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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2019 14:19:35 GMT
More Mofo than Mofi if you ask me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2019 14:54:45 GMT
I have quite a few mofi releases which really do vary in quality from the excellent to the ordinary and this One Step - What's Going On falls somewhere in the middle. The packaging (though one inner sleeve was damaged) is beautiful and worthy of the price but the records themselves though pressed perfectly flat, almost silent and again damaged do not sound nearly as good as the four Miles Davis releases I own which cost a third or less.
How a company whose only reason for being is releasing quality remasters listened to this remaster and thought it worth $125 plus shipping is strange and then to let damaged items past quality control to be sent out to customers is really dissapointing but their reaction to my as a customer is even more dissapointing.
It's something that simply wouldn't happen in other retail companies especially where goods are damaged it's almost always a no quibble cash refund not a partial replacement, it's like buying a damaged pair of shoes and bieng offerd a replacement for just the damaged one. Then to be expected to pay for the returned items to be posted really is taking the piss.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2019 15:47:41 GMT
These re issues are not taken off the master tapes, the Amerex tape was notorious for falling literally to pieces forget the drop out and mould suffered by tape this stuff just did not store well
Most master tapes are gone forever plus the Universal fire destroyed tons of material.
So what are you buying into, a bloody con that stuff is taken from a CD or some surviving original vinyl then fucked with on a mixer etc.
A waste of money trying to sucker in the vinyl revival. I have proved many a time with a reissue, when my originals make them sound like what they are, a copy of a copy. Rather buy the CD at least that is a one generation copy.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2019 22:14:48 GMT
These re issues are not taken off the master tapes, the Amerex tape was notorious for falling literally to pieces forget the drop out and mould suffered by tape this stuff just did not store well Most master tapes are gone forever plus the Universal fire destroyed tons of material. So what are you buying into, a bloody con that stuff is taken from a CD or some surviving original vinyl then fucked with on a mixer etc. A waste of money trying to sucker in the vinyl revival. I have proved many a time with a reissue, when my originals make them sound like what they are, a copy of a copy. Rather buy the CD at least that is a one generation copy. Firstly I'm not a part of any vinyl revival or being conned I've owned a record player constantly since I was about 10 years old. Secondly a remaster from what was originally a bad recording will always be just that but as was the case of of the recent One Step Mofi What's Going On that doesn't mean that it was not taken from the original masters it was, it just means that those original masters where not great in the first place or that they've messed up the remaster for them to claim to have copied from the master but really have copied from a CD would be fraud. Mofi do make remasters from other secondary sources these are from their Silver Series and they are quite open about that. Mofi, Analogue Productions, Classic Records, Music Matters and the recent Tone Poet have all had access to the original masters unless stated otherwise and these can range from ordinary to excellent and in my experience are never better than the originals unless they are remasters of more modern releases these can and often are an improvement over the original. What you are describing as a bloody con is somethimg entirely different modern reissues that are outside of copyright laws and are taken from secondary sources like CD or old vinyl and pressed onto cheap heavyweight vinyl by companies like DOL, DOXY, Waxtime etc these will usually be very cheap and carry a 180 gram vinyl sticker but will never claim because it would be fraudulent to be from the original masters. Why you would buy these if you already own an original 1st press I have no idea. Personally I would always buy an original record unless these are just wildly expensive it is only then and if I really wanted a vinyl copy that I'd buy a remaster and some of these are excellent. I've also bought vinyl taken from digital remasters that are also excellent.
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Post by macca on Nov 30, 2019 22:49:18 GMT
I think that as you didn't report the damage for a long time after you bought the records their offer to replace if you pay the shipping isn't that unfair. If it was me I'd just live with it since you say it doesn't affect the sound. But for the money you'd expect better quality control, totally agree. It should all be perfect.
As to the recording, I have it on CD. I don't know what generation master that was taken from or what state it was in. Production sounds pretty good. Not breathtakingly good but then was the original recording that great to begin with? I don't know for certain because I've no other version to compare but I suspect not. I mean there's only so good anything can sound and that's always limited by the recording if nothing else.
You're comparing to the Miles Davis but that's a different era, different equipment, different way of recording, different music. Plus whatever master they took them from could have been much better condition and/or closer in generations to the original master than the Marvin Gaye.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 0:07:02 GMT
Reading MOFI's T&C they state that they do not offer refunds at all and returns are at the buyers expense so any members thinking of spending large amounts on their products should take that into account.
I have an original 1st press, the Abbey Rd Half Speed and a couple of CD's and though the Mofi One Step is probably the best it's not by a lot and I agree macca the original Motown masters are probably a long way off the quality of the Miles Columbia ones but that does beg the question why use them to produce a remaster to release as your most expensive premium product.
As you say it doesn't affect the sound and I'll have live with it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2019 14:32:51 GMT
Just had an issue with the new Love Over Gold 45 rpm. RTI pressings can be far from perfect but it's normally a rogue copy so a replacement is fine. Quite a few buyers on Hoffman have had issue with one step pressings. So far I have been lucky apart from the odd pop. Outside US you are lucky to get service on faulty product bought from MFSL direct. I'm pretty sure others have reported difficulties. $25 actually does not seem excessive for postage from US and they are not asking you to return the item (and at own cost). Lesson maybe to buy from a local supplier like Diverse Music who will exchange faulty goods and refund return postage. The title you have issues with is actually still available as sales may have been below expectations. BTW if that mark doesn't sound I just wouldn't bother as I only concern myself with audible faults or bad warpage. I think the idea of grading LPs purely on visual is plain stupid. The sleeve marks have been an issue on all the One Step titles up to the latest (BOTT). I think it occurs in printing rather than movement in the box as some assume.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 0:04:17 GMT
Just had an issue with the new Love Over Gold 45 rpm. RTI pressings can be far from perfect but it's normally a rogue copy so a replacement is fine. Quite a few buyers on Hoffman have had issue with one step pressings. So far I have been lucky apart from the odd pop. Outside US you are lucky to get service on faulty product bought from MFSL direct. I'm pretty sure others have reported difficulties. $25 actually does not seem excessive for postage from US and they are not asking you to return the item (and at own cost). Lesson maybe to buy from a local supplier like Diverse Music who will exchange faulty goods and refund return postage. The title you have issues with is actually still available as sales may have been below expectations. BTW if that mark doesn't sound I just wouldn't bother as I only concern myself with audible faults or bad warpage. I think the idea of grading LPs purely on visual is plain stupid. The sleeve marks have been an issue on all the One Step titles up to the latest (BOTT). I think it occurs in printing rather than movement in the box as some assume. Sorry but I have to say your post makes absolutely no sense to me, basically what your saying is stop moaning it's only a mark doesn't affect playback and as for the inner sleeve lots of people have had damaged ones and I'm lucky to even have got a response from MFSL, should be grateful and should pay the return shipping without complaint because it isn't excessive. And what in God's name does it matter that the title is still available 'as sales may have been below expectations'? The point in trying to get an early serial number direct from the company is that less copies would have been pressed from the stamper and so in theory should be better quality and so a relacement of just one copy will not only mean that my set doesn't match numerically (I'll have one record numbered 87 and a replacement numbered somewhere near 2,000) but also quite possibly won't match sonically. Just because you feel lucky to have just the 'odd pop' and are prepared to accept visually impaired products and as you say 'I only concern myself with audible faults or bad warpage' doesn't mean the rest of us should these are not £9.99 DOL pressings they are supposed to be premium products that cost $125 plus shipping.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 0:16:18 GMT
Just had an issue with the new Love Over Gold 45 rpm. RTI pressings can be far from perfect but it's normally a rogue copy so a replacement is fine. Quite a few buyers on Hoffman have had issue with one step pressings. So far I have been lucky apart from the odd pop. Outside US you are lucky to get service on faulty product bought from MFSL direct. I'm pretty sure others have reported difficulties. $25 actually does not seem excessive for postage from US and they are not asking you to return the item (and at own cost). Lesson maybe to buy from a local supplier like Diverse Music who will exchange faulty goods and refund return postage. The title you have issues with is actually still available as sales may have been below expectations. BTW if that mark doesn't sound I just wouldn't bother as I only concern myself with audible faults or bad warpage. I think the idea of grading LPs purely on visual is plain stupid. The sleeve marks have been an issue on all the One Step titles up to the latest (BOTT). I think it occurs in printing rather than movement in the box as some assume. Sorry but I have to say your post makes absolutely no sense to me, basically what your saying is stop moaning it's only a mark doesn't affect playback and as for the inner sleeve lots of people have had damaged ones and I'm lucky to even have got a response from MFSL, should be grateful and should pay the return shipping without complaint because it isn't excessive. And what in God's name does it matter that the title is still available 'as sales may have been below expectations'? The point in trying to get an early serial number direct from the company is that less copies would have been pressed from the stamper and so in theory should be better quality and so a relacement of just one copy will not only mean that my set doesn't match numerically (I'll have one record numbered 87 and a replacement numbered somewhere near 2,000) but also quite possibly won't match sonically. Just because you feel lucky to have just the 'odd pop' and are prepared to accept visually impaired products and as you say 'I only concern myself with audible faults or bad warpage' doesn't mean the rest of us should these are not £9.99 DOL pressings they are supposed to be premium products that cost $125 plus shipping. What I am saying is the problems you report are quite common. Low numbers mean bollocks all because they don't get boxed in the same order as they are pressed. Your expectations of vinyl are unrealistic. If the covers don't arrive bashed and it plays without issue all is fine. The fact that they charge a king's ransom for these pressings does not insure total perfection unfortunately as vinyl is not a 100% perfect medium. The only label that I have found produces perfect product every time is Intervention Records. Probably because Shane the owner is so closely involved at every stage.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2019 20:18:16 GMT
Sorry but I have to say your post makes absolutely no sense to me, basically what your saying is stop moaning it's only a mark doesn't affect playback and as for the inner sleeve lots of people have had damaged ones and I'm lucky to even have got a response from MFSL, should be grateful and should pay the return shipping without complaint because it isn't excessive. And what in God's name does it matter that the title is still available 'as sales may have been below expectations'? The point in trying to get an early serial number direct from the company is that less copies would have been pressed from the stamper and so in theory should be better quality and so a relacement of just one copy will not only mean that my set doesn't match numerically (I'll have one record numbered 87 and a replacement numbered somewhere near 2,000) but also quite possibly won't match sonically. Just because you feel lucky to have just the 'odd pop' and are prepared to accept visually impaired products and as you say 'I only concern myself with audible faults or bad warpage' doesn't mean the rest of us should these are not £9.99 DOL pressings they are supposed to be premium products that cost $125 plus shipping. What I am saying is the problems you report are quite common. Low numbers mean bollocks all because they don't get boxed in the same order as they are pressed. Your expectations of vinyl are unrealistic. If the covers don't arrive bashed and it plays without issue all is fine. The fact that they charge a king's ransom for these pressings does not insure total perfection unfortunately as vinyl is not a 100% perfect medium. The only label that I have found produces perfect product every time is Intervention Records. Probably because Shane the owner is so closely involved at every stage. I simply cannot imagine why you would still buy vinyl if your expectations are so low. Personally in 35 years of continually buying records this experience with MFSL ranks amongst the worst.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 12:19:30 GMT
What I am saying is the problems you report are quite common. Low numbers mean bollocks all because they don't get boxed in the same order as they are pressed. Your expectations of vinyl are unrealistic. If the covers don't arrive bashed and it plays without issue all is fine. The fact that they charge a king's ransom for these pressings does not insure total perfection unfortunately as vinyl is not a 100% perfect medium. The only label that I have found produces perfect product every time is Intervention Records. Probably because Shane the owner is so closely involved at every stage. I simply cannot imagine why you would still buy vinyl if your expectations are so low. Personally in 35 years of continually buying records this experience with MFSL ranks amongst the worst. Blimey! You've been lucky. I've returned loads of faulty vinyl over the years including a good number of MFSL. If I returned every non sounding blemish I would be returning about 80% of discs produced these days. Pressings in the past were far from perfect in my experience, though people who lucked out and somehow got perfect vinyl all through the 1970s seem to be in denial. Also I don't leave any purchases sealed because the chance of there being a fault is just too high. A lot of people bought the one step titles to flip later when the price goes up so if they sell faulty product on and have to refund they don't get any sympathy from genuine audiophiles.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2019 20:26:12 GMT
I simply cannot imagine why you would still buy vinyl if your expectations are so low. Personally in 35 years of continually buying records this experience with MFSL ranks amongst the worst. Blimey! You've been lucky. I've returned loads of faulty vinyl over the years including a good number of MFSL. If I returned every non sounding blemish I would be returning about 80% of discs produced these days. Pressings in the past were far from perfect in my experience, though people who lucked out and somehow got perfect vinyl all through the 1970s seem to be in denial. Also I don't leave any purchases sealed because the chance of there being a fault is just too high. A lot of people bought the one step titles to flip later when the price goes up so if they sell faulty product on and have to refund they don't get any sympathy from genuine audiophiles. I'm not an Audiophile I'm a music lover and anyone who describes themselves as a 'genuine Audiophile' sounds like a genuine nob head to me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 2:55:05 GMT
Blimey! You've been lucky. I've returned loads of faulty vinyl over the years including a good number of MFSL. If I returned every non sounding blemish I would be returning about 80% of discs produced these days. Pressings in the past were far from perfect in my experience, though people who lucked out and somehow got perfect vinyl all through the 1970s seem to be in denial. Also I don't leave any purchases sealed because the chance of there being a fault is just too high. A lot of people bought the one step titles to flip later when the price goes up so if they sell faulty product on and have to refund they don't get any sympathy from genuine audiophiles. I'm not an Audiophile I'm a music lover and anyone who describes themselves as a 'genuine Audiophile' sounds like a genuine nob head to me. I’m a genuine audiophile. I love the kit at least as much as I love the music. I’m no different to a car fanatic who loves the design, build and aesthetics as much as the driving. I set up this forum largely because there was nowhere you could enjoy the passion for the gear, without being thought of as somehow less worthy than a music lover.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 6:55:13 GMT
Who said you where less worthy than a music lover westie. Perhaps I could have made my answer less of a generalisation but I was responding to a particular post from a person who had insinuated in general terms with the statement " A lot of people bought one step titles to flip later when the price goes up so if they sell a faulty product on and have to refund they don't get any sympathy from genuine audiophiles." that I had bought a record to sell on later for profit so I responded also in general terms. "I'm not an Audiophile I'm a music lover and anyone who describes themselves as a 'genuine audiophile' sounds like a genuine nob head to me. It's very easy to insinuate in general terms so that you can deny things later but to me the inference was that I had done something that made me less worthy less 'genuine'. Here's a photo of me opening up the One Step on my birthday because it so expensive for me to buy that I had saved it for a special occasion not to wait until prices had gone up. I had ordered two copies one for someone else who then let me down so I sold it for a £125 I think a week after recieving it when it was still available so hardly profiteering and anyawy what if I was some of us have to buy and sell stuff to be able to afford expensive equipment I did so with most of my Naim gear to be able to afford it does that make me any less genuine. 33b7f09c-c931-42a5-b98e-de787ca3ff29 by
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 8:12:50 GMT
You've got a bloody hairy chin for a bird ! I don't fancy you no more !
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 8:21:28 GMT
Are you a snooker referee?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 10:11:08 GMT
Are you a snooker referee? No I’d just got in from Raving!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 10:17:31 GMT
You've got a bloody hairy chin for a bird ! I don't fancy you no more ! Ha ha! Funnily enough your not the first person to have made that mistake. I’ll save those involved the embarrassment but I’ve had my share of propositions on these forums. My and my Mrs have had a few laughs about it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 10:54:46 GMT
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Post by antonio on Dec 5, 2019 18:27:49 GMT
I'm not an Audiophile I'm a music lover and anyone who describes themselves as a 'genuine Audiophile' sounds like a genuine nob head to me. I’m a genuine audiophile. I love the kit at least as much as I love the music. I’m no different to a car fanatic who loves the design, build and aesthetics as much as the driving. I set up this forum largely because there was nowhere you could enjoy the passion for the gear, without being thought of as somehow less worthy than a music lover. Nob head. Natara made me say it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 18:38:50 GMT
I’m a genuine audiophile. I love the kit at least as much as I love the music. I’m no different to a car fanatic who loves the design, build and aesthetics as much as the driving. I set up this forum largely because there was nowhere you could enjoy the passion for the gear, without being thought of as somehow less worthy than a music lover. Nob head. Natara made me say it. Maybe I should just call myself a gear-freak
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 18:43:14 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 21:21:26 GMT
You've got a bloody hairy chin for a bird ! I don't fancy you no more ! Be more broad-minded. ********* is an ex-squaddie, and **** still fancies 'her'. ADMIN: FFS, haven't we got past this era of talking about members of other forums? No more please.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 23:06:26 GMT
You've got a bloody hairy chin for a bird ! I don't fancy you no more ! Be more broad-minded. ************* an ex-squaddie, and **** still fancies 'her'. Aw bless, Methink it is Poor little dvh that appears to be the one somewhat obsessed with yet another reference out of context. From what I have read and seen on Snake Oil She 'iS' indeed a forty something ex military Officer, not a squaddie! perhaps you are just about smart enough to work out the rank insignia on the image she postedof her on SO taken whilst she was serving in Afghanistan, where are your images ? what were you doing for your country back then other than being a Snidey little man?
ADMIN: Playing the man.........That's a week out for you.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 4:22:49 GMT
You've got a bloody hairy chin for a bird ! I don't fancy you no more ! Be more broad-minded. ************** an ex-squaddie, and **** still fancies 'her'. And yet you are the one who’s always talking about her completely out of context.
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 6, 2019 11:36:17 GMT
Lets get back to discussing the horror of Natara's hideous scratch on his Vinyl. ITS AN OUTRAGE I TELL YA!!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 11:52:39 GMT
Lets get back to discussing the horror of Natara's hideous scratch on his Vinyl. ITS AN OUTRAGE I TELL YA!!!
About time I did wonder "What's going on?".....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 18:18:13 GMT
Lets get back to discussing the horror of Natara's hideous scratch on his Vinyl. ITS AN OUTRAGE I TELL YA!!! Thanks. For all of you who actually want to know 'What's Going On' with the scratch ( and the damaged inner sleeve) I've decided to keep the said items and live with the fact I just spent £125 on a damaged record which apparently is just plain uncool to discuss because it's all just part of being a 'genuine' audiophile. Now can we all please get back to discussing cables please!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 18:35:24 GMT
Didn't catch it on that chin did yer ?
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