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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 17, 2020 21:36:32 GMT
Cheers. With the Cyrus I had to occasionally turn it down as it could be a little strident. This isn't. Whether or not that could equate to a shortcoming in the high frequencies I can only tell after a few days I reckon. But it's deffo enjoyable. Tons of grunt now it's starting to sing. I don't think anyone could dislike it hifi wise. One thing I am impressed with is the soundstage width . It sounds like it's far wider than the speakers. Clarity and instrument separation is really coming on now. It just sounds all more large scale ? Is that a good audio term ? It is if it gives a good description, and it does. I suspect the Cyrus lacked a bit of refinement from what you are saying? The Denon should be better, and I am confident it'll become clearer in the next few days once you get to grips with what it's doing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2020 21:40:00 GMT
A note about the old 'sssssssibilance' . None. None that there shouldn't be at least. Wonderful.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2020 21:42:44 GMT
It's not very esoteric I admit so it ain't gonna impress the old snooty audiophiles snobbery but it's fun. So....I'm happy and the record shop beckons. 😁
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 17, 2020 23:30:11 GMT
It's not very esoteric I admit so it ain't gonna impress the old snooty audiophiles snobbery but it's fun. So....I'm happy and the record shop beckons. 😁 Great news. Bought a couple myself this week. I do like a new addition to the ranks
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Post by antonio on Apr 18, 2020 4:51:23 GMT
Great news, and there's folk out there who don't believe in 'running in'.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2020 6:55:48 GMT
I hope the Denon is the one and continues to please. I know it's too late to chip in now but if I had £1,000 to spend my first stop would be the first Naim Supernait it's 80 WPC, has digital inputs, a pretty decent onboard dac and has lots of rca inputs rather than the usual din ones Naim love. I know it's not fashionable around most hifi forums but if you like Cyrus amps the I'm pretty sure you would like the Supernait.
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Post by macca on Apr 18, 2020 8:11:47 GMT
Great news, and there's folk out there who don't believe in 'running in'. Like me it's the mind acclimatising to the different presentation. happened to me plenty of times and it isn't running in because it happens with equipment that has had many hours of use even before it came to me. And not everything that's brand new sounds wrong from the off. Whereas if running in was real it would affect all new equipment. It only happens when you;ve got a difference in presentation between what you're used to and the new item. Cyrus and Denon are quite a different presentation and Mr E has had what? 20 years with his Cyrus? There's been a few times when I've had something new (or new to me) and thought I'd never get used to how it plays music and I have. And a few times were I thought I'd got used to it and then after a few months reluctantly decided it was never going to click with me. Hopefully that won't happen here.
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Post by jandl100 on Apr 18, 2020 8:39:41 GMT
Nah, it's running in. Capacitors are known to take some use before they settle down to their proper spec. Must be other things the same.
Sound defo can change from new - heard it many times myself. You can even leave the damn thing going and go back to it after a day or so, and the sound has changed, so that's not acclimatisation.
It's not always a change for the better - I recall a pair of Meridian 605 monoblocks - straight from the box utterly awesome, like the sound was hewn from granite, stunning. 12 hours later, limp as a limp thing, utterly boring.
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Post by macca on Apr 18, 2020 8:59:46 GMT
Don't buy that as the amp would have been soak-tested at the factory and the caps would form then.
Although I'll concede that it might require some warming up from cold - new out of the box after sitting in a warehouse for months, possibly. That might make a subtle but noticeable difference to the sound. Which I suppose is all it would take. Difficult to separate that from psychological acclimatisation though.
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Post by jandl100 on Apr 18, 2020 9:05:21 GMT
Nah, you're just wrong.
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Post by macca on Apr 18, 2020 9:06:39 GMT
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Post by antonio on Apr 18, 2020 9:20:41 GMT
Do you really think Denon soak test all the equipment make Macca? If they do I'll eat me hat.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2020 9:25:24 GMT
Do you really think Denon soak test all the equipment make Macca? If they do I'll eat me hat. No probably not but I reckon they'll all be tested (even if just the boards) which is probably long enough for any forming to occur....
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 18, 2020 9:55:18 GMT
Some capacitors can take a dogs age to fully form. I am totally at ease with burn in. Nothing to do with acclimatising etc.
Some stuff just sounds Sh#t until it has seen some action. Thats 100% in line with my experience
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2020 12:08:42 GMT
So your suggesting is that rather than it settling in it's my brain that's radged ? mmm....Interesting. In fact it's probably more likely. My brain is a pretty random factor. I mean sometimes it's capable of even surprising me with its brilliance . But I have to admit that in anything other than a serious and solution needy scenario it's habit is usually to slip into complete juvinility. It's how I get by. But I have a question. If it went through no change from being in the box to its current state , why did it stink like someone had dug my mother up for the first 4 hours ?
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 18, 2020 13:06:51 GMT
So your suggesting is that rather than it settling in it's my brain that's radged ? mmm....Interesting. In fact it's probably more likely. My brain is a pretty random factor. I mean sometimes it's capable of even surprising me with its brilliance . But I have to admit that in anything other than a serious and solution needy scenario it's habit is usually to slip into complete juvinility. It's how I get by. But I have a question. If it went through no change from being in the box to its current state , why did it stink like someone had dug my mother up for the first 4 hours ? It stunk because it needed to run in. It may change again, which has happened to me before. I take absolutely no notice of any arguement against burn in because i have done it here with alarming regularity. It has happened with cables and phonostages I've built with almost Swiss precision. As for soak testing being enough time for caps to burn in or form.....depends on the capacitor. I have heard tales of mammoth Jupiter caps that actually require a burn in machine, because they will probably outlive the unit they are in, before they burn in. There are suppliers that offer this service for those types of capacitor to. Whether anyone believes it or not, I certainly do.
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Post by macca on Apr 18, 2020 13:14:40 GMT
Some capacitors can take a dogs age to fully form. You've got a reference for this? I've searched the internet and I can't find anything.
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 18, 2020 13:18:06 GMT
Some capacitors can take a dogs age to fully form. You've got a reference for this? I've searched the internet and I can't find anything. Good lord, Macca......I'll have to do some digging but I did read this a long time back. Also, told it again recently See what i can dig up
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Post by sq225917 on Apr 18, 2020 17:25:22 GMT
With lytics forming is taken to mean the time taken for the leakage to reach a steady state value. In circuit this can take ages, depending on voltage they see and current flowing through them. Paradise caps take about 70 hours.
On the bench with a DC supply and a suitable power resistor they take ten minutes.
I've never seen any reference material for film caps.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2020 15:16:47 GMT
So your suggesting is that rather than it settling in it's my brain that's radged ? mmm....Interesting. In fact it's probably more likely. My brain is a pretty random factor. I mean sometimes it's capable of even surprising me with its brilliance . But I have to admit that in anything other than a serious and solution needy scenario it's habit is usually to slip into complete juvinility. It's how I get by. But I have a question. If it went through no change from being in the box to its current state , why did it stink like someone had dug my mother up for the first 4 hours ? It stunk because it needed to run in. It may change again, which has happened to me before. I take absolutely no notice of any arguement against burn in because i have done it here with alarming regularity. It has happened with cables and phonostages I've built with almost Swiss precision. As for soak testing being enough time for caps to burn in or form.....depends on the capacitor. I have heard tales of mammoth Jupiter caps that actually require a burn in machine, because they will probably outlive the unit they are in, before they burn in. There are suppliers that offer this service for those types of capacitor to. Whether anyone believes it or not, I certainly do.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2020 15:17:41 GMT
Cables burning in? Burning out yes but burning in, I'm outta here
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Post by jandl100 on Apr 29, 2020 16:32:02 GMT
So, Mr Engine, how is the Denon amp doing? You happy with it?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2020 20:38:01 GMT
It's really good. Unless I touch the tone controls which just turns it into a mess. I only tried it for fun. It doesn't need to be out of 'Direct' mode. I hae the top source through the 'tape' inputs which I always do just tipp keep there signal path cleaner . I'm delighted with the sound. Nice and chunky and authoritative. Plenty of attack . The best thing is tje bass.... so defined and clean without as nd boom or muddiness .
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