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Yes but Johnny has made them so must be worth more!! Madness. £5 for the plugs, £5 for the cable and half an hour terminating the cable. I'll make you a set for half lol |
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Jul 30, 2019 8:29:37 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 8:29:37 GMT
I've got about 20m of spare Van Damme coax knocking about. It's cheap, so you can't really grumble about it if you assemble your own. Dead easy to work with too, unlike some, like Cardas and QED Genesis etc.
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Jul 30, 2019 8:30:05 GMT
Post by nonuffin on Jul 30, 2019 8:30:05 GMT
Now that really is preying on the gullible
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 8:40:17 GMT
Now that really is preying on the gullible "the gullible" are in plentiful supply. There wouldn't be a market for 'foo' items otherwise. |
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Jul 30, 2019 9:11:24 GMT
Post by dsjr on Jul 30, 2019 9:11:24 GMT
If you want the same, buy the Mark Grant set for under twenty quid. He obviously makes his money selling other things, so these are a give-away item for him, as the baby NVA A20/P20 package was, making just enough to make it worthwhile as a 'loss-leader.' Now, how much should people charge for labour eh? £12 per hour (do leave off if there's a business to run) or £50 or higher? look how much labour a typical popular-brand motor dealer charges - £75/hr now for a fitter? Sure, the Van Damme and Neutrik parts are cheap, but I'm sure Johnnie has other expenses, makes them up to order and maybe his work is a bit slack right now for all I know, bodging up thirty year old old knackered Rega arms amongst other things? This cable has already been totally dismissed here recently, but you don't have to buy it. To put it together at 'favour rates' as I suspect Mark Grant is doing may suit me (I doubt you or I could buy the parts in small quantities and save much after postage and packing is taken into account), but he couldn't make a living out of just this item at just this price but I suspect he allocates a day to make a batch of them and keeps them by for the odd sale to come along. Audio Forum people really are tight with their money in my experience and I honestly think we live in a kind of retro '80's bubble' where gear and pricing is concerned. It really isn't the same in the very few successful dealers still out there, where expensive gear and wires still rule (the entire religion around Naim and probably Linn is alive and well chaps, even if you refuse to even consider it as a valid option!). I honestly feel that a lot of this isn't 'greed' as some people elsewhere may make it out to be, but survival, bearing in mind the level of business out there away from the popular expensive brands!!! The loudest commentator as regards 'everyone else' making loads of 'slurp' was seemingly running his business into the ground trying to keep sales going and it's going to be a bit of a bullish 'fight back,' re-introducing and pricing the products to make a fair living for all concerned as well as maintaining some volume of sales (this latter concept would totally beat me as I'm now far too timid to do this).
Apologies for the essay above. people need to put food on their plates and pay their bills. I just don't understand why UK made domestic audio has to be all but given away. maybe this is what years of austerity and 'cuts' in everything has done to the UK populace? Everything is so negative here...
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Jul 30, 2019 9:24:25 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 9:24:25 GMT
Given that so many people think they could make and sell stuff and generate sufficient income to pay the bills and keep the company afloat, it's surprising that so few of them are willing to give it a go, particularly those not in gainful employment and thus with a lot of time on their hands. (My excuse is that a) I'm completely cack-handed and b) don't need the money)).
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Jul 30, 2019 9:32:31 GMT
Post by nonuffin on Jul 30, 2019 9:32:31 GMT
Apologies for the essay above. people need to put food on their plates and pay their bills. I just don't understand why UK made domestic audio has to be all but given away. maybe this is what years of austerity and 'cuts' in everything has done to the UK populace? Everything is so negative here...
Maybe it is because us brits now have such a small amount of real disposable income that breeds this mindset?
Although not exactly poor, all I can do is cover the bills each month and simple luxuries like eating out vanished a long time ago. Used to go out for a drive in the country years ago just for the joy of it, along with attending bakeoffs halfway up the country, but the cost of petrol now means I have to really justify going out in the car.
I also think that the secondhand market exploding in prices holds a clue to how other people have less disposable income to play with to buy brand new.
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Given that so many people think they could make and sell stuff and generate sufficient income to pay the bills and keep the company afloat, it's surprising that so few of them are willing to give it a go, particularly those not in gainful employment and thus with a lot of time on their hands. (My excuse is that a) I'm completely cack-handed and b) don't need the money)). It's a lot of effort. It's expensive too. It took 12 months from conception to completion to make the original PCB'for the Bigbottle phonostage group buy. I must have put around three hours a day working with multiple sources to get the end product. That was on top of trying to be a dutiful father and husband. It was exhausting. Then after all of that, i still haven't had a single piece of feed back, a finished build picture or been able to built any momentum with it. The phono stage isn't the problem, it's the stuff you can't control. I recently agreed to work with a guy who redesigned the pcb layout and we added MM and MC capability. He did all the work we agreed, the prototype pcb is here but i haven't heard a bean from him since. I haven't got the Gerber files so can't get any of these new pcbs made either so the last three months of waiting and not pushing the old MC only PCB are looking like a waste of time as I'll have to start again and try and find someone else if he doesn't answer my emails. I envy those who can do everything from start to finish. |
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Jul 30, 2019 9:51:32 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 9:51:32 GMT
Given that so many people think they could make and sell stuff and generate sufficient income to pay the bills and keep the company afloat, it's surprising that so few of them are willing to give it a go, particularly those not in gainful employment and thus with a lot of time on their hands. (My excuse is that a) I'm completely cack-handed and b) don't need the money)). I'm very good at building stuff and could use the money. Unfortunately my inherent laziness gets in the way.  |
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Jul 30, 2019 10:00:11 GMT
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If you want the same, buy the Mark Grant set for under twenty quid. He obviously makes his money selling other things, so these are a give-away item for him, as the baby NVA A20/P20 package was, making just enough to make it worthwhile as a 'loss-leader.' Now, how much should people charge for labour eh? £12 per hour (do leave off if there's a business to run) or £50 or higher? look how much labour a typical popular-brand motor dealer charges - £75/hr now for a fitter? Sure, the Van Damme and Neutrik parts are cheap, but I'm sure Johnnie has other expenses, makes them up to order and maybe his work is a bit slack right now for all I know, bodging up thirty year old old knackered Rega arms amongst other things? This cable has already been totally dismissed here recently, but you don't have to buy it. To put it together at 'favour rates' as I suspect Mark Grant is doing may suit me (I doubt you or I could buy the parts in small quantities and save much after postage and packing is taken into account), but he couldn't make a living out of just this item at just this price but I suspect he allocates a day to make a batch of them and keeps them by for the odd sale to come along. Audio Forum people really are tight with their money in my experience and I honestly think we live in a kind of retro '80's bubble' where gear and pricing is concerned. It really isn't the same in the very few successful dealers still out there, where expensive gear and wires still rule (the entire religion around Naim and probably Linn is alive and well chaps, even if you refuse to even consider it as a valid option!). I honestly feel that a lot of this isn't 'greed' as some people elsewhere may make it out to be, but survival, bearing in mind the level of business out there away from the popular expensive brands!!! The loudest commentator as regards 'everyone else' making loads of 'slurp' was seemingly running his business into the ground trying to keep sales going and it's going to be a bit of a bullish 'fight back,' re-introducing and pricing the products to make a fair living for all concerned as well as maintaining some volume of sales (this latter concept would totally beat me as I'm now far too timid to do this).
Apologies for the essay above. people need to put food on their plates and pay their bills. I just don't understand why UK made domestic audio has to be all but given away. maybe this is what years of austerity and 'cuts' in everything has done to the UK populace? Everything is so negative here...
In terms of how much someone charge per hour, i think that depends on your individual needs. When i make cables, any cable, i only add my hourly rate that I get paid at work. I view it as akin to an hours over time at my normal job and that seemed fair. I do understand that people trying to make a living out of it need to make a profit to survive but i also think that the Audio forum visitors are getting more clued up on how much things actually cost. I had no idea about this side until I started making things. When i started to see exactly how much profit was being made it made me rethink my whole approach to purchases. The thing is for me, and it's something I don't think I'm managing to get across very well, is that regardless of the personal circumstances who's making equipment or what they need to make per unit to survive, that's not the consumers problem. I want value for money. I want my money to go on equipment that is not stuffing the pockets of the maker but is paying for the majority of the parts in that unit. I don't view hifi like most people, i know this but when you can buy DIY stuff and build it, it changes you. There is little value in almost everything that is sold new. The margins are huge and i am not interested in paying for people's lifestyle. I'm not tightfisted, but there are people out there like Glen Croft, Like Arek at Khozmo, like Bruno Putzey and Hypex, who are selling top class bits of kit for sensible prices. That's where i look these days. If folks are happy to spunk 70% of the cost of their kit, straight into the manufacturers pocket, good on them. |
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Jul 30, 2019 11:35:47 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 11:35:47 GMT
I've lost some respect for Audio Origami. That is pure ripoff and lies! Audio Origimai should go bust!!
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Jul 30, 2019 11:48:38 GMT
Post by macca on Jul 30, 2019 11:48:38 GMT
So where do you stand on a restaurant selling a bottle of wine for £30 when you can buy it in the supermarket for £7.99?
Or does that not count because it isn't hi-fi?
Most people over 40 in this country are careful with money, that's because we all grew up in a time where there was nothing, no spare money, and even second hand equipment was expensive because there was not so much of it. You had to watch the pennies and look for bargains, and old habits die hard.
Maybe the youngsters will be more reckless with their money once they get older and earn more, I don't know.
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Jul 30, 2019 11:54:11 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 11:54:11 GMT
Fair enough, Martin. Still makes my blood boil though!
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Jul 30, 2019 12:40:47 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 12:40:47 GMT
well dont buy it then..thing is nobody is putting a gun to your head and forcing you.
if this mofo is getting away with it then it's his buisness.
he has over heads and all the other cack with running a buisness . aint easy at all.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 12:44:24 GMT
When I spot a ripoff, I will point my finger and ridicule it. Sorry, but that is my nature.
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Post by macca on Jul 30, 2019 12:45:15 GMT
Hi-fi alone must keep you pretty busy then!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 12:51:56 GMT
i hate being ripped off..i am always very careful before i buy anything..if people wanna buy a 60k merc that will rust away in 8 years then let them..i wont fall for it as i aint dumb.
anyone remember years ago that dude biscuit pimped up some marantz cd player by spending 1000 quid on it lol..at a bakeoff nobody heard any difference lol.
that goldmund cd player costing over 10 grand was found to have a 50 quid pioneer dvd drive in it.
you gotta be careful out there mofos..do ya research before throwing ya cash about
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Jul 30, 2019 13:27:26 GMT
Post by macca on Jul 30, 2019 13:27:26 GMT
We must all remember the Goldmund scam.
There was also another similar scam where a Phillips player was used. And unlike Goldmund they didn't even bother taking it out of the Phillips case, just put the whole player inside a bigger, fancier chassis so only the buttons and the draw stuck out of the front. They claimed they had modded it but it was just a cap, a resistor and a bit of wire which just added a bit of extra noise to the signal.
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Jul 30, 2019 13:43:02 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 13:43:02 GMT
Whether something is a rip-off or not is an interesting question isn't it? A deliberately misleading product (the re-cased player, Coke's tap water in a bottle) are one thing. But when it comes to price, its not that easy is it. Example - Bob makes cables, he sells one pair a week, they have £50 worth of materials in them and he charges £1000. Is that a rip-off? What if I said Bob is blind so they take him 20 hours to make using a £100,000 machine he is paying for? Still a rip-off? Fred Inc makes cables, they have £10 worth of materials and they charge £100 for them - much better? What if I said Fred Inc gets them made in India by children and they pay the kids £1/day? What if Fred Incs boss has a yacht and a private jet?
I wont pay £500 for a cable because I don't think it's worth it, regardless of the materials/workmanship or anything else. If I had £1Bn in the bank and had bought a £100,000 system, would I twitch at £500 cables? Who knows
If I think the seller is lying, I'll point it out, but in the end, you pay your money and make your choice.
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Post by macca on Jul 30, 2019 13:56:59 GMT
Another point is there is only so good an interconnect can be. Crazy lengths aside I can't see how an optimal interconnect could possibly retail for more than £500.
On the other hand we listen with our eyes and our knowledge as much as our ears. The sap who pays £5K for his interconnects is not getting a better sounding interconnect than the one who pays £500
But because he knows he paid £5K, because the cables came in a fancy little felt lined box like a piece of jewelry, because the magazine reviews say things like 'These are some of the finest-sounding cables in the world' he hears a much greater improvement than he would if he was unaware of all this stuff and had just found the cable at the local tip.
So in a way he is getting something for all that extra outlay. Whereas the sap who can only afford £500 quid interconnects has to sit there and imagine how good his system could sound if only he could afford £5K cables.
One is more satisfied than he should be with the sound, the other is less satisfied than he should be with the sound. And yet the only real difference between the £500 and the £5K cables is the price.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 16:14:23 GMT
you must have a tappet loose to spent more than 100 quid on cables..if you got that much spare cash then give it to a good cause rather than line some dudes pockets
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Jul 30, 2019 16:19:00 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 16:19:00 GMT
Is it actually J7 selling the cables, or a dealer selling them?
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Jul 30, 2019 16:44:29 GMT
Post by Bigman80 on Jul 30, 2019 16:44:29 GMT
Yes but Johnny has made them so must be worth more!! Madness. £5 for the plugs, £5 for the cable and half an hour terminating the cable. I'll make you a set for half lol Unless you have a system that is beyond hope, I wouldn’t recommend the, even at materials costs. |
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Yes but Johnny has made them so must be worth more!! Madness. £5 for the plugs, £5 for the cable and half an hour terminating the cable. I'll make you a set for half lol Unless you have a system that is beyond hope, I wouldn’t recommend the, even at materials costs. Absolutely spot on. |
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Is it actually J7 selling the cables, or a dealer selling them? Looks like J7 as the add is Glasgow where he's based. I hope it's a typo and he hasn't noticed to be honest. |
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Jul 30, 2019 16:47:20 GMT
Post by Bigman80 on Jul 30, 2019 16:47:20 GMT
Is it actually J7 selling the cables, or a dealer selling them? Not J7 he actually sells the tonearm cable with a decent SME style plug and earth cable for £65. He also has his own EBay account. |
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Jul 30, 2019 16:49:44 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 16:49:44 GMT
He lives in a castle btw
just incase u wanted to know
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Jul 30, 2019 17:01:33 GMT
Post by macca on Jul 30, 2019 17:01:33 GMT
Yes but Johnny has made them so must be worth more!! Madness. £5 for the plugs, £5 for the cable and half an hour terminating the cable. I'll make you a set for half lol Unless you have a system that is beyond hope, I wouldn’t recommend the, even at materials costs. The difference between very expensive interconnects and the freebie ones that come with cheap kit is actually pretty small. Try a blind test. I mean it's there (mostly), don't get me wrong, but it isn't anything like as big as I thought it was until I tried to identify them with no idea of which one was in play. If you can't afford the extra for cables the freebies are fine. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 17:06:05 GMT
my box swapping days i found ic cables made very little difference..unless it was those energy sapping VDH ones..speaker cables make much more of a difference
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