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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 2, 2018 15:58:22 GMT
I really like the threads devoted to IKEA Lack repurposing, with a few decent tools you can get something that looks better than all but the most expensive stuff. I also like the lightweight but stuff construction. Torlyte is better but it’s often not as pretty and it’s expensive
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2018 16:52:50 GMT
I really like the threads devoted to IKEA Lack repurposing, with a few decent tools you can get something that looks better than all but the most expensive stuff. I also like the lightweight but stuff construction. Torlyte is better but it’s often not as pretty and it’s expensive definitely, and they are actually quite durable which makes thinks easier. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2018 18:35:31 GMT
Hi Richard, I like the jumper. Stripes suit you. Yes, I remember Dave From the MCRU bakeoff. I've bought a few sets of KLE plugs from him in recent weeks. And some fancy mains cable parts. Nice chap, always sends me a discount code too. Probably does to everyone but it keeps me returning for more bits. Looks like you had a nice central spot there. How was the event?... The various reports suggest it was a very good meet, focussed on the gear/music, rather than any commercial gain. |
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Post by savvypaul on Jul 2, 2018 20:04:07 GMT
Hi Oliver, Banning Richard from a bake off that he was to be joint organiser of is the cause of this particular conflict. Knowing you a little, I'm genuinely surprised that you seem not to recognise how that would feel in Richard's shoes. If Richard is so much of a problem then why ask him for the bake off in the first place? If people who subsequently express a wish to attend have a problem with Richard then it is their problem only and they should not attend if they cannot put it aside for a few hours. Allowing those people to dictate who can and who cannot attend would make ANY relationship unworkable. Richard just recently attended the Audio Talk bake off and everyone had a good time. You said you enjoyed his company at Huddersfield. Aside from you 'getting it in the ear' from some AOS members, what has changed? ...Sure, we could've put RD, Alan, myself and maybe a couple of HFS members in a room and thrashed it out but it just didn't appeal. We scrapped the idea as a collective and turned our attention to a AoS MiBo. I do understand why Richard feels aggreived and I do see that things didn't go to the original plan BUT its not my behaviour that has caused his exclusion and until that is realised and acted upon, it will keep happening to him. I tried to find other alternatives but NO BODY was willing to entertain the idea if he was involved. I'm glad there are still meets he is welcome to as his products DESERVE to be out there, getting a listen. This I don't dispute. I really can't make it any clearer than that. Hi Oliver,Here's the original bake-off request that Alan (Firebottle) posted at HFS: Hi Doc, let me clear the air and put some facts before you, to prevent the guessing that is going on, no bullshit.New game. You and Nick did me a favour with the comparisons at Huddersfield that showed up the Vivant to be lacking.It has not had a lot of work as Bigman suggests, but some of the compromises in the design had gone too far so were relaxed. The biggest leap has been the small re-design of the MC input stage, with a unique circuit implementation. To my ears it now beats the Paradise, not by a huge amount and of course other peoples views will differ according to taste.A bake off is welcome though Huddersfield is too far, how about somewhere in the midlands?This clearly describes a NVA / Firebottle bake-off, and an aspiration to include the Paradise stage, also (I remember some posts to see if SQ would be interested). It appealed enough for Alan to join HFS to request it. No mention of the rest of AOS being on the guest list. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2018 20:57:25 GMT
...Sure, we could've put RD, Alan, myself and maybe a couple of HFS members in a room and thrashed it out but it just didn't appeal. We scrapped the idea as a collective and turned our attention to a AoS MiBo. I do understand why Richard feels aggreived and I do see that things didn't go to the original plan BUT its not my behaviour that has caused his exclusion and until that is realised and acted upon, it will keep happening to him. I tried to find other alternatives but NO BODY was willing to entertain the idea if he was involved. I'm glad there are still meets he is welcome to as his products DESERVE to be out there, getting a listen. This I don't dispute. I really can't make it any clearer than that. Hi Oliver,Here's the original bake-off request that Alan (Firebottle) posted at HFS: Hi Doc, let me clear the air and put some facts before you, to prevent the guessing that is going on, no bullshit.New game. You and Nick did me a favour with the comparisons at Huddersfield that showed up the Vivant to be lacking.It has not had a lot of work as Bigman suggests, but some of the compromises in the design had gone too far so were relaxed. The biggest leap has been the small re-design of the MC input stage, with a unique circuit implementation. To my ears it now beats the Paradise, not by a huge amount and of course other peoples views will differ according to taste.A bake off is welcome though Huddersfield is too far, how about somewhere in the midlands?This clearly describes a NVA / Firebottle bake-off, and an aspiration to include the Paradise stage, also (I remember some posts to see if SQ would be interested). It appealed enough for Alan to join HFS to request it. No mention of the rest of AOS being on the guest list. Paul, read my earlier posts. This is how it panned out from our side of the forum wars....... Just a reminder: There is no need for the bakeoff as we have and have for some time, access to the NVA unit at our leisure. In time order..... Alan requested a bakeoff to measure the improvement of the Vivant RD suggested Macca host it The bakeoff didn't happen due to the original host, Macca, refusing RD's attendance We attempted to create the bakeoff at a new nuetral venue in the ashes of that attempt. We met resistance to RDs inclusion to the point of there being absolutely no point at all. I was asked to organise an AoS bakeoff as there was appetite in the forum for one I decided to organise it (the AOS one) and recieved great support to do so. We looked at getting an NVA PHONO2 for the bakeoff, along with a Vida and Paradise. Dave Brook offered his NVA His wasn't suitable so I bought one myself We booked a venue We advertised it We will hold it. That's all that there is to say. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2018 21:43:21 GMT
So you admit you reneged on the agreement. The nonsense about me is complete bollocks and I challenge you to prove by saying how many and who refused to attend. sadly for you I know the truth is less than 10 Marco arse lickers commented and the main problem was Macca and Marco, and you know it. Any normal person would have refused the Macca offer, but not you two. The chance to ingratiate your selves to Marco as both of you want to spam and shill the forum as much as you can - that is the truth, come on now admit it. Hi Richard, nice to hear from you again. The chain of events are accurate, the information in the chain of events is accurate and the opposition to your attendance is accurate. Whether you like it or not. You won't bully me into revealing where that opposition came from either. Feel free to say whatever you like. I have no need or interest to share the details of who contacted me and as I was contacted via Private Message, they will remain as they were intended, PRIVATE. If they feel like telling you who they were, that's their right. I don't feel the need to publish private conversations on forums like you do. That's up to you by the way, you do what you feel is right. As I will. |
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Post by savvypaul on Jul 2, 2018 22:20:31 GMT
Paul, read my earlier posts. This is how it panned out from our side of the forum wars....... Just a reminder: There is no need for the bakeoff as we have and have for some time, access to the NVA unit at our leisure. In time order..... Alan requested a bakeoff to measure the improvement of the Vivant RD suggested Macca host it The bakeoff didn't happen due to the original host, Macca, refusing RD's attendance We attempted to create the bakeoff at a new nuetral venue in the ashes of that attempt. We met resistance to RDs inclusion to the point of there being absolutely no point at all. I was asked to organise an AoS bakeoff as there was appetite in the forum for one I decided to organise it (the AOS one) and recieved great support to do so. We looked at getting an NVA PHONO2 for the bakeoff, along with a Vida and Paradise. Dave Brook offered his NVA His wasn't suitable so I bought one myself We booked a venue We advertised it We will hold it. That's all that there is to say. I think it has left a bad taste, Oliver. Richard did not become a different person between Alan's post at HFS and him then being banned from a bake off that he was asked to help organise. If Richard is such a 'bellend' (your phrase) then what were you doing requesting the bake off in the first place? When Macca declined to host, a different venue should have been sought. I find it very difficult not to see opportunism, manipulation and game playing in what has gone on. Maybe, like your post Huddersfield write-up, your eagerness to please your AOS friends has again come first, at Richard's expense. PS. Marco not involved in the bake-off? That got well and truly proved wrong tonight, didn't it? |
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Paul, read my earlier posts. This is how it panned out from our side of the forum wars....... Just a reminder: There is no need for the bakeoff as we have and have for some time, access to the NVA unit at our leisure. In time order..... Alan requested a bakeoff to measure the improvement of the Vivant RD suggested Macca host it The bakeoff didn't happen due to the original host, Macca, refusing RD's attendance We attempted to create the bakeoff at a new nuetral venue in the ashes of that attempt. We met resistance to RDs inclusion to the point of there being absolutely no point at all. I was asked to organise an AoS bakeoff as there was appetite in the forum for one I decided to organise it (the AOS one) and recieved great support to do so. We looked at getting an NVA PHONO2 for the bakeoff, along with a Vida and Paradise. Dave Brook offered his NVA His wasn't suitable so I bought one myself We booked a venue We advertised it We will hold it. That's all that there is to say. I think it has left a bad taste, Oliver. Richard did not become a different person between Alan's post at HFS and him then being banned from a bake off that he was asked to help organise. If Richard is such a 'bellend' (your phrase) then what were you doing requesting the bake off in the first place? When Macca declined to host, a different venue should have been sought. I find it very difficult not to see opportunism, manipulation and game playing in what has gone on. Maybe, like your post Huddersfield write-up, your eagerness to please your AOS friends has again come first, at Richard's expense. |
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"I think it has left a bad taste, Oliver. Richard did not become a different person between Alan's post at HFS and him then being banned from a bake off that he was asked to help organise. If Richard is such a 'bellend' (your phrase) then what were you doing requesting the bake off in the first place? When Macca declined to host, a different venue should have been sought. I find it very difficult not to see opportunism, manipulation and game playing in what has gone on. Maybe, like your post Huddersfield write-up, your eagerness to please your AOS friends has again come first, at Richard's expense"
Paul, i didn't call Richard a bell end, i am using a local phrase to emphasize my point.
We tried to find a different host, admittedly, we didn't think of halls etc, rather a host where we could turn up, use their gear and walk away. It was impossible. Richard couldn't find anyone on HFS to hold it in an appropriate location yet this seems to be forgotten! I don't see this supposed opportunism, manipulation or game playing you speak of, i have nothing to gain from Richards lack of participation! I have nothing to gain from any of this!!!
A write up on the NVA v Vivant is worthless without his participation FFS, i know this and have said this already. I am unaware of how this situation will benefit me in any way, feel free to enlighten me. PLEASE!
As far as "pleasing" anyone, well, i don;'t even know where to start with that. I almost got banned from AoS for blatantly flouncing the NVA ban and recommending the phonostage. That happened twice and i agree, i shouldn't have flounced the rules.
I have nothing to gain. Alan requested the bakeoff, I told him not to bother.
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Post by savvypaul on Jul 3, 2018 6:33:54 GMT
"I think it has left a bad taste, Oliver. Richard did not become a different person between Alan's post at HFS and him then being banned from a bake off that he was asked to help organise. If Richard is such a 'bellend' (your phrase) then what were you doing requesting the bake off in the first place? When Macca declined to host, a different venue should have been sought. I find it very difficult not to see opportunism, manipulation and game playing in what has gone on. Maybe, like your post Huddersfield write-up, your eagerness to please your AOS friends has again come first, at Richard's expense" Paul, i didn't call Richard a bell end, i am using a local phrase to emphasize my point. We tried to find a different host, admittedly, we didn't think of halls etc, rather a host where we could turn up, use their gear and walk away. It was impossible. Richard couldn't find anyone on HFS to hold it in an appropriate location yet this seems to be forgotten! I don't see this supposed opportunism, manipulation or game playing you speak of, i have nothing to gain from Richards lack of participation! I have nothing to gain from any of this!!! A write up on the NVA v Vivant is worthless without his participation FFS, i know this and have said this already. I am unaware of how this situation will benefit me in any way, feel free to enlighten me. PLEASE! As far as "pleasing" anyone, well, i don;'t even know where to start with that. I almost got banned from AoS for blatantly flouncing the NVA ban and recommending the phonostage. That happened twice and i agree, i shouldn't have flounced the rules. I have nothing to gain. Alan requested the bakeoff, I told him not to bother. Hi Oliver, We have a different reading of the events and very different opinions of what should and should not have happened. While that might seem frustrating, I have found the discussion informative and I understand more now than when it started so, for that, thank you for your time. I am of the view, now, that the only way to make progress on this issue is to organise a NVA / Firebottle bake off, i.e. the bake off that Alan originally offered. I'd suggest a 2-leg event...one session at Alan's place (or your place), one session at Richard's place. Once this is done then the AOS Penkridge gig can be seen as a completely separate event. Sincerely, Paul |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2018 7:05:19 GMT
I understand that there will be no photographs of the Penkridge event, as the organisers fear that the magic picture-taking boxes steal people's souls. Maybe someone can draw sketches, like what they have for on-going court cases?
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 3, 2018 7:08:07 GMT
"I think it has left a bad taste, Oliver. Richard did not become a different person between Alan's post at HFS and him then being banned from a bake off that he was asked to help organise. If Richard is such a 'bellend' (your phrase) then what were you doing requesting the bake off in the first place? When Macca declined to host, a different venue should have been sought. I find it very difficult not to see opportunism, manipulation and game playing in what has gone on. Maybe, like your post Huddersfield write-up, your eagerness to please your AOS friends has again come first, at Richard's expense" Paul, i didn't call Richard a bell end, i am using a local phrase to emphasize my point. We tried to find a different host, admittedly, we didn't think of halls etc, rather a host where we could turn up, use their gear and walk away. It was impossible. Richard couldn't find anyone on HFS to hold it in an appropriate location yet this seems to be forgotten! I don't see this supposed opportunism, manipulation or game playing you speak of, i have nothing to gain from Richards lack of participation! I have nothing to gain from any of this!!! A write up on the NVA v Vivant is worthless without his participation FFS, i know this and have said this already. I am unaware of how this situation will benefit me in any way, feel free to enlighten me. PLEASE! As far as "pleasing" anyone, well, i don;'t even know where to start with that. I almost got banned from AoS for blatantly flouncing the NVA ban and recommending the phonostage. That happened twice and i agree, i shouldn't have flounced the rules. I have nothing to gain. Alan requested the bakeoff, I told him not to bother. Hi Oliver, We have a different reading of the events and very different opinions of what should and should not have happened. While that might seem frustrating, I have found the discussion informative and I understand more now than when it started so, for that, thank you for your time. I am of the view, now, that the only way to make progress on this issue is to organise a NVA / Firebottle bake off, i.e. the bake off that Alan originally offered. I'd suggest a 2-leg event...one session at Alan's place (or your place), one session at Richard's place. Once this is done then the AOS Penkridge gig can be seen as a completely separate event. Sincerely, Paul Thank you. A post that recognises yet draws a line under what has passed and looks at a practical means of resolving it. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 3, 2018 7:16:43 GMT
I understand that there will be no photographs of the Penkridge event, as the organisers fear that the magic picture-taking boxes steal people's souls. Maybe someone can draw sketches, like what they have for on-going court cases? I have some sympathy with this approach, even if I feel the message wasn’t conveyed as sympathetically as it could have been. Lots of people have self-image issues. I’d even go so far as to say I regard it as “normal” and “reasonable” for a human being to be unhappy with the way they look and not wish to be confronted with it in a public image. If I was organising an event, I would request that no-one takes ad-hoc pictures of guests. I would explain that an offer to step forward and be in pics will be offered at one clearly defined point in proceedings. No other pics of people should be taken or requested. That places the onus on people to opt in. Otherwise you end up with people being uncomfortable to speak up and opt themselves out. I’d expect attendees to behave reasonably and honour this request. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2018 8:31:09 GMT
I understand that there will be no photographs of the Penkridge event, as the organisers fear that the magic picture-taking boxes steal people's souls. Maybe someone can draw sketches, like what they have for on-going court cases? I have some sympathy with this approach, even if I feel the message wasn’t conveyed as sympathetically as it could have been. Lots of people have self-image issues. I’d even go so far as to say I regard it as “normal” and “reasonable” for a human being to be unhappy with the way they look and not wish to be confronted with it in a public image. If this was a bunch of adolescents or self-obsessed celebs, maybe. In fact, the attendees will in all probability be middle-aged, overweight, greying/balding blokes who look like they got dressed in the dark. They need to get a grip, man up and glory in their lived-in faces. Away with such snowflakiness, I say! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2018 9:33:02 GMT
"I think it has left a bad taste, Oliver. Richard did not become a different person between Alan's post at HFS and him then being banned from a bake off that he was asked to help organise. If Richard is such a 'bellend' (your phrase) then what were you doing requesting the bake off in the first place? When Macca declined to host, a different venue should have been sought. I find it very difficult not to see opportunism, manipulation and game playing in what has gone on. Maybe, like your post Huddersfield write-up, your eagerness to please your AOS friends has again come first, at Richard's expense" Paul, i didn't call Richard a bell end, i am using a local phrase to emphasize my point. We tried to find a different host, admittedly, we didn't think of halls etc, rather a host where we could turn up, use their gear and walk away. It was impossible. Richard couldn't find anyone on HFS to hold it in an appropriate location yet this seems to be forgotten! I don't see this supposed opportunism, manipulation or game playing you speak of, i have nothing to gain from Richards lack of participation! I have nothing to gain from any of this!!! A write up on the NVA v Vivant is worthless without his participation FFS, i know this and have said this already. I am unaware of how this situation will benefit me in any way, feel free to enlighten me. PLEASE! As far as "pleasing" anyone, well, i don;'t even know where to start with that. I almost got banned from AoS for blatantly flouncing the NVA ban and recommending the phonostage. That happened twice and i agree, i shouldn't have flounced the rules. I have nothing to gain. Alan requested the bakeoff, I told him not to bother. Hi Oliver, We have a different reading of the events and very different opinions of what should and should not have happened. While that might seem frustrating, I have found the discussion informative and I understand more now than when it started so, for that, thank you for your time. I am of the view, now, that the only way to make progress on this issue is to organise a NVA / Firebottle bake off, i.e. the bake off that Alan originally offered. I'd suggest a 2-leg event...one session at Alan's place (or your place), one session at Richard's place. Once this is done then the AOS Penkridge gig can be seen as a completely separate event. Sincerely, Paul Hi Paul, Thanks for continuing to genial and approaching this from an angle of finding a solution. I accept that we are opposite sides of the coin, you, Richard HFS and us (AoS) the other. The opinions we hold are going to be different but I assure you, I haven't played any games and certainly haven't benefitted from this situation in the slightest. I absolutely agree that the most satisfactory out come should be for Alan and Richard to arrange something, but I will not be involved in any arrangements. Only then will it be a totally separate event. This is unlikely to be organised this week due to Alan's holiday. Alan is aware of this thread so once he's back from his holiday, he may feel inclined to comment. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2018 14:19:03 GMT
Absolutely, dvh. So when can we look forward to your setting an example, by manning up and posting a picture of your lived-in face?
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Post by savvypaul on Jul 3, 2018 14:32:29 GMT
I have a lot of respect for the way you’ve handled this, Oliver. You’ve been very forthright in respect of your initial loyalty tempering your initial thoughts, you’ve stuck at getting a resolution to this bake off and you’ve logically argued why the current bake off isn’t right. You and SavvyPaul have both made progress and deserve credit. On paper it shouldn’t be hard to organise, but it never pans out that way. Nobody can alter what has passed, so any energy put into it won’t help. I’ll say again to anyone involved and wanting to see a bake off: Before you post, ask yourself whether your comments will take you closer to or further away from your goal.” Good luck Cheers, Westie. Hopefully, we can get a solution and I am sure, if all parties are willing to act accordingly, it should be fairly easy. Personally, I think a few beers, and good old "parlay" would be beneficial, if there is a nice real ale pub near MCRU, alternatively, it could all go titsup  Cool. There is a nice real ale pub just round the corner from MCRU. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 3, 2018 14:33:49 GMT
If hanging out on hifi forums has taught me anything, it’s that it takes all sorts and the hobby attracts obsessive people. I reckon there are lots of folk who would prefer to be off camera. Quite what anyone would want to point a camera at those attending when there is gear to be photographed is another matter. The pics of the gear are often limited too.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2018 15:10:41 GMT
Your posts and moderation still makes no sense to me, is it the word Marco that is not allowed. If that is case then we are having a pointless discussion and the truth can never be seen or the reality reached, so from my point of view I cannot tolerate that, it is beyond daft and make the purpose of this thread completely pointless. So you drive me away, I will not and refuse to live in fantasy land. Why do you always make everything about you? In case you've forgotten, the original topic of this thread was about a bakeoff in Stoke. That was the purpose of this thread, not for you to rant all over, with your usual nutty obsessions. Your last sentence is comical in the extreme, as unfortunately that's the land you permanently inhabit:D
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2018 16:31:15 GMT
Robert - I am responding to ME being moderated, how else would I respond unless about me. The moderation was of ME. Yes, but you being moderated for derailing yet another thread (your forum history is littered with this type of behaviour), with your usual agendas ,has got absolutely nothing to do with the original thread topic. You really do need to learn that forums don't exist simply to facilitate your rants or grudges against people, and when you're rightly pulled up for it, be man enough to accept it, instead of ridiculously playing the victim!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2018 17:07:23 GMT
There seems to be an unfortunate tendency for Hi-Fi forums to be blighted by out of control individuals who leave a trail of disruptive havoc wherever they go.
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Post by macca on Jul 3, 2018 17:09:26 GMT
There seems to be an unfortunate tendency for Hi-Fi forums to be blighted by out of control individuals who leave a trail of disruptive havoc wherever they go. I don't know, you've been quite well-behaved so far. |
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Post by savvypaul on Jul 3, 2018 17:41:31 GMT
There seems to be an unfortunate tendency for Hi-Fi forums to be blighted by out of control individuals who leave a trail of disruptive havoc wherever they go. Only when they are allowed to do so... |
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 3, 2018 17:48:13 GMT
I don’t see why it is so hard for people to come to hifi forums and talk about hifi. It seems to take up less than half the discussion on most hifi forum so though and it surprises me.
Sure they will fall out over whether cables make a difference and whether one source is better than another, but that’s still hifi discussion. All this stuff about other people though, is just a distraction and helps nobody,
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2018 18:21:43 GMT
Only my opinion but further posts here should be about the bake off. Nothing more. Nothing less. Just delete everything else from here Westie. Life will be easier. Anyone posting off topic gets what they deserve.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 3, 2018 19:15:07 GMT
Excellent suggestion. From here on in, this thread is only for the bake-off near stoke. No forum personas, personalities or digs. Just bake off related stuff. Tomorrow I will try to separate the on topic posts about rearranging a future bake off between Firebottle and NVA into another dedicated thread. I will prune any off topic posts from both in the process. It’s after ten here so I may call it a night soon.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2018 19:49:02 GMT
Excellent suggestion. From here on in, this thread is only for the bake-off near stoke. No forum personas, personalities or digs. Just bake off related stuff. Tomorrow I will try to separate the on topic posts about rearranging a future bake off between Firebottle and NVA into another dedicated thread. I will prune any off topic posts from both in the process. It’s after ten here so I may call it a night soon. Good move, Would a write-up of the day be welcome on this thread? |
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 3, 2018 20:00:18 GMT
Excellent suggestion. From here on in, this thread is only for the bake-off near stoke. No forum personas, personalities or digs. Just bake off related stuff. Tomorrow I will try to separate the on topic posts about rearranging a future bake off between Firebottle and NVA into another dedicated thread. I will prune any off topic posts from both in the process. It’s after ten here so I may call it a night soon. Good move, Would a write-up of the day be welcome on this thread? Absolutely. It’s exactly the sort of content I’d love to read and I’m not alone. Much appreciated! |
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Good thinking, Andrew.
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