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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 14, 2020 17:57:00 GMT
So much talk of the motherland! The enthusiasm for this build is growing!
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 15, 2020 10:57:28 GMT
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 22, 2020 20:18:36 GMT
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 23, 2020 20:31:32 GMT
ANNOUNCEMENT
Seems you can't talk factually about the Paradise phonostage without people getting all pissy and upset.
I shall write my review, post the findings and lock the thread in the reviews area of the forum, in my good time.
If you don't like what i have to say, you don't have to read it.
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Post by macca on Aug 23, 2020 20:33:35 GMT
Vinyl as a medium is massively inaccurate in all sort of different ways that totally eclipse a tiny variation in RIAA compliance. That's why way back when all the serious accuracy nuts were into reel to reel, not vinyl.
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 23, 2020 20:42:32 GMT
Why add another variance when it isn't necessary? If you cant hear the 0.6db lift at 20hz, which has been claimed, why put it in??
"Compensate for poorly mastered 80's pressings" So what happens if you aren't playing 80's pressings? You get a lift where you don't need one!
It's like saying " my car has a few dents and scratches, so i'll hit it with the hammer a few times. It's flawed anyway"
It's stupid. You are only devaluing the car further.
"I'll put a pair of bigger wheels on the left side of my car, as when i drive over a pot hole, it'll help balance the car out for that precise moment" regardless of the fact that you'll be lopsided the rest of the time!
The same applies to RIAA accuracy. if you already have issues elsewhere why compound them further? Why ADD more variance? It's only job is to apply a filter to correct/oppose the one they used when they cut the vinyl. It's the absolute essence of the unit!
I said the Same about the old NVA Phono 2, way back before the new ownership, who have since sorted it out. It too had a lift, more prominent than the reported figures that i previously deleted in regard to the Paradise.
It's ok if the owners don't care, But it's not wrong to highlight that it is there, and it certainly doesn't require impassioned defence of the phonostage or chucking insults at me, just because i have said so !
It's there...no matter what anyone says about it.
I also wasn't criticising the phonostage for it. I just wondered if anyone who owned them, knew about them coming with the "house Sound" built in.
Obviously they didnt.
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Post by macca on Aug 23, 2020 21:19:16 GMT
Dow we have an FR plot of a Paradise? The 0.6dB lift in bass would have to cover several octaves up from 20Hz if it was going to be audible. If it went as far up as 200Hz I reckon you might notice it as a subtle emphasis. Depending on the music ofc. But there's more variation in cartridges than that. Just not worth worrying about.
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 23, 2020 21:23:52 GMT
Dow we have an FR plot of a Paradise? The 0.6dB lift in bass would have to cover several octaves up from 20Hz if it was going to be audible. If it went as far up as 200Hz I reckon you might notice it as a subtle emphasis. Depending on the music ofc. But there's more variation in cartridges than that. Just not worth worrying about. I haven't got one, so no...doesn't matter. |
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Post by rexton on Aug 24, 2020 15:58:45 GMT
Why add another variance when it isn't necessary? If you cant hear the 0.6db lift at 20hz, which has been claimed, why put it in?? "Compensate for poorly mastered 80's pressings" So what happens if you aren't playing 80's pressings? You get a lift where you don't need one! It's like saying " my car has a few dents and scratches, so i'll hit it with the hammer a few times. It's flawed anyway" It's stupid. You are only devaluing the car further. "I'll put a pair of bigger wheels on the left side of my car, as when i drive over a pot hole, it'll help balance the car out for that precise moment" regardless of the fact that you'll be lopsided the rest of the time! The same applies to RIAA accuracy. if you already have issues elsewhere why compound them further? Why ADD more variance? It's only job is to apply a filter to correct/oppose the one they used when they cut the vinyl. It's the absolute essence of the unit! I said the Same about the old NVA Phono 2, way back before the new ownership, who have since sorted it out. It too had a lift, more prominent than the reported figures that i previously deleted in regard to the Paradise. It's ok if the owners don't care, But it's not wrong to highlight that it is there, and it certainly doesn't require impassioned defence of the phonostage or chucking insults at me, just because i have said so ! It's there...no matter what anyone says about it. I also wasn't criticising the phonostage for it. I just wondered if anyone who owned them, knew about them coming with the "house Sound" built in. Obviously they didnt. SUch a shame folks have to resort to such tactics. I'm glad you pointed it out. I couldn't hear a bass lift personally with mine but at least this gives me the opportunity to get more accurate RIAA values should I choose. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 24, 2020 16:47:07 GMT
Why add another variance when it isn't necessary? If you cant hear the 0.6db lift at 20hz, which has been claimed, why put it in?? "Compensate for poorly mastered 80's pressings" So what happens if you aren't playing 80's pressings? You get a lift where you don't need one! It's like saying " my car has a few dents and scratches, so i'll hit it with the hammer a few times. It's flawed anyway" It's stupid. You are only devaluing the car further. "I'll put a pair of bigger wheels on the left side of my car, as when i drive over a pot hole, it'll help balance the car out for that precise moment" regardless of the fact that you'll be lopsided the rest of the time! The same applies to RIAA accuracy. if you already have issues elsewhere why compound them further? Why ADD more variance? It's only job is to apply a filter to correct/oppose the one they used when they cut the vinyl. It's the absolute essence of the unit! I said the Same about the old NVA Phono 2, way back before the new ownership, who have since sorted it out. It too had a lift, more prominent than the reported figures that i previously deleted in regard to the Paradise. It's ok if the owners don't care, But it's not wrong to highlight that it is there, and it certainly doesn't require impassioned defence of the phonostage or chucking insults at me, just because i have said so ! It's there...no matter what anyone says about it. I also wasn't criticising the phonostage for it. I just wondered if anyone who owned them, knew about them coming with the "house Sound" built in. Obviously they didnt. SUch a shame folks have to resort to such tactics. I'm glad you pointed it out. I couldn't hear a bass lift personally with mine but at least this gives me the opportunity to get more accurate RIAA values should I choose. I really wasn't being critical of the Phonostage, Andrew. I am building one myself (with Angus) and I wouldn't waste the money if I didn't think it to be an excellent Phonostage, which I absolutely do think. Obviously, my highlighting of this ruffled the feathers of some, but this forum is all about cutting through the appeasement that is often afforded to certain products, due to the fear of being savaged by the owners club. Shiit owners clubs are a prime example of this. There is no point having forums if we can't be honest about what's going on. I am reliably informed today, that my assertion that the RIAA Lift would be audible is correct. By a guy who would know. He's not a member here, so I won't be providing any further details on that source. He said he is also going to provide me with frequency plots that show that this isn't a step, rather its a rising slope that starts before the reported 20hz marker, which was claimed to be inaudible yesterday. Of course, I won't mention it again if those plots don't materialise, as he is a super busy guy. But I am already told by two guys I am very confident in that this is the case, so why would I need it. If you are enjoying the Phonostage as is, don't worry about it, I just mentioned it to see whether anyone was aware of the "80s compensation" in the curve |
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Post by rexton on Aug 24, 2020 17:22:44 GMT
I wasn't aware that phonostages have "80s compensation" RIAA compensation as an option, I think big industry missed a trick here Oli  |
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 24, 2020 17:53:49 GMT
I wasn't aware that phonostages have "80s compensation" RIAA compensation as an option, I think big industry missed a trick here Oli Lol |
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 24, 2020 18:21:40 GMT
In other news, The Russian Caps are looking like they were made for the space  |
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Post by firebottle on Aug 24, 2020 18:46:18 GMT
Oh you'll have to turn the one around so the leads are roughly the same length.
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Post by electronumpty on Aug 24, 2020 19:13:18 GMT
"I'll put a pair of bigger wheels on the left side of my car, as when i drive over a pot hole, it'll help balance the car out for that precise moment" Great tip mate, we get loads of pot holes round here, the roads are in a terrible state. I'll mention it to our mechanic next time we get the MOT done ! Cheers for that.  |
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 24, 2020 19:15:08 GMT
Oh you'll have to turn the one around so the leads are roughly the same length. Na, can't do it....the lead outs would cross.. I'll just make them the same length lol |
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 24, 2020 19:15:37 GMT
"I'll put a pair of bigger wheels on the left side of my car, as when i drive over a pot hole, it'll help balance the car out for that precise moment" Great tip mate, we get loads of pot holes round here, the roads are in a terrible state. I'll mention it to our mechanic next time we get the MOT done ! Cheers for that. Haha, I would be absolutely devastated if someone actually did that lol |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2020 20:07:20 GMT
Oh you'll have to turn the one around so the leads are roughly the same length. Those caps look great oliver😮😮 |
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 24, 2020 20:29:10 GMT
Oh you'll have to turn the one around so the leads are roughly the same length. Those caps look great oliver😮😮 Look good.....but how do they sound!!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2020 21:51:01 GMT
Happy to measure the curve for you Oli with industry referende standard equipment
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2020 21:59:59 GMT
Those caps look great oliver😮😮 Look good.....but how do they sound!!!! I guess you'll find out soon enough 👍👍 |
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 24, 2020 22:57:10 GMT
Happy to measure the curve for you Oli with industry referende standard equipment Curve on what, The Paradise? That could be interesting... We shall see what occurs in the short term. |
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Post by electronumpty on Aug 24, 2020 23:06:30 GMT
Those caps look great oliver😮😮 Look good.....but how do they sound!!!! Disappointed you haven't taken the house brick option. 😒 |
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 24, 2020 23:09:16 GMT
Look good.....but how do they sound!!!! Disappointed you haven't taken the house brick option. 😒 Hahaha, I couldn't get them in the case lol |
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 25, 2020 17:42:07 GMT
Been building biscuit tin preamps again.   |
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Post by zleepy on Aug 25, 2020 18:31:35 GMT
That PCB is soooo clean and sleek looking! What PSU is used? And what attenuator..? Guess I should read through your blog to find out?
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 25, 2020 19:27:36 GMT
That PCB is soooo clean and sleek looking! What PSU is used? And what attenuator..? Guess I should read through your blog to find out? /Zleepy I can take no credit for it. It's all the work of Phonomac and the Layout for the PCB was done by Craig, at Craigtone. The PSU is a Walt Jung PSU, from ebay. The stepped attenuator is Phonomacs ..custom made with an Elma switch |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2020 21:35:58 GMT
That PCB is soooo clean and sleek looking! What PSU is used? And what attenuator..? Guess I should read through your blog to find out? /Zleepy I can take no credit for it. It's all the work of Phonomac and the Layout for the PCB was done by Craig, at Craigtone. The PSU is a Walt Jung PSU, from ebay. The stepped attenuator is Phonomacs ..custom made with an Elma switch Hi Oliver Very neat and minimalist board, hows it sound?? Oh and I want one 😄😄 |
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 25, 2020 21:39:58 GMT
I can take no credit for it. It's all the work of Phonomac and the Layout for the PCB was done by Craig, at Craigtone. The PSU is a Walt Jung PSU, from ebay. The stepped attenuator is Phonomacs ..custom made with an Elma switch Hi Oliver Very neat and minimalist board, hows it sound?? Oh and I want one 😄😄 Hahaha, Ye sounds great. I'm very happy. Well talk when I have a full understanding of everything under the hood, and ironed out a couple of wrinkles from a layout POV |
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