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Post by karma67 on Aug 15, 2019 16:41:21 GMT
i plan to recap my ns1000's and also change the inductors,ive bought a spare set of crossovers for them so i still have the original ones should i wish to go back to the originals,my corals are work in progress so in the meantime to tide me over ive just bought a pair of kef corelli's that are local to me,i know geoff is a fan but what can i expect? im expecting a ms pageant type of sound as they are similar
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 17:01:03 GMT
i plan to recap my ns1000's and also change the inductors,ive bought a spare set of crossovers for them so i still have the original ones should i wish to go back to the originals,my corals are work in progress so in the meantime to tide me over ive just bought a pair of kef corelli's that are local to me,i know geoff is a fan but what can i expect? im expecting a ms pageant type of sound as they are similar The Pageants may be nice, but Corellis are in a different league, the mid transparency is up there with the Tannoys and the bass performance is surprising considering the small boxes. Chances are they'll need a recap. I did mine. You'll like 'em! |
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Post by karma67 on Aug 15, 2019 17:36:33 GMT
cool,thats sound good then,im not too bothered about deep bass.
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Post by karma67 on Aug 15, 2019 17:37:46 GMT
whats the top end like for the t-27's,a classic tweeter used a lot so must be good?
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Post by dsjr on Aug 16, 2019 16:40:52 GMT
The Corelli came out of the R104ab work I believe. Slightly tubby mid bass as per most speakers that size, but very nice otherwise. the B200 has a slight 'aw' sound to it (all speakers using that driver have it except Sara's, which shout instead, so it's a B200 thing)but it's very well disguised in these. the T27 could sound excellent if not spiced up as in the LS3/5A and it does here. A great then small speaker for a wide range of music. Pageant 2's were rather rougher and more coloured but also a touch more 'fun.' I think we ran Pageants with mid turned up and top turned down from memory.
You may find the crossover caps are shagged by now as standard parts were used. Falcon may advise and possibly Wilmslow Audio.
DO be careful with those sodding Yammies. Just changing the coils for a different lower resistance type may feck the crossover up if you're unlucky. Mark (YNWOAN) did the caps on his first I recall and despite the quality of these being first rate when new, he found they'd drifted off I seem to remember. My solution to making these things work is to give them professional levels of POWER and then they seem to transcend their age and basic dead sound. The amp I was using when I had mine thirty odd years ago just wasn't good enough.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2019 16:57:04 GMT
whats the top end like for the t-27's,a classic tweeter used a lot so must be good? I like the T27, it's a very good tweeter in most situations. It has a certain 'dryness' to the sound, some describe it tinselly, but that's not really quite the right term. It sounds great in the Corelli. |
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Post by karma67 on Aug 16, 2019 17:02:06 GMT
cheers dave,the corelli's are cracking little speakers,im listening to them now,im already thinking about the old Sh#t caps,but to be honest they sound pretty decent as they are.
dont fret about the yamaha's im treading very carefully with them,hence why i bought another pair of crossovers to use,i then have the originals as a refernce,i will probably change the bass caps first and have a listen
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Post by karma67 on Aug 16, 2019 17:09:18 GMT
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Post by karma67 on Aug 17, 2019 4:48:43 GMT
My solution to making these things work is to give them professional levels of POWER and then they seem to transcend their age and basic dead sound. The amp I was using when I had mine thirty odd years ago just wasn't good enough. wtf? dead sound? ns1000 ? after reading countless post over the years i have never once heard them described as having a basic dead sound! please elaborate |
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Post by dsjr on Aug 17, 2019 8:40:14 GMT
They didn't do 3-D very well in my setup. For me, It was all up front in a flat plane and in my case, with a kind of synthetic deadened upper midrange 'bright' quality that I found a bit 'odd' compared to other monitors I owned subsequently and would like to own again. Reports at the time alluded to it as well, but the answer seemed to be to give them WATTS in which case they could open up and exploit a good dynamic range. For me at the time, ES14's directly after were slightly clearer in the mids, but of course, they didn't have the effortless power handling and the sparkly top was more compromised.. The fact you want to 'modify' them means there's a niggle I suspect... I did hear what I think was the NS2000 once ('wood' colour cabs and larger from memory) and these had an 'ease' to them I never remember getting from the 1000 model. forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/vintage-yamaha-ns-2000-speakers-w-pics.775880/All this was a long time ago now and powerful amps available domestically have moved on a long way, the pro market having opened up a good bit. Yamaha themselves do some interesting not too expensive power-houses for well under a grand. I've not used them myself, but I doubt they'd be complete Sh#t in a domestic setting. I suspect my 'troubles' with the NS1000 were the amp as much as anything else. I had mine for around eighteen months, which seemed a long time back then. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 17, 2019 9:47:14 GMT
They didn't do 3-D very well in my setup. For me, It was all up front in a flat plane and in my case, with a kind of synthetic deadened upper midrange 'bright' quality that I found a bit 'odd' compared to other monitors I owned subsequently and would like to own again. Reports at the time alluded to it as well, but the answer seemed to be to give them WATTS in which case they could open up and exploit a good dynamic range. For me at the time, ES14's directly after were slightly clearer in the mids, but of course, they didn't have the effortless power handling and the sparkly top was more compromised.. The fact you want to 'modify' them means there's a niggle I suspect... I did hear what I think was the NS2000 once ('wood' colour cabs and larger from memory) and these had an 'ease' to them I never remember getting from the 1000 model. forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/vintage-yamaha-ns-2000-speakers-w-pics.775880/All this was a long time ago now and powerful amps available domestically have moved on a long way, the pro market having opened up a good bit. Yamaha themselves do some interesting not too expensive power-houses for well under a grand. I've not used them myself, but I doubt they'd be complete Sh#t in a domestic setting. I suspect my 'troubles' with the NS1000 were the amp as much as anything else. I had mine for around eighteen months, which seemed a long time back then. I think Bextrene seems to deliver that “flat plane” effect most times. Not sure why. |
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Post by dsjr on Aug 17, 2019 10:18:46 GMT
I'm honestly not sure if the cone material has much to do with it to be honest as I remember plenty of Bextrene driver speakers sounding excellent, as well as paper cones and a few polypropylene drivers too. The Corelli's may sound a little tubby and 'flat' but I'd put that down to the smaller box the B200's in and maybe too close to the wall when listening back then, as high stands out in the room weren't usual forty years ago.
Looking back thirty years, I paid £450 for my NS1000's which came with 12" floor-spiked Target frame stands from memory. i suppose that equates to a grand or so today?
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Post by karma67 on Aug 17, 2019 13:39:52 GMT
. The fact you want to 'modify' them means there's a niggle I suspect... not at all,but if they sound better why not eh? |
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Post by dsjr on Aug 17, 2019 18:14:39 GMT
Why not indeed  Speaker design is a bloody minefield though and for example, without the level controls you have, replacing an old standard inline cap with a fancy new one reduces the inline resistance and guess what, the driver fed via said cap goes up in output, giving a 'better' sound 'cos it's slightly louder. It killed my ES14's changing the bipolar electrolytic tweeter cap for a polypropylene one and Robin laughed his head off when I told him what I found - and then gave me chapter and verse as to what I'd done. Same when I bi-wired mine, but thirty years ago it was a large part of the learning curve for me - so apologies if I'm preaching again. P.S. The KEF's as I remember used to have the wood side trims on the outside, as it apparently helps tweeter dispersion. They look a lot larger than I remember, but I'm forgetting an 8" driver is huge in today's world. |
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Post by karma67 on Aug 23, 2019 10:22:50 GMT
been listening to these for a while,although good they just dont have the weight the ns1000's have so i will probably break for drivers.
whats a pair of t-27 and sp1063's worth? £100?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 11:20:20 GMT
been listening to these for a while,although good they just dont have the weight the ns1000's have so i will probably break for drivers. whats a pair of t-27 and sp1063's worth? £100? Not as much as a clean set of Corellis. |
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Post by karma67 on Aug 23, 2019 11:21:47 GMT
isnt that rather obvious? £100 sounds about right in that case
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 11:38:57 GMT
isnt that rather obvious? £100 sounds about right in that case
Corellis have been selling for between £150 and £200. |
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Post by macca on Aug 23, 2019 12:05:25 GMT
That's down to you talking them up... |
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