
The big difference is due, in my opinion, to the weight of the cartridges.
6.9g vs 24.4g.
I think my Denon may have been pushing the limits, which is why I have redone these files.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2020 11:58:21 GMT
One more little test. This time, my AT33PTG/ii. VTF at 1.85g for Muse_A and 1.86g for Muse_B. Anti-skate not altered. Geometry reset to Stevenson using my Feickert. 96KHz, 32 Bit. 1:30 of the same song.... Muse_A
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Really interested to hear what you think of these. The reason I did these was that my DL103 weighs 25g, so I was thinking it may be outside of the design spec for cartridge weight. I have asked AK if this is the case. For me, this is a lot closer... I think the benefit Houdini will give you is very system dependent, and also depends on what type of music you listen to. I will leave these up today, and tomorrow they go restricted with access by e-mail address only (unless the links get copied elsewhere, in which case they go restricted straight away). Will do the same as I did with the TC Track and get it on the PecanPi later Via my sennheiser earbuds (at work) this seems a lot closer, so will get the good stuff on it later to see what's what So is A or B the Houdini based on what you hear at the moment? And which do you prefer? You are allowed to change your mind later.... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2020 11:59:46 GMT
I can also redo Fast Car tomorrow if anybody is interested.
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 3, 2020 12:32:39 GMT
I can also redo Fast Car tomorrow if anybody is interested. Yes, go for it. I think the result with the AT33PTGII is already far better. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2020 12:59:24 GMT
Why think that adding damping will make an arm any less rigid? You can have a rigid - ultra-rigid - arm, and adding damping isn't going to make it any less rigid. Adding damping attempts to lock the stylus to the groove reducing vertical motion and counter warps damping low frequency resonense. In the 70s you could get a device that you attached to your headshell and did just this. Quite a sophisticated design for such a small thing. I have one. I should dig it out to see if it produces any Houdini-like qualities: www.stereo.net.au/forums/topic/243552-z-track-tonearmcartridge-damper/It cost £10 I think. That was when the audio world was a more sane place, of course. It all depends where the damper is, and the question is not about the arm being rigid or not. It is about the fact that apparently a screw thread on my VTA base and a junction in my arm makes my system a “soft” system. Still, that was last week, and we have moved on since.... Having a damper at the headshell, or the other counterweight end - uncommon - they would perform the same function. Here's your question, which I simply responded to: "How can a tonearm with a damping mechanism be deemed as being “rigid”?" The Mission 774 has damping at the pivot end of the arm tube. It's a pretty rigid design, as it was designed to be. As much cartridge movement allowed with Harry, as there has been with the thread!?! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2020 13:07:38 GMT
Jesus that Z track, thats a Sh#t idea. Aye... And sometimes Sh#t ideas actually work, don't they. When I used it - it did actually function as intended, damping headshell motion. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 3, 2020 13:24:33 GMT
Jesus that Z track, thats a Sh#t idea. Aye... And sometimes Sh#t ideas actually work, don't they. When I used it - it did actually function as intended, damping headshell motion. Hahahaha - No mercy! |
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Post by sq225917 on Oct 3, 2020 14:24:49 GMT
yeh, it will damp headshell motion, while putting loads of transmitted vibration into the headshell
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2020 15:57:00 GMT
Used it on a Hadcock 228 (unipivot (!)).
Wasn't any the worse for it.
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Post by firebottle on Oct 3, 2020 18:44:07 GMT
Much appreciated that you have taken the trouble to do this Kevin.
For me it has to be Muse_B.
There is so much more space to the soundstage and a distincness to the vocal and guitar, I am a Muse fan.
The bass is also more solid, I am hoping this is the non-Houdini version.
Listening on a Samsung phone into Musical Fidelity headphones.
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 3, 2020 19:01:43 GMT
Much appreciated that you have taken the trouble to do this Kevin. For me it has to be Muse_B. There is so much more space to the soundstage and a distincness to the vocal and guitar, I am a Muse fan. The bass is also more solid, I am hoping this is the non-Houdini version. Listening on a Samsung phone into Musical Fidelity headphones. I think I agree Alan. Will stick it on the Pi to make sure EDIT: No i dont agree.... On the Pecan Pi i prefer Muse_A....final answer |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2020 20:10:56 GMT
Do you want to know which track is which now,or tomorrow?
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 3, 2020 20:49:59 GMT
Do you want to know which track is which now,or tomorrow? Tomorrow will do ... I must admit, I'm not all that confident about that one. I have been sent 9 files to pick through and because the tracks are unfamiliar, it's a bit tougher. Still, I won't buy one regardless lol |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2020 0:15:43 GMT
More files done with the AT33PTG/ii, this time loaded at 150 ohms. VTF etc. as before. I am feeling a bit Yello... Yello A
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Post by firebottle on Oct 4, 2020 5:40:25 GMT
Needed a few more listens to Yello.
I prefer B again, I think for the same reasons as Muse.
A seems a slightly 'softer' presentation.
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Post by firebottle on Oct 4, 2020 5:50:44 GMT
TC, less of a difference, possibly as it is a less complex track.
I prefer B again, I think there is a bit more air and lucidity to TC's voice.
This is going to be interesting to see which is which. I wonder if my feelings would be the same if I was listening on the main rig?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2020 6:34:14 GMT
Try it and see....
I will be interested to know if you still go for “B” on all of the tracks.
Don’t forget though, you are hearing a comparison of Houdini on my FX1200, which is probably less obvious than ab RB250/300 - apparently.
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Post by karma67 on Oct 4, 2020 7:37:30 GMT
given the extraordinary amazing differences that the marketing blurb/posts have claimed id expert just 2 tracks,1 blatantly standing out as the one with the Houdini. the fact that your trying it on different cartridges and the amount of recorded tracks put up for 'with or without' makes me think its down to personally taste. would it not stand out screaming if it really did what the makers claim,especially as its £300! send it back and buy some records.you'd probably get the same results in going up to 200 ohm load for the at-33 imo
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2020 8:26:24 GMT
The difference was certainly clearer with the heavier cartridge, but as the “suspension” appears to be sprung, there will obviously be an optimum cartridge mass for the Houdini.
I have a feeling it is more than the AT33PTG/II, and less than my heavy DL103GL.
Being perfectly honest, for the subtle differences I hear on the vinyl and considering the price, I doubt I will be keeping it.
I will see what happens today.
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Post by macca on Oct 4, 2020 8:29:54 GMT
On the TC I really can't tell them apart. Can't be doing with Yello so I don't try that one.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2020 8:42:15 GMT
And Muse?
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Post by macca on Oct 4, 2020 9:05:03 GMT
Can't be doing with them either  Good band but his singing gets on my tits. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2020 9:08:25 GMT
Fair enough....
Anyway, the results are interesting, as Oli picked the Houdini, and Alan consistently picked the normal tracks.
Just remember that these needle drops were done in my system, and it may have a very different result if someone else tries one.
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 4, 2020 9:19:20 GMT
Fair enough.... Anyway, the results are interesting, as Oli picked the Houdini, and Alan consistently picked the normal tracks.
Just remember that these needle drops were done in my system, and it may have a very different result if someone else tries one.That's not unexpected as I was getting harassed at the time. I was also trying to figure something else out too, which I will elaborate on later but it's making me think |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2020 11:17:53 GMT
Fair enough.... Anyway, the results are interesting, as Oli picked the Houdini, and Alan consistently picked the normal tracks.
Just remember that these needle drops were done in my system, and it may have a very different result if someone else tries one.That's not unexpected as I was getting harassed at the time. I was also trying to figure something else out too, which I will elaborate on later but it's making me think You saw my hidden text?  |
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 4, 2020 11:22:29 GMT
That's not unexpected as I was getting harassed at the time. I was also trying to figure something else out too, which I will elaborate on later but it's making me think You saw my hidden text? No? Or did I? I'm confused lol |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2020 11:26:44 GMT
The text about what is what - it is white on a white background.
Tapatalk may be different.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2020 11:32:58 GMT
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Good band but his singing gets on my tits. 