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Post by bourneendboy on Aug 11, 2019 18:22:18 GMT
First post here after my 'hello'
I'm currently using an Allo Boss v1.2 with a R-Pi and an NJC Audio Reference Headphone amp which I very happy with. However, the NJC products are very nice and I'm really tempted by their Reference Dac - www.njc-audio.co.uk/html/referencedac.html
If money was no object I'd just order one, but unfortunately that's not the case and although I have 'distant selling' on my side, I'm loath to order one unless I intend to keep it.
Does anyone have any advice on this? Is the NJC likely to be an improvement on the Boss? Now that the R-Pi 4 is available, do I really need to use a HAT like an Allo Digione?
Cheers,
Bill
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2019 19:43:54 GMT
NJC have a good rep but far from mainstream. You may have to take a blind punt on it to really find out.
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Post by antonio on Aug 12, 2019 5:07:02 GMT
I think Bigman is right, there are many other dac's in that price range, Topping D70 springs to mind. Is there any real difference, or do they all sound pretty much the same? Maybe you could try and have a listen to another dac and see how it compares to the Allo.
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Post by dsjr on Aug 12, 2019 9:10:53 GMT
I'd seriously give the ASR forum a serious dose of looking at! Modern dacs without added 'foo' all generally measure far beyond our ear's capability now and an order of magnitude better than the amps and speakers they play into, but of course their'll be some chancers with added 'magic' to fool the ears...
You REALLY don't need to spend a fortune on dacs these days unless nice casework and facilities are most important and even the dac-for-a-fiver plus forty quid linear power supply can sound most impressive if you don't know what you're listening to..
A pal has NJC stuff (phono stage plus sut) and rates it very highly. Few people know of the brand, so it's not something to hold value right now should you wish to move it on. The Topping gear does seem very popular at mad-low prices for the performance you appear to get (another pal has used their little amps for years and rated them long before I knew they did much else) and they do seem to understand the dac chips they use and have now sorted the ESS distortion 'hump' that afflicted most implementations of the makers chips - whether this was audible or not is a moot point, but it was certainly there.
I suppose there may be a justification for looking to Benchmark and Chord at the expensive end of the dac market, purely because they do seem to be pushing the boundaries forward a bit, but in real terms I suspect it's largely inaudible in real terms although the vibes created by owning one of their products may well augment the listening experience and I'd not turn down a Benchmark DAC 3 if I had the chance... Under a grand, the RMI one looks good with plenty of facilities available.
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Post by antonio on Aug 12, 2019 13:31:57 GMT
My NVA system with Calyx dac sounds great, does it compare to my brother's dCS system - no.
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Post by dsjr on Aug 12, 2019 13:49:05 GMT
You'd need to compare the Calyx with the dCS though..
Some dac's do seem to over-egg the pudding somewhat, but it's usually to tell a story for 'High End' peeps who need to feel they're spending their thousands/tens of thousands in a satisfying way, hance that godawful measuring TotalDac monstrosity which had so much effort put in to a basically not-so-good technology and only half understanding it seems, which digital audio is all about (according to knowledgeable peeps who do seem to understand it). dCS *to me,* do seem to go all round the houses over many boxes and thousands of quid, but is their top dac *really* better at audible decoding of a CD? I'm sure on the bench it's excellent, but having played for some time now with a 'dac-for-a-fiver' - now replaced by a similar looking but even simpler model - I have my doubts I'd tell blindfold unless one of these was altering the instrumental timbres or something (the cheap dac has lower output too, so that needs to be taken care of first in any comparison)...
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Post by antonio on Aug 12, 2019 14:15:19 GMT
I think we are going off track here, sorry Bournendboy.
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Post by dsjr on Aug 12, 2019 16:13:27 GMT
Not sure really. The whole thread has kind of been answered imo, but there is a question linked to it as to how much a decently performing sonically transparent dac really needs to cost these days. Hell, even the Rega dac at £600 or so is rather expensive these days and that's *me* saying it!
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Post by bourneendboy on Aug 12, 2019 18:32:06 GMT
Apologies for not replying sooner chaps, just been catching up.
All very interesting messages - not off topic at all, no worries 😀.
I have a bit of an obsession with things matching etc, hence my thoughts regarding the NJC Dac. However I do like the neat little Pi/Allo aluminium case and it definitely sounds good to my ears.
I have an itch to scratch, how about a new headphone cable......
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 12, 2019 18:40:08 GMT
I’m not sure which ones are available fir the Sennheisers, I’d personally avoid Van Damme though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 20:17:52 GMT
In my experience, DACs don’t make a massive difference. I have been playing with four today, from a Bitzie USB, the Asus Essence STX II (which is a TI dac chip), my modified Caiman SEG and a Majestic. I could not hear much difference from them all when using my self built silent PC to feed FLAC files to them.
I am happy, as I don’t need to spend any money to improve my DAC, and move on the the next best thing....
Headphone cables is an interesting one. Once you get to a certain level, there is very little difference and I believe we fool ourselves into thinking it is better.
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