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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 6:41:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 7:10:56 GMT
That's more money than a lot of people spend on their entire system. Mind you, it's also less than some lay out on a posh MC cart!  |
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Post by macca on Sept 30, 2019 7:24:43 GMT
I like the looks but no passive needs to cost that sort of money.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 7:41:06 GMT
Its the Seidens switches and SA that have bumped the cost up a bit but I agree, very pricey.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 7:41:52 GMT
That's more money than a lot of people spend on their entire system. Mind you, it's also less than some lay out on a posh MC cart! You're right Geoff. That's a statement Preamp, a statement of wealth lol |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 7:43:12 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 7:52:36 GMT
Thats taking the pi55. I know the switches are expensive, and there is some skilled soldering to build them, but its a grand tops, even in the nice box. Its not like there's much to go wrong and cause a warranty claim.. There's bugger all R&D to cover either
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 8:34:31 GMT
Thats taking the pi55. I know the switches are expensive, and there is some skilled soldering to build them, but its a grand tops, even in the nice box. Its not like there's much to go wrong and cause a warranty claim.. There's bugger all R&D to cover either To a degree, yes but if you look at the chassis etc, it's not off the shelf stuff. It looks like its custom made and even the gold anodizing/plating wont be cheap. Silver wiring looks to be about 1mm so it's not the cheap stuff either.
Silk screening, Plus the time it takes to put it together and to be honest, it isn't way off whats to be expected. Id suggest that it costs £1.5k to make that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 10:15:14 GMT
Thats taking the pi55. I know the switches are expensive, and there is some skilled soldering to build them, but its a grand tops, even in the nice box. Its not like there's much to go wrong and cause a warranty claim.. There's bugger all R&D to cover either To a degree, yes but if you look at the chassis etc, it's not off the shelf stuff. It looks like its custom made and even the gold anodizing/plating wont be cheap. Silver wiring looks to be about 1mm so it's not the cheap stuff either.
Silk screening, Plus the time it takes to put it together and to be honest, it isn't way off whats to be expected. Id suggest that it costs £1.5k to make that.
When you come down to it, its still just a pot-in-a-box. £2K+ for a pot in a box, hmm... that's a lot of music |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 11:23:01 GMT
To a degree, yes but if you look at the chassis etc, it's not off the shelf stuff. It looks like its custom made and even the gold anodizing/plating wont be cheap. Silver wiring looks to be about 1mm so it's not the cheap stuff either.
Silk screening, Plus the time it takes to put it together and to be honest, it isn't way off whats to be expected. Id suggest that it costs £1.5k to make that.
When you come down to it, its still just a pot-in-a-box. £2K+ for a pot in a box, hmm... that's a lot of music Oh, absolutely. I could make one for half that price. Wouldn't be as pretty but wouldn't sound any different. |
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Post by sq225917 on Sept 30, 2019 18:28:36 GMT
The case work is nothing, couple of bits of bent metal and some side cheeks. Let's be generous and say 600 quid parts cost. Soldering that switch up is a big task, that's not pick and place. I reckon theres ten hours of assembly time in that case.
So reasonably under 1000 real cost.
The markup ain't all that high. Hes probably doubling up. Assuming its dealer sold and not direct it's actually decent money.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 19:26:46 GMT
The case work is nothing, couple of bits of bent metal and some side cheeks. Let's be generous and say 600 quid parts cost. Soldering that switch up is a big task, that's not pick and place. I reckon theres ten hours of assembly time in that case. So reasonably under 1000 real cost. The markup ain't all that high. Hes probably doubling up. Assuming its dealer sold and not direct it's actually decent money. I believe its a direct sale but still don't think its a bad markup. I've seen worse lol |
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Post by sq225917 on Oct 1, 2019 18:12:29 GMT
Usual retail is 10x raw parts cost. Less at the low end, much more at the high.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2019 19:54:50 GMT
Usual retail is 10x raw parts cost. Less at the low end, much more at the high. Holy Sh#t. That's madness. £3.5k for a BigBottle phonostage lol £6k for the DCB1 I am in the wrong game lol |
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Post by macca on Oct 2, 2019 12:28:01 GMT
10 times is only if you have all the overheads of a proper company. And the bulk cost savings. So parts cost is a lot less so the ten times is from a much lower baseline than a cottage industry paying top whack for components.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2019 12:53:10 GMT
10 times is only if you have all the overheads of a proper company. And the bulk cost savings. So parts cost is a lot less so the ten times is from a much lower baseline than a cottage industry paying top whack for components. Ah, that's an excellent point. |
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Post by sq225917 on Oct 2, 2019 17:23:55 GMT
Tell me about it, at today's Mouser pricing, and Tx resistor cost, parts for a Paradise are 55% of the final price. That leaves less than £10ph for build and delivery.
Who'd be a maker?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2019 17:54:31 GMT
Tell me about it, at today's Mouser pricing, and Tx resistor cost, parts for a Paradise are 55% of the final price. That leaves less than £10ph for build and delivery. Who'd be a maker? Building or making must be a passion or no one would do it. |
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Post by antonio on Oct 2, 2019 18:02:08 GMT
Usual retail is 10x raw parts cost. Less at the low end, much more at the high. How have you come up with this figure? |
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Post by sq225917 on Oct 3, 2019 16:17:32 GMT
Bu building a bill of materials for some popular bits of kit over the years and totting up the price. It's a rough estimate for high volume mainstream brands. It not set in stone.
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