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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 19:22:11 GMT
Can remember around 20 years ago popping into Uxbridge Audio with my Dad. At the time he was purchasing a Rega Elys cartridge. Was left wondering around the shop and just admiring their products.
Then I enter in their demo room. They had a full blown flagship-tier Linn active system. The Speakers would have been the Linn Keltik. I was only a young short lad, and through my eyes those Keltik's looked huge and awesome. For some reason I was attracted to their elliptical shaped bass units. If the Keltik's never had elliptical bass drivers and instead had round ones. I'd have just ignored them.
Some memories never die.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 19:50:51 GMT
As you are only a young un you wont remember proper Hi-Fi shops
Beginning of the 80's i got a job in a Record shop, I used to nip up the road to Moorgate Acoustics, Westgate Chambers, Rotherham.. They used to have a giant corner window full of Used PX gear. I was not into Specialised Hi-Fi by this time but was into music. One saturday there before my eyes was a loverly JA. Michell 'Focus One' Turntable with Hadckock uni-pivot & Nagaoka 'MP11' Had to have it. Inside i goes, never been in such a place like it, Like an aladdins cave of British Equipment, Spotted this A&R Cambridge 'A60' Amplifier on the shelf new. I knew then i wanted one but could not afford it if i bought the Michell but being PX there would be a chance it would be sold by Monday.. To cut a long story short, i got the amp a month later, followed by a pair of Heybrook 'HB-1' speakers..
Time went by, better job, more money, swapping & changing Hi-Fi more often than i did mi Undies..
btw. I still kept that Michell deck all the way up to last year.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 20:21:07 GMT
Well I'm 30 years old now. So I'm not that young anymore Also have fund memories of visiting Walrus Systems in London, back in 2003. Anyway, nice write-up, Andre. S.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 20:39:07 GMT
Too young to know a proper Hi-Fi shop. Im talking five years before you were born
Late 70's/Early 80's were the best time for Audio
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Post by dsjr on Aug 28, 2019 21:03:48 GMT
Oh crap I'm old...
Early 70's there was a HiFi store in Watford before KJ got going (Hammonds?). Big dem room with rows of speakers (KEF I remember the silvery grilles), Quad amps and Sony TTS3000 and Thorens TD125 decks. The radio was playing (radio 3 of course...) and I remember how realistic the announcer sounded.. A year or two later, I visited KJ there and heard the JBL L200's and big IMF's for the first time, not realising I'd be working there not long after.
Early to mid 70's were the best years for me, before the Japanese started cheapening some of their gear, when decent speakers were BIG and before Linn and Naim got their collective mitts on our necks and strangled us into submission (I'm still grateful for the tune dem though and practise it to this day on all the music I hear, live or reproduced).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 21:33:28 GMT
Maybe, but I'm older.
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 28, 2019 22:07:05 GMT
Good thread, this: My best memories are living in York, just yards from Vockers Hifi and The Sound Organisation. The latter was like a magnet to me and it has influenced my buying for life. Naim and Exposure amps, Xerxes turntables, ES14s, Isobariks, Onix amps and The Claymore. All expereinced there.
Other notables were Neat Hifi in Darlington. First heard Petites before they launched and was offered a pair at £179. As good as they sounded I thought I’d never get my money back from an unknown brand lol. Too many memories of stuff both bought and heard from there to recount.
An amazing dem for me was the Voyd Reference with Helius Orion through Audio Innovations 500 into Snell J. Amazing sound which I will never forget. It bristled with life.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 22:14:54 GMT
£179 for Petites........F#ck! It's all Malcolm's fault, lol.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 22:25:08 GMT
Going even more back in time to the 90's.
My Dad used to take me along whenever he went to Musical Images in Houslow. Lovely shop! They sold many KEF Reference models. Once I saw a pair of used black Naim SBL's there. Back then I had no clue. But thought what strange looking speakers with those foam grills on.
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 28, 2019 23:57:14 GMT
£179 for Petites........F#ck! It's all Malcolm's fault, lol. S. About 3 months later Malcolm re jeered them at £525. I was gutted.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2019 0:00:50 GMT
The bloody bastard S.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2019 6:26:58 GMT
Going even more back in time to the 90's. My Dad used to take me along whenever he went to Musical Images in Houslow. Lovely shop! They sold many KEF Reference models. Once I saw a pair of used black Naim SBL's there. Back then I had no clue. But thought what strange looking speakers with those foam grills on. S. Wasn't that impressed with Musical Images. Each time I went in there, I thought they knew little about what they were selling and were just interested in quick turnover.
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Post by antonio on Aug 29, 2019 6:53:01 GMT
My memories are really of the likes of Comet and their warehouse type selling. I do remember going into the local shop, having banks of speakers and using one of those switches so you could hear any pair you wanted. My first real amp was the A & R A60, purchased in Sheffield.
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Post by macca on Aug 29, 2019 7:22:29 GMT
My memories are really of the likes of Comet and their warehouse type selling. I do remember going into the local shop, having banks of speakers and using one of those switches so you could hear any pair you wanted. That reminds me of Beaver Radio in Liverpool. One massive long wall full of speakers and amps hooked up to a comparator. Except of course for the amp and speakers I wanted to dem which weren't.
Richer Sounds circa 1988 - Japanese bin-end stacked literally up to the roof. Champagne gold Marantz, exotic linear tracking turntables, big jap speakers - and all affordable! Good job I had no money in those days or would have ended up buying half the shop. I always preferred that set up to the fancy 'dealers' with at most 10 items of 'proper British hi-fi' on display, none of which I could afford, or even dream of affording.
used to buy a lot of kit mail order from 'Hyper-fi' in Barking. Used to love their 8 page ads in What Hi-fi. would drool over them for hours. Massive Sony amps, a whole page of tape decks, another of CD players loads of weird and wonderful speakers, all at about 30% of the original price. Once the Japs cut off the supply of bin-end stuff they went over to mainly doing televisions, same as Richers did.
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Post by dsjr on Aug 29, 2019 8:39:15 GMT
An amazing dem for me was the Voyd Reference with Helius Orion through Audio Innovations 500 into Snell J. Amazing sound which I will never forget. It bristled with life. Audio Innovations 500 amp 'bristling with life?' That unreliable thing put a mega size blanket on any speaker connected to it Early ones were very badly conceived underneath the neat styling too and the horror stories I was told about them. I think they got better made as they went along, but I believe the customers were the guinea pigs there. the First Audio mono amps were totally different (compared them directly). The Voyd was interesting though, like a PT on steroids
I had Snell E II's once - never again as they only worked in a particular flavour system and in a large room where the boom didn't happen.
When I started at KJ Watford, it was one of only three Amcron/Crown dealers in the UK and all but hidden at the back, they had their big hybrid electrostatic speakers. Driven from a DC300A this was VERY serious stuff back then and 'Halleluwah! by Can has NEVER sounded so impressive... That track brings back so many very happy memories for me. Oh, and AR LST's were rather fine as well.
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 29, 2019 9:08:34 GMT
An amazing dem for me was the Voyd Reference with Helius Orion through Audio Innovations 500 into Snell J. Amazing sound which I will never forget. It bristled with life. Audio Innovations 500 amp 'bristling with life?' That unreliable thing put a mega size blanket on any speaker connected to it Early ones were very badly conceived underneath the neat styling too and the horror stories I was told about them. I think they got better made as they went along, but I believe the customers were the guinea pigs there. the First Audio mono amps were totally different (compared them directly). The Voyd was interesting though, like a PT on steroids I had Snell E II's once - never again as they only worked in a particular flavour system and in a large room where the boom didn't happen. When I started at KJ Watford, it was one of only three Amcron/Crown dealers in the UK and all but hidden at the back, they had their big hybrid electrostatic speakers. Driven from a DC300A this was VERY serious stuff back then and 'Halleluwah! by Can has NEVER sounded so impressive... That track brings back so many very happy memories for me. Oh, and AR LST's were rather fine as well.
Maybe source trumped all, or more likely, it was a different beast when paired with a system it was designed for? I had a 500 myself and it wasn’t really special, but then I haven’t heard an EL34 amp that was. Snell Js are wonderful speakers to my ears though and the 500/Snell J pairing was superb when viewed as a whole. I wish you’d heard what I heard at the demo. Still the best sound I’ve ever heard. One of my lingering “wants” is a Voyd Reference, but I don’t think it’s a hassle I want to take on these days. 3 motors and a suspension is just too much complication.
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 29, 2019 9:12:33 GMT
Oh, I think I’d like LSTs.... I just don’t think I could live with the looks.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2019 9:40:56 GMT
Oh, I think I’d like LSTs.... I just don’t think I could live with the looks. I liked the LST and the smaller MST. Probably over thirty years since I heard any. As an aside, I was looking for some AR5's a while back. Didn't find any.
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Post by dsjr on Aug 29, 2019 10:26:15 GMT
Today, the LST would be huge even placed flat to a wall. The MST were a terrible load back then but the simpler? MST-2 was better I recall. Too 'different' for the sheeple to understand or use sadly and maybe modern tweeters 'disperse' better anyway.
AR3a 'improved' had some life to them and I adored the fugly 10 pi model they did.
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 29, 2019 11:32:29 GMT
Today, the LST would be huge even placed flat to a wall. The MST were a terrible load back then but the simpler? MST-2 was better I recall. Too 'different' for the sheeple to understand or use sadly and maybe modern tweeters 'disperse' better anyway. AR3a 'improved' had some life to them and I adored the fugly 10 pi model they did. Slightly off topic, but the yanks seem to love Bozak speakers. Have you any experience? You don’t really see them over here.
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Post by dsjr on Aug 29, 2019 13:09:56 GMT
No experience at all I'm afraid. Looking at pics of these, the US audio people seemed to have a totally different take on how to design a speaker once you get over a certain size, at least back then. Larger timber framed? listening spaces meant I suspect that you could sit much further away so the comb-filering effects of multiple drivers would seem inaudible - Mission 753's with doubled up bass-mid and 'mid' drivers needed 4m listening distance to fully integrate I recall. I mean, AR3a's were *bookshelf* models apparently
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2019 14:23:53 GMT
Sadly a thing of the past. all but gone now, a few blokes doing it from home. Got killed by the online buying craze. Pop into the Hi Fi shops have a gander and a listen waste a few hours of the blokes time.
Go home and order it on line, save a few bucks you see. Now you import the thing Amazon is your friend. Brag on the forum about how much money you saved and how the shops rip you off. Then bugger it up somehow, (Over drive the AVR, it claims 150 W into 7 ch ha ha, or blow the HDMI port because he is an Idiot) or it packs up on its own, off to the local agent with the thing, it has a years guarantee. Agent tells him to piss off, "grey market not my problem". Back on the forum dissing the product the agents etc. highly indignant.
And we wonder why the hobby is in dire straights.
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Post by macca on Aug 29, 2019 14:37:03 GMT
I'm always reading about people going to the proper shop for a demo then buying it on line but I do wonder if it ever really happens or if it is just another internet myth.
If you are that tight then surely you are not going to pay for petrol and parking to get to the dealers (who is likely to be a fair distance away these days as there's not so many of them). And if you are going to order it on line anyway then just do so, giving you 14 days free trial in your own home and the option to send it back for a full refund.
Compared to that a shop demo is clearly second best. Added to which whenever someone on a forum mentions this supposed practice everyone pipes up to say how awful it is and how they would never do that. So who is doing it? Or is this one of those situations where everyone thinks they are an angel but that the rest of the world are nasty, selfish bastards?
I've never seen anyone post to say that they do this sort of thing. I've seen dealers say that it goes on but how would they know? The time-waster isn't going to tell them that he will be buying it on line, is he? He'll just have his demo and leave.
And finally if the product is in a dealers and at full RRP it will be a current product. And, if you check, current products over a few hundred quid tend to be the same price everywhere. It's only when they become bin-end that the price starts getting reduced.
So I suspect it is bollocks.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2019 17:32:54 GMT
Nope not here at least, happens all the time with my friends business, it pisses him off big time, small close audio community, word gets around, and our local forum is full of gripers. This city is very easy to get around in from 9 a.m. till 3.30 p.m. 5.30 to 9 (a.m.) - 3.30 to 6.30 (p.m.) it is hell.
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Post by macca on Aug 29, 2019 19:56:11 GMT
That's bad. I suppose you don't have the same distance selling regs as us where you can send stuff back for a full refund without having to give a reason.
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Post by pauld on Aug 29, 2019 22:03:22 GMT
First dealer I remember was ironically (given Shane’s post) Uxbridge Audio where we went to listen to a series of amps and speakers following my Dad's IMF ALS 40 speakers disintegrating in front of our very eyes in the 1990’s.
We heard an Audiolab 8000A, Linn Intek, Arcam something and a used Exposure X with Linn Nexus and Linn Index speakers.
Dad bought the Audiolab 8000A and Linn Nexus in the end.
Worst dealer by far would be Audio T in Reading, run by the Sales Prevention Officer who is by far the rudest person I’ve ever met.
Best dealer would be Coherent Systems. Naysayers can say what they want but for me Tony has been a revelation. He’s not at all pushy and gives great advise. He brings kit to my house and leaves it with me to try for extended periods. Great customer service. I’m probably one of the people who’s spent least with him, but I’m always treated exceptionally well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 0:07:55 GMT
Never really bothered with Demos' As i feel a Demo room is a totally different surrounding to your living room.
Did two Demo's in all my life.
First was Audio centre, Sheffield for Meridian 'MCD Pro' CD player'
Second was Moorgate Acoustics, Rotherham for Musical Fidelity 'CD-2' CD Player.
Bought both.
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Post by dsjr on Aug 30, 2019 9:09:07 GMT
MCD Pro was my first bought CD player and I went deep into debt buying discs to feed it I remember.
Of course dem rooms are different from a client's own listening space. Easy to work around though and of course purchased goods if kept absolutely as new, could be returned if not suitable. Only time it went awry for me was when we offered a home dem and the customer ordered anyway, only then discovered the speakers got in specially didn't work in his room. Fortunately, we found a speaker that worked and his returned ones were easy enough to sell on. Interestingly, the usually buzzy Naim amps he ordered were silent in his deathly quiet village location, but the tiny external power supply for the 82 preamp remote function, buzzed ever so quietly and he needed to try three samples to get a quiet one.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 10:40:44 GMT
Hi Dave Great machine but i bought a Mission 'DAD7000R' to replace it. They were both very expensive machine that i could not really afford at the time without starving a bit
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