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Oct 4, 2019 17:23:31 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2019 17:23:31 GMT
Off to the re launch by the new agents tomorrow afternoon of the Tablette 10 Signature. The Response D2 and The Response D48R.
Some fancy hotel in the trendy part of town, had a dinner party there a good few years back, served the little bits on your plate dressed up like a cheap street tart.
Using the Aqua Acoustics La Scala MKII Optologic DAC and the Bauer Audio DPS 3.5 Turntable, as sources. Pathos Acoustics & Audio Analogue amplification, Sumiko and Cardas cables.
I have seldom come away from a demo without being disappointed, hoping this time it will be one of those exceptions. Will report back.
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Oct 4, 2019 17:40:38 GMT
Post by macca on Oct 4, 2019 17:40:38 GMT
D48R looks pretty capable.
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Oct 4, 2019 18:07:55 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2019 18:07:55 GMT
One speaker brand i have never ever heard
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Oct 4, 2019 19:33:07 GMT
Post by Bigman80 on Oct 4, 2019 19:33:07 GMT
I’ve heard a few. They do a lot right but I think they are a valves and vinyl speaker brand. A Pye Mozart was stunning with a pair of Studio 1s. The same speakers in the end of a Nam 250 sounded like Sh#t. We put a Nad 3020 on straight after and it sounded no worse than the Naim.
I had Super Tablettes with a Rock and Myst Tma3. Sounded good but a valve amp would’ve lifted them. Changed to CD and they were Sh#t.
I’ve owned Super Tablettes, Tablette 50, Tablette 3, Studio 1, Studio 150 and Response 1. I’ve also heard Response 2.5 and Mini Towers. Probably some I’ve forgot.
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Oct 4, 2019 19:43:17 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2019 19:43:17 GMT
Keep taking the Tablettes.
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Oct 4, 2019 19:47:42 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2019 19:47:42 GMT
People claim Sugden amps blend well with ProAc speakers.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2019 6:57:16 GMT
Well back from the demo and here is my take.
Only got the opportunity to hear the Response D2, and the Response D48R. Now to be fair I cannot judge the speakers in a way that would do the justice. Because of the following, the room where the D4 was playing was so full of reflections it would not be fair to judge the speaker. Plus he had them playing on the Pathos Twin Tower hybrid SET solid state Mosfet amp.
The chap was a tad anal to say the least, the speakers are 4 ohm nominal and using this amp it is recommended that 5-6 ohm and above is the ideal. This became obvious when presented with something more complicated, than the usual acoustic and vocal, the speakers went into a flap, tripping all over themselves in the mid and lower bass. When played on the turntable the woofers were pumping like a 14 year old playing with himself. Pumping = distortion plain and simple. The bloke was insistent that this combination gave the best sound.
What I did hear is that the speakers were very good in the mid range, and I felt they had a lot of potential to be a very fine speaker. When I bought my Vandersteens, I heard them on demo, they did not sound particular exciting, but I could hear that they were not bullshitting me, and they had the potential to become a very fine speaker, I was absolutely right, once I got them run in and set up properly, that took some fiddling because they are funny that way they turned out to be tremendous music makers. I feel the same about the ProAc.
Price is a bit steep for a two way tower, beautifully made, but R100,000 in our funny money is a lot to pay R100,000 = 5,400 pounds
The D2. Again with the SET, this time a Unison Research Simply 2 EL34 SET. 13w on a good day p/c. I have no love for SET amps using an EL34 in particular, they are just to compromised, give them something complicated and they fall flat. A EL34 in a push pull done right, are great amps as good as they get. He played some classical with a big smile on his face and it sounded no better in my opinion than a Blue Tooth tube thingy speaker played from a phone.
Again I did hear potential, so all in all if you got the bucks and the will to play around, good speakers.
Foot note: Blokes on the local forum raving, the best sound I have heard to date, blah, blah, blah. Then I must be deaf, totally deluded, wasting my time with this Hi-Fi malarkey, or they have never heard a full range 3 dimensional system, that images like a clout on the head with a cricket bat, a full wide, front, sides, back, and high sound stage, where you can pick out every single instrument playing in it's own space. Okay I know it ain't like live music sounds, but this is Hi-Fi and my preference.
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Oct 6, 2019 7:00:52 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2019 7:00:52 GMT
Said amplifiers, not going into cables, like fine tuning the twin SU's on a Mini Cooper, a thing I enjoyed in my younger years, which now I have little time for. If it sounds good it is good why mess with it.
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Oct 6, 2019 7:16:35 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2019 7:16:35 GMT
The tablets which i never got to hear.
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Oct 6, 2019 8:45:26 GMT
Post by macca on Oct 6, 2019 8:45:26 GMT
Why would he demo them with an amp that is clearly incompatible? Proac state nominal impedance of 4 ohms so they certainly drop lower than that. And the amp is clearly stated as not being suitable for speakers less than 6 ohms. Makes no sense. And then he doesn't even notice that the sound fell apart with anything complex. I mean it isn't even getting past first base.
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Oct 6, 2019 9:04:32 GMT
Post by Bigman80 on Oct 6, 2019 9:04:32 GMT
I started out expecting dealers to know what they were doing. That has long since disappeared. One notable landmark in the shattering of my illusions was the well regarded dealer who shipped me a Rock without emptying the trough. When confronted, he said he was “too busy” and didn’t see what I was complaining about. Tit.
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Oct 6, 2019 10:58:50 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2019 10:58:50 GMT
Why would he demo them with an amp that is clearly incompatible? Proac state nominal impedance of 4 ohms so they certainly drop lower than that. And the amp is clearly stated as not being suitable for speakers less than 6 ohms. Makes no sense. And then he doesn't even notice that the sound fell apart with anything complex. I mean it isn't even getting past first base. How he did not get it that the amps in both cases were totally unsuited can only leave me with the impression that he was an SET nut and there was no shifting him, funny lot SET worshipers. Funny Dude, I have never met him before, he posts waffle on the forum a lot. He has been trying to build his own speakers for some years now, all talk and nothing as yet. My mate with the high end shop who has the same ear as me, says he is a tit, and he often gives him a go on the forum when he talks bollocks. The comments on our local forum; on which I very seldom post, leave me with the impression that there are so many out there who do not have the foggiest idea. And woe betide you if you dare to challenge them. You just have to read the answers when some newbie asks how good is his amp is in comparison to brand X, they crawl out from under their rocks all knowing, totally ignoring the fact that synergy is the most important factor. And who the hell knows or cares, it is up to the newbie to find out what he likes, not what some smart ass on a forum thinks. When I bought my first serious system in the very early 70's, the bloke (old school) turned off all the lights and made me listen for an entire morning not telling me what he was using within my budget, with the music I preferred. And he let me choose without any sales talk. I am great full to that man, now long gone, who taught me the most important thing in this hobby. How do you like to hear your music reproduced. Others opinions be damned. Guess this bloke likes his music that way, and would not recognise distortion even if it bit him between the legs.
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Oct 6, 2019 13:30:53 GMT
Post by macca on Oct 6, 2019 13:30:53 GMT
I've been in similar situations where the sound was not at all good but people were enthusiastic about it. I am very picky about sound quality but then isn't everyone?
There was one system fronted by an RTR and it sounded a bit rough. Not terrible but not great either, yet people were exclaiming out loud at how good it was, and how nothing beat RTR. Wasn't the fault of the tape deck either as it was just as poor from CD. But I think maybe seeing the wonderful RTR they decided there was no way it could sound anything other than fabulous, and then imagination takes care of the rest.
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Dec 1, 2019 3:25:32 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2019 3:25:32 GMT
Subject: Proac Tab 10 opinion here
Copied from another forum, thought it was a good review
They came on Friday, double boxed, and the real box was surprisingly small. Once out, I marveled at how they really are the size of a shoebox. They have the exact dimensions of a LS3/5a 12x7.5x6.25. They are Proacs only model that is a sealed box. I plunked them down on some 26" stands and started out with a smidge of toe-in. Once the music started I was amazed at the wide soundstage these little boogers throw out. The tone is rich but limited. Voices and the midrange is its reason for existing. The treble is okay and depends on the recording. The bass doesn't go much below 80hz and it does not have the BBC bump around 80hz that the "real" LS3/5a has. I think they did this to facilitate sub-woofing.
These speakers are for listening not feeling. The spacious soundstage is awesome and things are often presented in ways you haven't heard before. Depending on your music, you may hear an abundance of drumhead thwaps but be satisfied with bass guitar. These are "personal" speakers best in a "gentlemen's cave" not a man cave. I fell in love with them in an hour and now regret buying the Quad S-2's (which sound really good but lack the soundstage and imaging of the Tab 10).
The Tab 10 does not have a 5" woofer but a 4.5" one. Even in a sealed box, they give a rich tone and acceptable bass (in gentlemen's terms). I know (from experience) you adjust to a new piece of gear. The frequency response is much like my Heresy ONES that I listened to for 17 years. Very limited bass, a lot of drum head thwaps. and a midrange, treble emphasis. (The similarities are amusing when one wielded a 12" woofer while the other uses a 4.5" midwoof.)
If you do the Brit (non-American thing) and have a small room, share a wall, or have downstairs neighbors, these things are perfect. An American, with an extra bedroom, would do well for these to be in a personal listening room for both the man and lady of the house.
A specialized speaker for special purposes, not a party-throwers delight, and not a cheap trinket. It's a lifetime partner for those quiet, pensive moments.
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Dec 2, 2019 20:09:37 GMT
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Post by sq225917 on Dec 2, 2019 20:09:37 GMT
Proac the least 'pushed brand on the market.
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