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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2019 12:29:32 GMT
I dont think a lot of people know..
Mine is to create a near accurate sound of Analogue via Digital. Obviously without the issues of Analogue
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2019 13:16:34 GMT
Simply to enjoy any kind of music reproduced well, because my tastes cover a wide spectrum. Also I do not want to listen to the system per se, and then start pulling it apart. With some systems you are left with no choice, they are so pernickety.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2019 13:22:35 GMT
What i mean by the above & something that might seem odd. But listening to the albums i listen to from the late 60's/early 70's sound different on CD than they do on a vinyl which in short give my a slightly different feel to the albums..
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 13, 2019 14:10:56 GMT
I have a few.
First is to get a sound that moves and stimulates me. I have that on both formats, so for the first time in my life, that bit is sorted.
The second part is the chase, I enjoy buying bargains, especially rare stuff. I also like refurbing unloved kit. At one time the two were linked in that I bought stuff to try in my main system but that’s not the case anymore. I really buy out of habit these days, but I do like seeing stuff improved and I also love selling something on for more than I paid one I’ve had a play.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2019 14:11:42 GMT
I wanted a system that could convince me that I was listening to real instruments, but this was misguided, as it's actually very easy to get that. The trick is to get the system to trick you or convince you its real and be lost in its immersive sound, whilst it reveal the intricacies of the recording, remaining neutral/transparent as well.
That might not make a lot of sense to folks but I know what I mean.
I didn't care how I got there. Solid state, digital, valves, analogue or a combo of all three. I do finally feel as though I am right on the cusp of landing on the target though, which considering how many pieces of kit I have been through, is somewhat of a relief lol.
It may even be as small a change as a set of caps in the DCB1 PSU. Mad isn't it that the fine details are where the margins lie.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2019 14:51:37 GMT
Many chase unreachable and unaffordable ultimates for years. Eventually the sensible ones get the message and realise that while you may find better or preferable, there's no 'best' of any kind of gear.
Hi-fi at any price level is a compromise.
Get what you like the sound of and can afford and build your own where you can, if you can.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2019 15:12:20 GMT
You go down the route that most everyone has for years, Even the silly phase from the late 70's/early 80's that for some strange reason people will not drop & still continue to follow even to this day. You aint gonna get no where.
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Post by macca on Sept 13, 2019 21:14:11 GMT
I always had an idea of what I wanted in terms of the quality and presentation. I think that came from 2 systems I heard when I was a teenager. Mates dad's JVC/JBL system and a system in Beaver Radio, Liverpool, that some young yuppie couple were auditioning (I was just hanging round at the back hoping not to be noticed). Can't recall the electronics but the speakers were the big B&W Matrix floortstanders that were new out at the time.
But I had no money and just had to get what I could afford. Ollie might think he has gone through a lot of changes, but in those days I would do as many changes as he has done in total in about 6 months. The difference was his system was improving with each change whereas mine was just going round in circles.
I ended up with Linn LK1/LK100 and Celestion A2 speakers which I had for a long time, about a decade, and which was a competent system by any parameters, but I knew there was better to be had quality wise and the presentation was not exactly what I was after either. So I joined a forum (AoS) to try and get some ideas and started box-swapping again.
It was only then I realised there was a shitload of hi-fi information on the internet so I started learning about how it all worked and over a couple of years I changed my perspective on the whole thing a bit. I started to get an idea of where to spend what money there was more effectively and not waste it on tat.
When I realised I was approaching fifty and still didn't have what I wanted after 30 years I thought 'F#ck that' and decided I was going to get there even if it broke me. But partly by accident, partly by design I got there and it didn't cost that much in the end.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2019 21:18:06 GMT
The question i put forward is how do you know what sound you want?
Mine was based on a school friend dadss system at the time. He was heavily into it. I wanted a system to portray my music in that way. Memory is an amazing thing how it remembers sounds like it does.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2019 21:23:00 GMT
Andre, What was the best system you ever had/heard?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2019 21:36:22 GMT
I achieved my main goal early. My first proper Hi-Fi speakers were Tannoys. I heard some when I got interested in audio and was sold on their sound and lusted after some. Bought a brand new set of 10" IIILZ Golds about 1971 and I've been using various Tannoys more or less ever since. On my 22nd pair now! Something new is afoot though. I'll be keeping a smaller set of Tannoys, but I'll be building something rather different soon.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 14:21:52 GMT
My goal in HiFi? I don’t have one.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 14:33:55 GMT
Andre, What was the best system you ever had/heard? S. The very first one i bought. Crazy it may seem but as i upgraded to more expensive stuff the magic disappeared along with my hard earned Cutter
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 14:57:08 GMT
And was it vinyl or digital ?
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Post by antonio on Sept 14, 2019 15:06:43 GMT
Never thought about 'goals' in hifi. I've always wanted something that I can listen to, with no fatigue and yet excites me. Upgrades, in my opinion should give extra detail/info.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 15:30:20 GMT
And was it vinyl or digital ? You know you want me to say Vinyl. Well seen as it was pre CD Vinyl. But i was new to Hi-Fi then & did not have any issues with anything back then unlike today.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 15:31:31 GMT
I would have thought buying equipment now & then has to be a logical goal somewhere!
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Post by antonio on Sept 14, 2019 16:26:43 GMT
I would have thought buying equipment now & then has to be a logical goal somewhere! I thought that went without saying.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 17:15:03 GMT
It does so im assuming cagyh does not buy any Hi-Fi!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 19:16:03 GMT
So your favourite ever system was vinyl. Ok.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 19:33:39 GMT
So your favourite ever system was vinyl. Ok. Clearly Sh#t stirring Mr Engine. Dont not twist it. Not because it was vinyl but becaue the system asa whole intergrated very well, something i lost when apparently upgrading.. Yeh i did love vinyl cos it was imperative to me being a rare record collector.. Ii disliked CD players when they first came out even though i had two of the best players at the time. Vinyl was on & off with me when CD players started sounding better & Prog stuff started appearing on CD, But CD never sounded right compared to the Records i once had, but in reality i was missing the records & sleeves. Ive explained in another thread why the Whole Vinyl thing collapsed with me. Enter lossless files that gives me a closer sound the what i want albums to sound like without the hassle of Vinyl & a chance to dump CD that i have always hated..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 20:41:39 GMT
It does so im assuming cagyh does not buy any Hi-Fi! Not bought any for a while. I have not felt the need. Last thing I bought was a vintage AT cartridge, but they are pretty much consumables.
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Post by nonuffin on Sept 14, 2019 20:52:05 GMT
After almost 40 years I have finally lost the urge to seek out something better than the system I have now, even though it is still out there to be found. In many ways it is not high end or indeed with a lofty price tag attached but for me it has reached the true benchmark I am contented with. It does not offend me at all, nor does it have any obvious deficiencies to be addressed, so there is no imperative to find something "better".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 21:40:12 GMT
I dont think a lot of people know.. Mine is to create a near accurate sound of Analogue via Digital. Obviously without the issues of Analogue I think mine is a probably doomed attempt to recapture the excitement of hearing music through a (sort of) 'proper' hifi in my early 20s. I say 'doomed' because my ears are a lot older now, so I'll never be able to hear what I heard then, however good the system.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 21:43:16 GMT
Our hearing does degrade as we get older. Brutal honesty.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2019 3:07:10 GMT
Our hearing does degrade as we get older. Brutal honesty. S. There is no doubt about that. My appreciation of music I hope will never go away, even I happen to go deaf, I will still be able to hear it in my head. I gave up looking for the perfect system, and or medium long ago. Now it is simply about being able to sit down and enjoy the music; from whatever source that music happens to be stored on, using a system that does not induce listener fatigue. The day may well come when I will have to give up my kit, and move into an old age home. If I am then stuck only with a boom box and some headphones then so be it.
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 15, 2019 7:23:27 GMT
What gets me is the sight of an old dude with massive tufts of hair blocking his lug holes. Makes me feel sick as well as wondering how he can hear anything.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2019 7:47:53 GMT
Had a math's teacher in high school who had a forest growing out his ears. He was insane. He beat the boy sitting opposite me one morning on the back with his cane, till it broke into little pieces. I sat there thinking poor Trevor is getting a beating because the date on his homework is wrong, what is this lunatic going to do to me, I haven't even done the homework.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2019 8:10:49 GMT
I always had an idea of what I wanted in terms of the quality and presentation. I think that came from 2 systems I heard when I was a teenager. Mates dad's JVC/JBL system and a system in Beaver Radio, Liverpool, that some young yuppie couple were auditioning (I was just hanging round at the back hoping not to be noticed). Can't recall the electronics but the speakers were the big B&W Matrix floortstanders that were new out at the time. But I had no money and just had to get what I could afford. Ollie might think he has gone through a lot of changes, but in those days I would do as many changes as he has done in total in about 6 months. The difference was his system was improving with each change whereas mine was just going round in circles. I ended up with Linn LK1/LK100 and Celestion A2 speakers which I had for a long time, about a decade, and which was a competent system by any parameters, but I knew there was better to be had quality wise and the presentation was not exactly what I was after either. So I joined a forum (AoS) to try and get some ideas and started box-swapping again. It was only then I realised there was a shitload of hi-fi information on the internet so I started learning about how it all worked and over a couple of years I changed my perspective on the whole thing a bit. I started to get an idea of where to spend what money there was more effectively and not waste it on tat. When I realised I was approaching fifty and still didn't have what I wanted after 30 years I thought 'F#ck that' and decided I was going to get there even if it broke me. But partly by accident, partly by design I got there and it didn't cost that much in the end. Sometimes you need a bit of luck too. I've been very lucky to have two very clued up guys to help me be brave and pick pieces that others can't. I mean, how many people have their thoughts on how sound should be delivered, then get it designed into their own custom built phonostage? Alan suggested the DCB1 to me when I expressed a lack of drive from my passive was annoying. It just happened that a built up pcb was for sale. We converted it into a preamp and that was the beginning of knowing what pre I would use. Your Krell at the bake off blew me away. I had to have one and I knewnit was the way forward. Simons Neurochrome ticked all of the boxes from reading and I took a blind punt, selling the best amplifier I'd ever hear (Krell) to fund it. The best way in this hobby to get what you want, is to go out and audition as much as you can. Then listen to people who talk sense. That's all I did. As I say, I've been very lucky and I am very grateful to those that have helped me out. Now, If I can sort my capacitors out, I'll be set.
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Post by macca on Sept 15, 2019 10:21:30 GMT
Luck does play a part but I've had so much kit over the years the law of averages says I was going to strike gold at some point. Or at least what I think is gold.
For the first 20 years there was no internet, just the mags which mostly talk the same old bollox. Lots of bollox on the internet too but also a lot of good info. More importantly makes it easy to network, meet up with people, hear their systems, get an idea of what is possible and what does what. And people who really know their stuff - like phonomac for example - are easily accessible.
As log as you're discerning about what things you believe are correct that makes the whole process a lot easier. Never been a better time to be getting into hi-fi I reckon.
I'm probably a bit of a slow kid but for me I reckon the biggest realisation was that it is just electricity, not 'music' or a 'music signal' that is travelling down the wires and through the boxes. When you start thinking about it in those terms it's easier to see what makes sense and what doesn't.
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