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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 15:56:11 GMT
Neurochrome 686
I have had my 686 for about 6 weeks now and feel I have heard It enough to start putting into words, not only my perception of it’s performance but also the effect it’s had on my system.
Being a staunch fan of my Pioneer speakers and regularly receiving nothing but praise for them (rightly so) from the folk who visit here, What I have to say here may come as something of a surprise. You see, what happens from time to time is you audition a piece of kit and you hear the improvement it makes in that particular area. If it’s significant enough, you may even be tempted to splash the cash and buy one. But what happens when you introduce something that improves everything you already have? What do you do when a piece of kit changes the game. I‘ll try and explain it.
Rewind 6 months and I am the proud owner of one of the most respected amplifiers in the HiFi realm, the Krell KSA100MK2. I am relishing it in all it’s glory. Stunningly powerful, excellent clarity and tone and dynamic swing that would register on the Richter scale. However, my interest had already been piqued by an usurper, a younger model……
Unfortunately, at the prices we are facing for these bits of kit meant I faced the horrible decision of whether to gamble. Sell the Krell to buy the 686 or stick with the Krell. I remained 50/50 for months only for the decision to be made for me. Knowing that one of our members was having issues with his Krell 50, I decided that now was the time to start the merry go round. He bought my Krell, I bought a 686.
Talking to Tom Christiensen (One man band that is ‘Neurochrome’) was done via email. As he is based in Canada the time difference looked like it may be a slow affair but no, Tom replied very swiftly which left me wondering if he ever slept?
I inquired about the 686 as a DIY project, which is how these products of his are sold. He also has the 86 & 286 which I also considered. Obviously, being me, I went with the biggest (in terms of watts)
Quite by chance, it turned out that Tom had a fully built 686 that he had taken to the Burning amp festival for demo purposes and offered me the amplifier rather than having to build it. Price was pretty much what i’d have to spend on building my own, so I snapped it up.
So here's the first thing to lay out for anyone considering buying one of these. Request DHL as the form of transport and pay the extra £30. Parcelfarce (oops) literally kept me waiting weeks after they couldn’t figure out the charges on the box. A friend of mine has bought one too, his came via DHL as Tom recommends, and it was here 3 days later. It’s worth paying the extra.
I don’t know what I expected to see when I opened the box. I had seen pictures of the very amplifier I had ordered but somehow I was completely underwhelmed by the optics of it. It was a surreal moment in which I wondered if I had done the right thing, after all, the Krell may have looked industrial to some but the build quality couldn't be questioned!
The first hurdle to using this amplifier was to get the Speakon connections changed on the back. I’d like to say I did this myself but I didn’t. Straight over to Firebottle’s abode for his expertise. Do it right, do it once. When we took the lid off, we were greeted with a nasty surprise. Parcelfarce had managed to treat the amplifier so badly that the cages in which the 2x SMPS sit, were contorted to the side and were leaning on the PCB. I am only guessing but if I had of switched the amp on before we found this, it may have shorted the board. So lucky that I didnt! Within an hour, Alan had used his skills to refit the SMPS’s and get the speakons changed to some very nice Gold plated copper EIZZ speaker terminals.
Alan hooked up the amp to his little test system and we listened to the tuner he has............ He said “oh, that doesnt sound great”
Alan's comment hit my guts…….what have I done!
I laughed it off, “surely youre not judging it on this system with the speakers missing a tweeer” I replied.
Off to his main rig. Bigboy Lenco 75, KIN preamp and Quad ESL57’s.
I can’t remember what track Alan put on because I couldn’t believe what I was hearing. For the first time ever, his 57’s made sense to me. They were cohesive and extremely transparent in the mids. It was a real ‘moment’ the kind that disolves any fear or concern you may have initially felt.
I looked at Alan, he looked at me and no words were said. Not a single comment. We played “Nublado” and it was stunningly good. So much space and the precision of the soundstage was beyond anything I had heard before. I had to get this home and see how it sounded there.
I knew at that moment that Alan would have to get one based on the few tracks we played and I was right. He now has a 286.
Rather than talk about how things sound great and blah blah blah, now it’s been in place for a small period of time, I think the best thing is to talk about the effect its had overall.
The first thing that hit me when I arrived home was how Macca had been quite right with his assessment of the Pioneer CS-77A speakers. In comparison to the 57’s I had heard at Alan’s house, they were guilty of a mid bass hump. Now, you may be wondering why I hadn’t noticed that before, especially as i’m over there all the time lol.
Well, I hate to say this but I don’t believe the differences have been laid out as obviously as they were with the 686. With the 686 it was laid bare for all to hear. It was....undeniable.
Next up, I noticed that actually, the speakers weren’t sounding perfectly central. Almost like i’d gone a little deaf in my right ear? I played about with the speaker positions and eventually set them up properly. Once in place, it was as though the end of my room grew in size and extended further back. Still concerned about the mid bass hump, I investigated the manual. Turns out that if I turned the super tweeter on, it should flatten the response. I did it and yes, it worked rather well. The mids now sound far better, to me anyway. Note to self, always find the manual and read it!
A few days later Alan came round and we played Nublado again. It’s becoming a bit of a perfect track for assessing kit TBH. I can say with hand on heart honesty that I have never heard anything sound so good. I wont lie, I was absolutely buzzing.
A few days passed and Phonomac was visiting, we installed the newly Plinthed SP10 (32mm Panzer) and he left me to put the arm back. Again, when I dialed the arm in, I heard every little change in tone & balance as I adjusted the azimuth and VTA. I have experienced this before but not to this degree. The vinyl sounds beyond anything i could ever have imagined I would hear in my own home.
The 686 has allowed me to fine tune my system by ear to a higher degree of performance. I am pretty sure that in terms of compliments, they dont get much better than that.
Truth is, the amplifier is of the highest standard. Its utterly transparent, incredibly well balanced and allows you to simply hear everything that your source can provide. I have literally made fine adjustments to my system that I just couldn’t hear before. It’s that good. Don't mistake my transparency comments as "analytical" because beneath all of the wonder of the amplifiers transparency, lies a musical being. fluid and organic. It also hits your gut too, dynamics are dramatic and then out of nowhere, the subtlety catches you out. It's quite superb and unlike anything I have had here.
End game amplifiers are a thing worth chasing and this one shows exactly why.
Forget Valves Vs Solid State and all that nonsense. This is simply amplification done right.
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Post by dsjr on Sept 23, 2019 16:07:07 GMT
I believe dacs are at this level now too, but ymmv on this one...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 16:15:17 GMT
I believe dacs are at this level now too, but ymmv on this one... Strangely enough, I was playing music via the Allo Boss earlier on the new speakers and I must admit, it sounded like it was the weak link in the chain. I think i'll probably do some selling and snap up an Pecan Pi.
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Post by antonio on Sept 23, 2019 17:28:19 GMT
Is the Allo Boss top of the line in the Pi range, I keep reading about new upgrades coming out all the time. Reading might be a slight exaggeration, but you know what I mean. You can always get yourself over to Grimsby, we'd love to hear it with the Estelons, oh and a pretty good streamer. Anyway pleased you're enjoying it and you manage to sort the issues out with your new MS speakers.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2019 18:49:08 GMT
Is the Allo Boss top of the line in the Pi range, I keep reading about new upgrades coming out all the time. Reading might be a slight exaggeration, but you know what I mean. You can always get yourself over to Grimsby, we'd love to hear it with the Estelons, oh and a pretty good streamer. Anyway pleased you're enjoying it and you manage to sort the issues out with your new MS speakers. No, the boss is entry level but a huge over achiever. The Katana is up there too but the Ian Canada stuff is supposed to be cream of the crop. I've heard the Katana and the Pecan Pi. In my system now, I'm inclined to believe the Pecan Pi would be unbelievably good so probably the way I'll go for here. I have no vinyl ATM after selling my BigBottle to Mikeyb. You know how things don't come back when people hear them? Lol.
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Post by dsjr on Sept 24, 2019 12:57:06 GMT
Well yer better get cracking with the soldering station then
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 13:06:12 GMT
Well yer better get cracking with the soldering station then I've got no PCB's Dave lol.
The current MM/MC has gone well but Alan realised there was potential to remove a couple of caps and a couple of resistors with a few tweaks so the PCB is undergoing another revision.
I have built 4 now, and all four are out in the world. Must be doing ok as none have come back or been up for sale lmao
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Post by dsjr on Sept 24, 2019 14:22:55 GMT
I got a cheap Linn Lk1 if you want a backup MM/MC phono stage for a ton or so...
The masochist in me was looking for a non-runner Kairn with blown Brilliant supply and leaky battery to have a go at (I missed one at the weekend which went for £266 or so) and I wanted to try one in the main system away from a Linn system...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 15:54:01 GMT
I got a cheap Linn Lk1 if you want a backup MM/MC phono stage for a ton or so... The masochist in me was looking for a non-runner Kairn with blown Brilliant supply and leaky battery to have a go at (I missed one at the weekend which went for £266 or so) and I wanted to try one in the main system away from a Linn system... Thanks Dave,
I have an old Rotel on duty at the minute but its listenable. Also have a Valab LCR MK2 here that I should be evaluating lol
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Post by sq225917 on Sept 24, 2019 16:53:28 GMT
Awesome to hear that it's hit the spot. If you can make it down on the 20th you can hear mine into my yams and Paul's into his subbed 989s, that's a real eye opener.
Are you up for pre amp suggestions?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 17:17:51 GMT
Awesome to hear that it's hit the spot. If you can make it down on the 20th you can hear mine into my yams and Paul's into his subbed 989s, that's a real eye opener. Are you up for pre amp suggestions? Of course!
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Post by sq225917 on Sept 24, 2019 19:45:50 GMT
Bruno putzeys balanced pre, if you have at least one balanced source. Build one with a decent switched pot, goldpoint 10k 47 position or tkd would be my choice
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 19:50:59 GMT
Bruno putzeys balanced pre, if you have at least one balanced source. Build one with a decent switched pot, goldpoint 10k 47 position or tkd would be my choice Not the khozmo?
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Post by sq225917 on Sept 25, 2019 17:05:08 GMT
Not until I can make it silent
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 10:15:53 GMT
Just a minor update.
Having been alerted to the whereabouts of a little known and far too quickly discontinued (due to lack of sales) Preamp made by Neurochrome, I have been in touch with the owner who has very generously offered to sell the preamp to me.
The price has been negotiated and agreed and I am now awaiting a decision as to whether its on sale or return as the owner is concerned I may not like it and wants to offer the opportunity or return. What a lovely place the HiFi community can be, when it wants to be.
I have some pics of it and will post them a bit later.
If the amplifier is a marker of the designers overall ability to make utterly stunner audio equipment, I think this preamp could put the position of the DCB1 under threat.
Only time will tell. As always, it needs a bit of the BigBottle treatment as it's got a motorised Alps Blue (yuk)
It'll need the Khozmo to give it a fair chance. But I'm excited by this and after talki g to Tom, he informs me that theres a buffer board coming out in December which he suggests will be even better than this and the DCB1.
Have I found my next experiment? I think I probably have lol.
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Post by antonio on Oct 7, 2019 10:24:30 GMT
We await in anticipation.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 10:31:28 GMT
We await in anticipation. I know I'm probably boring as sin but someone, somewhere may just find it helpful. 😂
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 13:59:47 GMT
We await in anticipation. for a cheap DCB1 to come on the market....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 16:39:11 GMT
We await in anticipation. for a cheap DCB1 to come on the market.... Won't be cheap! Lol
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Post by macca on Oct 7, 2019 17:13:21 GMT
We await in anticipation. for a cheap DCB1 to come on the market.... Cost of parts in mine was £75. That's pretty cheap.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 18:46:52 GMT
for a cheap DCB1 to come on the market.... Cost of parts in mine was £75. That's pretty cheap. Who told you that? The chassis was £80 on its own lol
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 18:54:41 GMT
I costed one the other day for a quote. Same spec as mine:
DCB1 pcb with full Kit - £135 AN Tantalum resistors - £40 Obbligato capacitors - £35 Matched Semiconductors - £25 Replacement Vishay PSU caps - £40 mur860 x4 - £10 Khozmo - £130 Elma switch - £50 Spotfire wire - £30 RCAs x8 - £50 Toroidy, TF - £70 Heat sink - £10 Chassis - £130 Extender bars - £15 Power Button - £12 Silver solder - £10
That's just parts, no labour
Bloke nearly poo'd when I told him the cost lol
Nearly £800 on parts alone. Then there's all the time it takes. When I offered this at £500the other day, no one sniffed. It's a £5k spend minimum to match this in a shop bought item imo.
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Post by macca on Oct 7, 2019 20:36:50 GMT
Cost of parts in mine was £75. That's pretty cheap. Who told you that? The chassis was £80 on its own lol Steve who I got it off. He said I only want the cost of the parts, seventy five squid. At least that's my recollection.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2019 20:40:57 GMT
Who told you that? The chassis was £80 on its own lol Steve who I got it off. He said I only want the cost of the parts, seventy five squid. At least that's my recollection. Well, I'd suggest he's told you a porky there. He's a good guy though I know that build and the Khozmo was at least £100. I know he bought 4 at once so maybe got a deal but there's no way it was £75 for the lot lol
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Post by macca on Oct 7, 2019 20:53:57 GMT
Maybe I'm mistaken then, it was awhile ago now.
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