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Post by Bigman80 on May 1, 2018 14:53:37 GMT
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Post by antonio on May 3, 2018 11:22:41 GMT
Thought this was for AOS members now.
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Post by Bigman80 on May 3, 2018 11:33:04 GMT
Is it now exclusive to them? I haven't checked in a while. I know Oliver and Macca were involved. Oliver was a member of the last forum amd I really hope he finds his way here again.
I'm not sure how Macca would feel about joining another forum when he's so closely associated with AOS but having met him, I have nothing but good things to say about him. He made a very generous donation to charity for a pair of speakers he had to collect from Newcastle. He didn't have to do that.
Personally I'm settled with my phono stage (Michell ISO) so a phono bake off wouldn't be worth the travel. A speaker bake-off just might tempt me if I could make it though.
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Post by dsjr on May 5, 2018 22:20:50 GMT
It was originally supposed to be the Firebottle vs NVA vs Paradise (plus anything else) kind of comparison I gather, as before at the MCRU hosted session, the Firebottle wasn't quite right and Alan had done some work on it in the meantime apparently it seemed and wanted to see how good it is now. Somehow, the 'venue' chosen didn't want the NVA man's presence, so negating the original reason for the session in the first place.
Shame really, but there you are...
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Post by Bigman80 on May 5, 2018 22:34:58 GMT
You never seem to hear the Tom Evans phono stages get mentioned these days. I still use a Michell ISO which looks identical to the original Microgroove (I was told it acrptually is the same thing). I have preferred it to everything else I've tried but I have never tried a single higher price phono stage. For how little there is in any of them, they all seem too expensive to me. Ok, the Paradise looks to have a bit more inside it, but even so, I struggle to see the value.
I'm getting more and more out of touch with prices though, I bought two hifi mags today and there are pieces of plasticky tat selling for £6k and more. I just don't see the point when there are better built used items out there for normal people's money.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2018 22:46:34 GMT
Hi All,
It's now an AoS event.
DJSR is correct,
There was an attempt at organising a bakeoff between the NVA phono 2 and modified Vivant that we hoped could take place at a neutral venue. When the two pieces faced off previously, the NVA was the clear winner. Something I should have said at the time and didn't. I did begrudgingly allude to it, but in my heart I know I didn't portray the NVA phono 2 in its true light. Apologies Richard.
Unfortunately, for this bakeoff there was no neutral venue willing to host it SO we splintered off to do our own thing. It's been said I hijacked it and I suppose I can see why, but there was no interested host from AoS or HFS that was in suitable driving distance.
The bakeoff is now an entirely different animal. It's actually evolved into a AoS MiBO where all items of interest will be demoed in the afternoon session. The early part of the day will be a phonostage bakeoff with what we have available.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 1, 2018 22:59:45 GMT
Hi All, It's now an AoS event. DJSR is correct, There was an attempt at organising a bakeoff between the NVA phono 2 and modified Vivant that we hoped could take place at a neutral venue. When the two pieces faced off previously, the NVA was the clear winner. Something I should have said at the time and didn't. I did begrudgingly allude to it, but in my heart I know I didn't portray the NVA phono 2 in its true light. Apologies Richard. Unfortunately, for this bakeoff there was no neutral venue willing to host it SO we splintered off to do our own thing. It's been said I hijacked it and I suppose I can see why, but there was no interested host from AoS or HFS that was in suitable driving distance. The bakeoff is now an entirely different animal. It's actually evolved into a AoS MiBO where all items of interest will be demoed in the afternoon session. The early part of the day will be a phonostage bakeoff with what we have available. Hi Oliver. Thanks for joining. I have no axe to grind over this bake off and no real interest in seeing who, if anyone “wins”. I really would like to help in any way I can though. Just looking to the future, what would need to be different to get a future bake off sorted? I’m completely ignorant of so much here. For one I don’t know where Alan lives. I know he returned from France but nothing more specific. Does Alan want to attend and is that a deal-breaker, or would he accept you or another trusted party to bring his kit? Is there any issue over Richard attending if it’s Alan or yourself meeting up? I think you are West Midlands somewhere? Is that correct? Sorry to ask so many questions that are probably common knowledge, but it’s new to me and new to here, so I’m hoping that it may help to understand the lay of the land.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2018 0:01:32 GMT
Self justification and untrue. You could have stopped the hi-jack, instead you assisted it. I even said I was willing for it to be at your place. Your tag team are just scared of the comparison the way you were before with trying to get the original Uddersfield one done. I virtually had to trick Firey into it. You could have been part of the solution and a source of honesty, instead you have joined in with the liars and the control freaks and become part of the censorship so beloved by Marco. it is not an AoS event it is MY BAKE OFF YOU HI-JACKED and passed to AoS. Daft analogy - you are asked to organise a Queens garden party but you get a Republican caterer so he bans the Queen attending, just as feckin' daft !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Self justification? I don't see how that's the case. I don't need to justify holding a bakeoff to anyone, especially someone who has pissed off so many people, that he can't even get an invite to his own bakeoff! If this was YOUR bakeoff, Answer me this, Did you book a venue? Did you advertise this event? Have you organised ANY part of it? Is it your money that has been spent renting a venue? the answers are a resounding "NO" So just remind me how i've hijacked YOUR event, an event you haven't planned,booked or advertised? Your behaving like ive taken it out of your pocket FFS. What you think,, is not fact Richard. It's your opinion. The evidence actually suggests that it is me who has done all of the leg work towards an event and you've done F#ck all but moan and bitch that you aren't invited to my event. Evidence is factual. I told you before and you ignored it, as you will now, that YOUR ATTENDANCE IS THE REASON this bakeoff shifted away from the original idea. Not one person we approached (in the logical area we were willing to travel to) was willing to have you in their home, on their premises or even in the same airspace and if you think you'd be welcome in my house after all the Sh#t you've said about me, then you really are delusional. Even your own forum members left you hanging on your request for a venue thread! I am not lying to you Richard, there is no need for me to create a lie, i have no horse in the race, i don't make amps, phonostages or speakers. We aren't in competition and i don't need to steal any your business, i don't need anything from you and i certainly wouldn't gain in any way from hurting your business or you. I am quite happy making cables for forum members for the stupidly low price i do them at. I am not treading on your toes with my little homebrew cables, surely? People started to withdraw their support and phonostages for the event when they realised you might be there. The decision was made to hold an AoS bakeoff and abandon the idea due to this reason and this reason alone. We can't have an event if no one is willing to attend!!!! Like it or lump it. Doesn't matter to me, i don't visit your forum, don't plan on seeing you any time soon and dont need your NVA Phono 2 to have a good time. I have no reason to lie to you, only you have a reason to ignore what i say.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2018 0:18:37 GMT
Hi All, It's now an AoS event. DJSR is correct, There was an attempt at organising a bakeoff between the NVA phono 2 and modified Vivant that we hoped could take place at a neutral venue. When the two pieces faced off previously, the NVA was the clear winner. Something I should have said at the time and didn't. I did begrudgingly allude to it, but in my heart I know I didn't portray the NVA phono 2 in its true light. Apologies Richard. Unfortunately, for this bakeoff there was no neutral venue willing to host it SO we splintered off to do our own thing. It's been said I hijacked it and I suppose I can see why, but there was no interested host from AoS or HFS that was in suitable driving distance. The bakeoff is now an entirely different animal. It's actually evolved into a AoS MiBO where all items of interest will be demoed in the afternoon session. The early part of the day will be a phonostage bakeoff with what we have available. Hi Oliver. Thanks for joining. I have no axe to grind over this bake off and no real interest in seeing who, if anyone “wins”. I really would like to help in any way I can though. Just looking to the future, what would need to be different to get a future bake off sorted? I’m completely ignorant of so much here. For one I don’t know where Alan lives. I know he returned from France but nothing more specific. Does Alan want to attend and is that a deal-breaker, or would he accept you or another trusted party to bring his kit? Is there any issue over Richard attending if it’s Alan or yourself meeting up? I think you are West Midlands somewhere? Is that correct? Sorry to ask so many questions that are probably common knowledge, but it’s new to me and new to here, so I’m hoping that it may help to understand the lay of the land. Thanks for having me! Again lol Well, we actually don't need to do the NVA P2 V Modded Vivant bakeoff anymore, because its been done. In private, by Alan and I due to all the bloody shenanigans that has gone on over this one. The purpose of the original suggestion was for Alan to gauge how far the Modded Vivant has come against the phonostage that we felt set the benchmark in Hudds. The NVA P2 was that phonostage and we really tried to make it happen in public, but it seems whenever the DR is involved, it's like every one suddenly has somewhere else to be. It wasn't meant as a winner or loser situation, he just wanted to see how his modded Vivant would fare. Now we know. Dave Brooks was good enough to do another bakeoff recently and fair play to him, hes a good guy who has hifi in his heart. We just were not capable of attending. That would've been ideal. There's nothing to be done, Westie, but thank you for your offer of help. I don't think a Nato intervention will bring peace to this region of the Forum world.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 2, 2018 0:55:52 GMT
Well you can’t blame a guy for trying. I prefer listening in my own home and system, so I think loans are a far better way to compare. I know you’ve done that with your cable, so I’m assuming you agree. I’m not sure if loans are something Alan does. I’m not even in the market for a phono stage but I’d still have watched the outcome of this one, largely because of the build-up. It had all the makings of Leonard/Duran, Hagler/Hearns Tyson/Holyfield or even Benn/Eubank. Ali/Frazier? You have to draw the line somewhere. It’s only hifi Hopefully someone somewhere will put them together at some point and give us a blow by blow account. Edit: one last gasp attempt at getting a comparison. Any chance of sending one of each to a reviewer?
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 2, 2018 1:07:35 GMT
So is Oliver’s phono 2 actually going to this bake-off?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2018 1:21:54 GMT
So is Oliver’s phono 2 actually going to this bake-off? I am undecided on it as there's no value to the forum as I can't discuss it. Maybe for the wider audience it could go here and then shared on HFS. Up to the doc. I don't visit HFS Richard, and won't. I have no interest in posting there. A review? I haven't done one. I didn't buy it for that reason, I bought it so Alan and i could achieve what we intended to. I plan to keep it too. Sounds great. I didn't lie in the writeup, I just didn't say as much as I should on the NVA. I hated that it was so good. That's the truth. I've come to terms with it after buying one. Which perversely also made me feel a bit remorsful that I hadn't given the NVA the credit it deserved and hadn't given you any credit Call me a liar, call me whatever you want. It matters not to me. If I take my personal NVA phono 2 to the bakeoff, it will get the respect it deserves, nothing more, nothing less.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 2, 2018 1:22:35 GMT
I’d really like to know if it will be present. I realise there’s will be reporting restrictions at AoS but I was going to offer space to report it here to any attendee who wanted to make use of it. I realise it may not be a perfect scenario but at least it will be there and reported on.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 2, 2018 1:23:07 GMT
Looks like we crossed posts but on similar wavelengths. I’d like to read about it and as I said, other attendees would be welcome to post on it here. I would even open a thread up,for guest posts so no need to join if someone didn’t want to.
Edit: How about it, Richard. How would you feel about Oliver’s Phono 2 being taken along and any attendee being able to post their thoughts here? Far from ideal, I get that, but at least it happens and anyone there can report here.
Its 4:30 am here but we are at least close to getting a Phono 2 into the bake off. Worth a few extra bags under the eyes tomorrow if it happens.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 2, 2018 1:38:03 GMT
Is that OK with you, Oliver? I realise it won’t get reported at AoS but any attendee can discuss it anywhere else they choose (doesn’t have to be here but I will happily host reports without any need to join) and all attending will at least get to hear more stages for comparison,
Edit: looks like Oliver has signed off. Well it is late but it looks like the phono bake off will have a late runner after all Here’s hoping........I will sign off there too and get some sleep before it gets light in an hour,
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2018 7:13:53 GMT
Westie,
I am still undecided but as the results of the bakeoff will be decided by votes (I won't be voting, I'll be changing the gear) it would at least be fairly impartial. It is an an AoS event so there will always be the suspicion that we've been unfair and If the Dr is to be believed, the NVA would garner few votes regardless of its performance so I don't really want the whole storm of shite that comes with the product when tested outside of Richards control. Seems pointless to include it when any result other than it winning will result in more aggravation.
Thank you for offering the space on the forum for it though and I will probably share how the day goes.
Richard
The truth is, I am a big fan of the phonostage, I have recommended it, been in breach of forum rules elsewhere promoting it and more importantly, i own it. My only fault was not being as vocal about the NVA as I would have been if the Vivant won that day in Hudds. I tried to say this earlier and again I'm being called a liar even though I said at the time the NVA was the winner of the day. I'd have just written it in a smaller font size if I could and that's what im apologising for. I didn't lie, I just didn't do as I would have, if something else won. That's it.
I don't have anything to do with TXN threads, I wasn't around then and I haven't done anything to harm the NVA brand. I read them and see what's been said and done but it only tells of the aftermath of an event that isn't covered by that thread. Id like to read exactly what happened to cause all of that, then I'd be more likely to comment on it all.
We've said a lot about this subject and unless you are willing to meet in person and sort it out, there is no point carrying on the arguement. There's a lot of typing and reading and I am sure it could be done quicker than this in person.
So, I was at fault and admitted it. I have apologised on this thread and tried to address it. Going forward I'll continue to recommend the phono2 as I did to Shamanic, and countless others, where I can.
I don't see any point in carrying on this row. Either accept the apology or don't.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 2, 2018 8:20:28 GMT
Just a gentle reminder that I want other forum personas left out of discussion here, There is now a realistic opportunity for the comparison to take place. Sure, the circumstances are not ideal. Richard will clearly have trust issues and Oliver will need to find a way to give it an airing at an event sponsored by a forum on which it can’t be reported on. There are two sizeable obstacles and probably other smaller ones.
If the comparison between the two stages can be done as a head to head after the main body of the bake-off, it wouldn’t affect reporting. If the settings and likely cartridge used can be outlined and agreed beforehand, it will perhaps ease any concerns over it being a ken to Sound its best. Just my starting thoughts.
Why not use the space to try and work through those issues and actually get the thing done.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 2, 2018 8:48:32 GMT
My point is that I’m only interested in giving space to getting the Phono 2 a hearing, not the personalities involved. If there are details that can be shared or determined up front, it may ease and doubts about a fair hearing, in turn, easing any likelihood of complications from taking the phono 2 will make it easier for Oliver to include it. It sounds like a group comparison is planned, If a separate head to head between FB and NVA can be done at the end, then it makes inclusion more likely IMO. If the cartridge likely to be used is known, at least you will know if it’s likely to let the Phono 2 work as it should.
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Post by savvypaul on Jul 2, 2018 8:51:06 GMT
Alan (firebottle) joined HFS to request a bake off of his updated phono stage against the NVA Phono 2. He said that the previous bake off (at Huddersfield) had made him realise that he needed to do better. Richard (Doc / Dr. Evil) agreed to a 2nd bake off. Alan was fairly rigid about the distance he was willing to travel and that it must be a neutral venue. Richard was more flexible and suggested Macca's place. Macca said yes to a bake off but no to Richard attending...which obviously made it a non starter. Rather than seek an alternative venue for the Firebottle/ NVA bake off, Alan told Richard that they would do a bake off at Macca' s anyway, that Richard would not be welcome to attend, and that the original bake off would not now be needed.
Im not a fan of a lot of stuff that goes on at AOS but under normal circumstances I would just think 'they are having a bake off, good luck to them'. I like bake offs! The problem I have with this one is the way that it came about and particularly the treatment of Richard. I think even those who dislike Richard, for whatever reason, can see it for what it is.
I have been at a bake off where Richard's kit was not the winner - and Richard was the first to say so, and without excuse. I know others have had the same experience at other bake offs. Richard is, before anything else, an enthusiast. He is passionate about this hobby. He makes his gear to please himself and if you also happen to like it then he will let you buy it. If that brings him an adequate income then he carries on. If not then he does something else to pay the bills. He does not think like a salesman. He seeks to find the absolute truth rather than to merely promote his own products. Many sellers do not think or act that way and they make the mistake of believing that Richard must be playing the same games that they are. He isn't.
Oliver (bigman80) is a nice guy who is also an enthusiast. He wants to be helpful to his mates, especially Alan. Unfortunately, by his own admission, Oliver was not immediately straightforward about the outcome of the Huddersfield bake off and it apoeared he only backed down when he had no choice. He placed loyalty to Alan above the truth. Not a crime but not something that builds trust with others. Of course, this put him in the centre of the crosshairs at HFS . He'll just have to suck that up...holding his hands up over there and showing some sense of humour about it should help him put it in the past.
Alan can build trust (if he is interested in doing so) by doing his utmost to make the NVA/ Firebottle bake off happen in the not too distant future. He did request It, after all. From what I read and see, Richard is willing to offer 'Day 1' to anyone who is serious about it...so there is one party at the table.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 2, 2018 8:58:51 GMT
Hi Paul. Just wondering what you feel about the “bird in the hand”: The rapidly approaching event actually has an available Phono 2. It’s an AoS event and it would seem Richard’s attendance is non-negotiable at this stage. The presence of his phono stage is still a viable possibility. I already outlined a couple of obstacles to this happening and being acceptable to all parties, as well as practical steps to get past these. But I’m just a bloke on a forum with no experience or expertise in ironing out differences to get a settlement. I understand you may have a better skill set. Can you help on this?
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Post by savvypaul on Jul 2, 2018 9:07:16 GMT
Hi Paul. Just wondering what you feel about the “bird in the hand”: The rapidly approaching event actually has an available Phono 2. It’s an AoS event and it would seem Richard’s attendance is non-negotiable at this stage. The presence of his phono stage is still a viable possibility. I already outlined a couple of obstacles to this happening and being acceptable to all parties, as well as practical steps to get past these. But I’m just a bloke on a forum with no experience or expertise in ironing out differences to get a settlement. I understand you may have a better skill set. Can you help on this? Hi Westie, With my negotiator head on I would say it would be very unhelpful. I think it would rightly be seen as game playing. The AOS bake off should be entirely separated from anything related to Alan's original request. The AOS bake off cannot be seen as impartial while Richard is banned from attending.
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Post by savvypaul on Jul 2, 2018 9:09:58 GMT
By the way, Richard is a perfectly sociable, interesting and knowledgeable guy. And that was according to Oliver...
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 2, 2018 9:19:41 GMT
Well that wasn’t what I expected to hear. I can see that there would be a concern over a fair comparison but this hasn’t two elements to it.
1. The use of the phono stage. This can only be affected by things like what it’s plugged into, what cables it’s used with and what cartridge.f these are identified ahead of the comparison then it hopefully irons out much of the potential,fir dispute afterwards. 2. The audience. There’s little you can do about this being an AoS event, but then the ban on NVA discussion also takes care of it being reported at all, let alone unfavourably. To me it’s unlikely that you could keep a lid on the outcome, especially when it’s only going to be posted on other forums. If the comparison is done AFTER the main bake off, it’s a separate comparison.
So if you can minimise the possibility of the ACTUAL performance being compromised and create an opportunity for the PERCEIVED performance to be reported by any attendee, there a good chance that we will get a comparison and hear about it.
Far from ideal, but at least it is imminent and IMO a better bet than pinning your hopes on getting something else together from scratch, with all the same obstacles to overcome.
Just for clarity, it was your first post my opening line addressed, not your second!
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Post by savvypaul on Jul 2, 2018 9:31:09 GMT
Well that wasn’t what I expected to hear. I can see that there would be a concern over a fair comparison but this hasn’t two elements to it. 1. The use of the phono stage. This can only be affected by things like what it’s plugged into, what cables it’s used with and what cartridge.f these are identified ahead of the comparison then it hopefully irons out much of the potential,fir dispute afterwards. 2. The audience. There’s little you can do about this being an AoS event, but then the ban on NVA discussion also takes care of it being reported at all, let alone unfavourably. To me it’s unlikely that you could keep a lid on the outcome, especially when it’s only going to be posted on other forums. If the comparison is done AFTER the main bake off, it’s a separate comparison. So if you can minimise the possibility of the ACTUAL performance being compromised and create an opportunity for the PERCEIVED performance to be reported by any attendee, there a good chance that we will get a comparison and hear about it. Far from ideal, but at least it is imminent and IMO a better bet than pinning your hopes on getting something else together from scratch, with all the same obstacles to overcome. Just for clarity, it was your first post my opening line addressed, not your second! You haven't given enough consideration to the circumstances surrounding this bake off. In any relationship it's important to do what you say you are going to do, or explain why you cannot and try to put it right. That is the starting point.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2018 11:27:18 GMT
Hi all,
Glad to see your input, Paul. I'll extend the same courtesy displayed via our emails.
The NVA wasn't bought entirely to include in the bakeoff. I just want to make it clear that the primary goal was to give Alan the chance to see how far he'd got his Vivant. The bakeoff was a secondary motive BUT I wasn't sure I would take it. Even today, after some gentle persuasion from folks, I am erring on the "No" side.
There isn't any upside to taking it. It can't be reported on, there can be no satisfying the "Honesty" arguement because, well, how would I be able to convince the Doc it was given fair treatment? I can't.
Richard is right, it would be unfair to include it in any writeup and where do I put that! lol. It's not likely to be included in any written word on the bakeoff.
The NVA, is mine to do with as I wish. And I reserve that right.
Secondly, yes, I tried to protect Alan a bit but I only succeeded in hurting Richard which wasn't my intention. I accept the Sh#t I get over that. No question but let's be honest, it's extended WAY beyond that. Not a crime, not really dishonest just not entirely transparent. Something I have learned from greatly.
You can't behave like a bell end Monday to Saturday and then be disappointed at not getting a seat at the table for Sunday dinner. That's why we have the situation with RD not being invited anywhere. Again he references Marco and the bloke has had nothing to do with anything going on at this bakeoff other than to apologise that he can't attend.
Richard, youre obsessed with him. It's like a school girl crush.
The war could be over anytime. You are guilty of dragging it on. You could stop participating and there would be no more war.
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Post by savvypaul on Jul 2, 2018 12:14:21 GMT
Hi Oliver,
Banning Richard from a bake off that he was to be joint organiser of is the cause of this particular conflict. Knowing you a little, I'm genuinely surprised that you seem not to recognise how that would feel in Richard's shoes.
If Richard is so much of a problem then why ask him for the bake off in the first place? If people who subsequently express a wish to attend have a problem with Richard then it is their problem only and they should not attend if they cannot put it aside for a few hours. Allowing those people to dictate who can and who cannot attend would make ANY relationship unworkable.
Richard just recently attended the Audio Talk bake off and everyone had a good time. You said you enjoyed his company at Huddersfield. Aside from you 'getting it in the ear' from some AOS members, what has changed?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2018 12:52:33 GMT
Hi Oliver, Banning Richard from a bake off that he was to be joint organiser of is the cause of this particular conflict. Knowing you a little, I'm genuinely surprised that you seem not to recognise how that would feel in Richard's shoes. If Richard is so much of a problem then why ask him for the bake off in the first place? If people who subsequently express a wish to attend have a problem with Richard then it is their problem only and they should not attend if they cannot put it aside for a few hours. Allowing those people to dictate who can and who cannot attend would make ANY relationship unworkable. Richard just recently attended the Audio Talk bake off and everyone had a good time. You said you enjoyed his company at Huddersfield. Aside from you 'getting it in the ear' from some AOS members, what has changed? Let's not stretch what I said about his company at Huddersfield. I said he seemed jovial and fairly friendly (to others) I also said he did his best to ignore me at all times, something I have also stated elsewhere on HFS. Again, let's be clear, I haven't banned Richard, the group of organisers felt that the only way to proceed was without him. It was a group decision and as I've already stated, this happened because of his behaviour on the internet. As soon as people started to enquire about his likely attendance, they quickly removed their goods and themselves from the purported initial bakeoff. They wouldn't attend, Paul. I'm not making it up. Sure, we could've put RD, Alan, myself and maybe a couple of HFS members in a room and thrashed it out but it just didn't appeal. We scrapped the idea as a collective and turned our attention to a AoS MiBo. I do understand why Richard feels aggreived and I do see that things didn't go to the original plan BUT its not my behaviour that has caused his exclusion and until that is realised and acted upon, it will keep happening to him. I tried to find other alternatives but NO BODY was willing to entertain the idea if he was involved. I'm glad there are still meets he is welcome to as his products DESERVE to be out there, getting a listen. This I don't dispute. I really can't make it any clearer than that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2018 15:27:55 GMT
Again, let's be clear, I haven't banned Richard, the group of organisers felt that the only way to proceed was without him. It was a group decision and as I've already stated, this happened because of his behaviour on the internet. As soon as people started to enquire about his likely attendance, they quickly removed their goods and themselves from the purported initial bakeoff. They wouldn't attend, Paul. I'm not making it up. Sure, we could've put RD, Alan, myself and maybe a couple of HFS members in a room and thrashed it out but it just didn't appeal. We scrapped the idea as a collective and turned our attention to a AoS MiBo. I do understand why Richard feels aggreived and I do see that things didn't go to the original plan BUT its not my behaviour that has caused his exclusion and until that is realised and acted upon, it will keep happening to him. I tried to find other alternatives but NO BODY was willing to entertain the idea if he was involved. I'm glad there are still meets he is welcome to as his products DESERVE to be out there, getting a listen. This I don't dispute. I really can't make it any clearer than that. Nonsense, what group of organisers, there were only two organisers me and Firey until you stuck your oar in, you weren't even involved yet you have done so and created this stooopidity. Macca was a request for a venue, nothing more, not to hi-jack and take the thing over which you and Firey have allowed to happen. The terms were very clear, YOU broke that agreement as Savvy has correctly told you. Excuses that people wouldn't attend because of me is complete bollocks, ADMIN EDIT: Removed as I edited the original I really cannot make it clearer than that! Hang on a sec, I'm just wiping up my tears (of laughter) Listen doc, I couldn't care less about your musings on the bakeoff. As per usual, it's all rage and vengeance from you. Completely biased in your favour. One of us isn't going to get what we want.... I won't be naming anyone who had the objection to your attendance I don't share private messages, unlike you Any way, just sitting here listening to MY Phono2. Did you get my pic? Looks good next to the Firebottle Monoblocks doesn't it!! I built that IKEA rack from spares too. Very pleasing. I'll post the pic here as soon as I know how.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 2, 2018 15:41:25 GMT
My bad instruction I’m afraid. If you choose B.B. code full linked, it will show like this: Very tidy job on the rack. Just my sort of thing.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2018 15:54:41 GMT
My bad instruction I’m afraid. If you choose B.B. code full linked, it will show like this: Very tidy job on the rack. Just my sort of thing. Ah! I see. Thanks for the post. Yes, I'm really pleased with how it's turned out. It did take all of yesterday to do though.
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