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Post by gninnam on Sept 10, 2021 15:48:08 GMT
Cheers - they look nice which is always important
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Post by jandl100 on Sept 10, 2021 20:38:39 GMT
To show the B&O speakers better; they have a golden brown vinyl wrap which goes well with the room's decor. And the Nobsound NS-08P pre has been supplanted by a Lexicon MC-1 pre. I just love these Lexicons. Several £k back in the day (early Noughties) they can now be had for £100 or so. Total bargain. They just sound sooooo musical to my ears. I have three (3) of them.
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Post by antonio on Sept 10, 2021 23:24:54 GMT
Well, I've always admired those B & O's whenever you've shown them on forums, and having three MC-1's is a great idea if and when one of them fails.
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Post by jandl100 on Sept 11, 2021 6:03:28 GMT
I did have 4 Lexicons, but I perhaps injudiciously sold one. I should mention that the Lexicons are really surround processors, but they have a 2 channel mode and also absolutely fabulous DACs imo. They aren't the ultimate in audiophile approved transparency and dynamic impact, but for me that becomes irrelevant when they play the music so beautifully. It's actually a couple of years since I last used one, and I kind of had the slowly growing feeling that they weren't really up to it given some of the great gear I've been using. But it was rainy yesterday, so indoors all day, and I thought it might be fun to try one of them again.... and just totally fell in love with them once more. Note that this is in my 2nd system. I may well try a Lexy in my Big Rig again. Although my recently acquired 20yo EAD processor may well be doing the same thing but better. The reviews of the time imply so. It'll be fun to try it sometime.
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Post by jandl100 on Sept 23, 2021 14:35:20 GMT
Current electronics line up. The most recent newcomer is top left; a Wyred 4 Sound DAC1. Very pleased with it. It's rather put into the shade both the XiangSheng DAC05Aii and also the onboard DAC in the EAD processor, I'm only using it as a preamp now. Also shown are Goosey, Froggie and a vaguely locust-like green thing that wobbles when you touch it. Oh, and a brace of Primaluna Prologue 7 valve monoblocks, a Quad 303, and the Chinese JLH amp that is currently supplying the tunes. I do have a new GE 5670 tube to try in the XiangSheng, that might up its game a bit compared to the W4S.
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Post by antonio on Sept 24, 2021 1:49:15 GMT
Impressive.
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Post by jandl100 on Oct 23, 2021 16:20:41 GMT
Stack of current favourite preamps, placed immediately next to my listening chair as two of them don't have remote control and I prefer to adjust volume level from my chair. From the top, Chinese stepped passive with remote handset & twin piggies, Concordant Exhilarant valve pre, Densen DM20 solid state. I can swap between them in about 30 seconds, including valve power amps' warmup The differences in sonic presentation are subtle but quite noticeable. I find that I stay with one for about a week then do a swap to enjoy the presentation of one of the others. The most euphonic, to my ears, is the Densen, surprisingly. A definite touch of added niceness, 'pretty' is the word that came to mind when I swapped over to it yesterday. The best clarity is from the passive, with a touch of added zing. The Concordant falls in between, almost as transparent as the passive but with an extra soupcon of dynamic push and 3D imagery, and would probably be my choice if I only kept one.
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Post by macca on Oct 23, 2021 17:31:44 GMT
Concordant Exhilarant. Been a long time since I've seen one of them come up. Weren't they all the rage back about 1990?
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Post by brian2957 on Oct 23, 2021 17:36:30 GMT
Aye, I remember the Concordant from my dark and murky past
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Post by jandl100 on Oct 23, 2021 17:41:39 GMT
My Exhilarant has been refurbed recently and the volume pot, which had become noisy, replaced with a stepped attenuator.... which probably goes some way to explain its excellent sonic performance.
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Post by macca on Oct 23, 2021 17:51:34 GMT
It looks like a proper bit of kit. That was high end back in the day.
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Post by jandl100 on Oct 23, 2021 18:00:13 GMT
It still is high end! Here's the innards, with stepped attenuator top centre. Valves are 3x Matsushita 12au7, 2x Matsushita 12ax7, and I can't recall the rectifier.
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Post by firebottle on Oct 23, 2021 18:09:43 GMT
Looks like a simple circuit. The KISS principle in action.
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Post by dsjr on Oct 23, 2021 18:38:14 GMT
What are the speakers to the right of the duck? Yup, B&O CX100. Quite an interesting design, metal cabinet that feels solid, weighty, and well braced. Very low levels of midband colouration, they sound very clear and clean. Good bass depth for the quite small cab size, although the Jamo sub adds a useful bit of clean heft and takes it to well below 40hz in room. You've probably moved these on now, but when we sold these new, I longed for some more 'drama' in the sound (no, not like Kans...). Not sure you're interested, but beopeople think nothing of recapping their passive crossover caps these days and, judging by how they seem to go off (in addition to the foam surrounds in these), I wonder if more can be had from this design. I agree, great metal cabs in these. if you ever see 3800's at a fair price, give 'em a go (Goodmans Goodwoods with different tweeters and much better looking )
P.S. I've benefited from one of your 'cast offs' and it's great for my needs thanks
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Post by jandl100 on Oct 23, 2021 19:10:49 GMT
Ah, the midi Sony preamp. Yes, I fancied trying it due to its rep, but it didn't do much for me.
I've no plans to move on or mod the little B&O speakers, they have been recapped and fully refurbished, they sound genuinely excellent to me. They do benefit from a gutsy pro solid state amp.
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Post by macca on Oct 23, 2021 21:29:44 GMT
I got an XTZ on my B&O, 110 watts. Sensitivity is pretty low.
They remind me a lot of the Harbeth SHL5, never going to offend but as Dave says they lack drama. More than good enough for the telly. I noticed that bloke from Def Leppard has some in his studio.
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Post by jandl100 on Oct 24, 2021 3:34:08 GMT
Well, you could both be right about the lack of dynamic impact of the B&O speakers. I can't say I've tried them with heavy material.
In the environment where the speakers are used I don't try to play recordings of steam riveters going flat out, but they sound really good on small to medium scale classical music! There's excellent clarity and tonal neutrality, and a well lit kind of openness about them. Anyway, they meet my needs.
I've tried quite a few speakers in that system - including Ushers, Magnepan 1.6qr, KEF R500 - and the B&O are the only ones I've felt really settled with. They certainly tick my boxes for the particular requirement.
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Post by macca on Oct 24, 2021 7:43:28 GMT
Mine are also at their best with Classical music. I guess B&O knew their target market.
Given I only paid £170 for them (already re-foamed) and with the integral stands I have no complaints. No way you could get a brand new speaker remotely as good for that sort of money.
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Post by dsjr on Oct 24, 2021 9:56:29 GMT
B&O people tended in my day to be different depending on the area. In the home counties, it was highly successful tradespeople with a business and employees, who wanted to show off how successful they were. Out of this area, it seemed to be older people, possibly retired, who wanted something nicely made and finished that would fit into their home environment (their wall speakers of the 80's were sometimes hidden behind curtains for example). Back then in my youthful audiophile ignorance, I all but sneered at these people who cared not for sound quality (they took it for granted it'd be good). Forty years later, I feel very differently and see only too well my wife's all-but-refusal to play the stereos here, as it's too much 'faff' to fire it up. B&O long ago mastered the art of 'inviting' the user in, glass doors sliding open and illuminating the 'play area' in the 2300/2500/Ouverture (and whatever it was called later before being replaced after so many years) - the Ouvertture actually made for a good basic preamp to drive remote amps although it's not for audiophiles really. Aftersales service wasn't an issue back then but no idea now and aforementioned 'Ouverture-style' products are now rather old. Early streaming stuff appeared to be MP3 based (as you'd expect from the customer base) but no idea now. Not sure if anyone's interested, but the Beolab 4000 active stand/shelf speakers I thought were very good indeed if treated like a proper speaker (slightly larger bass-mid driver not needing so much eq for bass), the plain cylindrical 6000 floor stander worked brilliantly near corners and the well known 'pencil' models (8000 in my day) were good on a long wall well out from corners. Prices now aren't silly-high on the used market, but watch out for some of the small driver surrounds crumbling away. I've been fighting this, but as top little actives from Neumann and Genelec are so expensive and not good looking domestically, the B&O's just might possibly offer a small-scale alternative for second systems away from the man-cave. The very thin Belden based (I think) Powerlink connecting cables actually worked quite well as an interconnect too if wired for this - I still have a home made DIN to RCA cable I once made up somewhere. Apologies if I'm crapping on your thread Jerry
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Post by dsjr on Oct 24, 2021 10:06:39 GMT
Ah, the midi Sony preamp. Yes, I fancied trying it due to its rep, but it didn't do much for me. I've no plans to move on or mod the little B&O speakers, they have been recapped and fully refurbished, they sound genuinely excellent to me. They do benefit from a gutsy pro solid state amp. It's my personal version of KISS, as the circuit when used in 'direct' mode is basically one stereo op-amp in the signal path, the tone and balance section totally bypassed according to the service manual. It 'sounds' very much (ok, memory rather than comparison) like the AVI preamps I used to like and has enough output from a low output impedance for longer interconnects to remote power amps (the matching speakers were very interesting with mfb bass drivers and ribbon tweets? if you remember) and I can hear recording differences clearly through it. I found the proper side cheeks and remote bus cable for it, already had the CD player and got the very capable tuner cheap to match, so my better half could use it if she wanted. I have enough power amps to connect it to, so that's not an issue currently
Final thought on Beosystems in general - they ALWAYS sounded better in client's homes than in the store.
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Post by jandl100 on Oct 24, 2021 10:18:32 GMT
No worries, Dave, that's fine.
I can't recall now what first got me interested in B&O speakers - mix and match specialist that I am, they aren't an obvious brand for me to be attracted to. Probably the positive comments I kept on coming across on t'internet.
I bought one CX100 pair from the ebay seller who refurbs them, with a wide choice of vinyl wrap colour, for £180 or so to go in a 2nd system in a conservatory. They look absolutely immaculate, he does a fabulous job. I was so impressed with their appearance and sound that I bought another pair to go in the main system in our 2nd home.
It's a couple of years or more now, I think, and I remain impressed and very happy with them.
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Post by jandl100 on Oct 30, 2021 11:42:56 GMT
Spoilt for choice. My old Concordant Exhilarant valve pre now joined by a conrad johnson pv-7. Both extraordinarily talented in conveying the music imo. I haven't gone back to the Concordant since the cj arrived at the start of the week. Which says quite a lot. From what I'd read I expected a warmly diffuse but captivating sound, naughty but nice, but once I'd got my own choice of valves in there (Psvane 12ax7 and TAD 12at7) it's not like that at all. More of a transparent view into the performance. Very dynamically nuanced. Smoothly explicit, might be the best summary. I think it's the nearest I've had to hearing real musicians in my room. Very pleased with it. I've a TAD 12ax7a-c on order to see how it compares with the Psvane. Yes, I know that TADs are only 'selected' Shuguang Chinese valves, but I usually really like them - vivid, articulate, focused seem to be their usual sonic characteristics. Definitely my goto brand. I'll go back to the Concordant preamp sometime soon and check out how I respond to that now.
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Post by gninnam on Oct 30, 2021 12:39:05 GMT
Very spoilt and a nice pair you have there
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Post by antonio on Oct 31, 2021 2:19:52 GMT
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Post by jandl100 on Nov 20, 2021 19:32:11 GMT
This is impressing me with its clarity and strength of sound. An Ayre AX-7e integrated amp. As per Art Dudley's Stereophile review, it works best in balanced mode although the difference is a bit marginal. Happily I've got 2 DACs with balanced outputs - currently enjoying the Wyred 4 Sound DAC 1. I did a px deal for my Primaluna monoblocks. Very happy with the new sound of my system.
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 20, 2021 19:52:54 GMT
This is impressing me with its clarity and strength of sound. An Ayre AX-7 integrated amp. As per Art Dudley's Stereophile review, it works best in balanced mode. Happily I've got 2 DACs with balanced outputs - currently enjoying the Wyred 4 Sound DAC 1. I did a px deal for my Primaluna monoblocks. Very happy with the new sound of my system. Ooooh. I've read a lot about them. They have a really good rep. Hans Beekhuyzen uses one.
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Post by misterc on Nov 20, 2021 20:11:58 GMT
Thats interesting Jerry, how do you find a change of sound from the iron fist in a velevet glove to the realtive dryness of the Ayre?
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Post by jandl100 on Nov 20, 2021 20:13:33 GMT
They have a really good rep. Hans Beekhuyzen uses one. Noooooooooo!!! Ah well, macca should approve.
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 20, 2021 20:15:05 GMT
They have a really good rep. Hans Beekhuyzen uses one. Noooooooooo!!! Ah well, macca should approve. I was laughing my head off as I wrote that. It's true though.
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Post by jandl100 on Nov 20, 2021 20:17:57 GMT
Thats interesting Jerry, how do you find a change of sond from the iron fist in a velevet glove to the realtive dryness of the Ayre? Hmm, a curious question. It doesn't sound dry to me, just clear and controlled. It needs a while after turn on to get rid of some emphasis and graininess in the treble, and for the dynamics to loosen up, but after that it just sounds excellent to me. But it's only been here since yesterday, so I'm sure I need longer to delve deeply into its sound. But it's all good so far.
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