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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 19:37:16 GMT
Well I have had my little pot-in--a-box for a few years now. Its been through a few iterations - from alps blue, via a shunt, to a DACT pot, even a little DAC shoe-horned into the poor little plastic box - however it does the job with my valve mono's very well I'd been wanting to make a nicer version for a while but the little boxes are more than I wanted to spend, when it works, then this little box came up www.ebay.co.uk/itm/B0905-black-Full-Aluminum-Enclosure-mini-amplifier-case-Preamp-box-PSU-chassis/123286375886?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649so i bought it, plus a new attenuator to try... Build started this eve with the new-to-me bits of trying to drill neat holes in metal... then popping some plugs and the new DACT in to check holes are the right size and in about the right place That'll do. Room for some more plugs and a selector switch if needed. Only issue is the pot doesn't have a long enough thread to put the nut outside Next it's time to solder....
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 1, 2019 23:23:00 GMT
I don’t know how the Chinese can do it for the money. I used to hate seeing those Maplin project boxes so it’s Greta to see some better stuff coming to DIYers.
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Post by antonio on Apr 2, 2019 3:45:49 GMT
The new box is definitely a step up in the looks department. Good luck with the build.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2019 15:50:24 GMT
Well it wont win any awards but its built and it works... its prettier than the grey plastic affair, not had chance to try a comparison yet though so i dont know if the cheap DACT matches the real thing Ive not star-earthed this one to the chassis. Each of the grey cables has 2 channels and a shield, this time i've connected the shield to the earth at the plug and the ground at the pot, both grounds are connected so all the grounds are linked at the pot, but not to the chassis. We'll see if it works with the valve amps, but it was fine in a quick trial in front of my Rotel integrated, no obvious hum and both channels worked. I had to enlarge the hole for the volume pot on the outside of the case so I could get the nut on, the thread wasn't as long as the eBay posting made out and it didn't show beyond the front plate. Luckily the knob covers it up, even though it was neater than I feared.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2019 15:51:40 GMT
And here it is on top of one of the valve amps - its a teeny little thing
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 5, 2019 15:55:40 GMT
And here it is on top of one of the valve amps - its a teeny little thing Well at least you’re ahead of anyone who hasn’t made anything of their own. I hope it brings many happy hours of listening.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2019 16:25:13 GMT
the other one has been great. theres nothing to really go wrong with it so i can take it to bake-offs without worrying about damage, it makes people chuckle when they see the state of it and how light it is - then it does a great job vs some expensive kit. I wish my soldering was better - it always looks much neater in my head but my eyesight isnt brilliant with this sort of thing, so by the time i have the magnifier close enough to see, theres not much room to get my hands and a soldering iron in there too... but i keep looking at that DCB1 kit amp everyone raves about and wondering......
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Post by macca on Apr 5, 2019 18:06:04 GMT
As long as your power amp is fully compatible with your passive I don't think the DCB1 would be better.
Do you find the sound is a bit soft, just very slightly? Especially with cymbals and high hats lacking just a bit of metallic sparkle? That's what I had with a passive into the Krell. Not quite compatible - still a good sound but not quite there. Adding the buffer sorted it even though there is still zero gain.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2019 18:23:29 GMT
I think it’s spot on with the valve amps. Not enough drive for my solid state power amp, but I have an active pre for that
I suspect the DCB1 could do both, plus it could have 2 sets of outputs which would be better - I take the tape loop from the active pre into the passive which isn’t ideal
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Post by macca on Apr 5, 2019 18:30:17 GMT
What active pre do you have?
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Post by macca on Apr 5, 2019 18:31:18 GMT
And what SS power amp? If it isn't sensitive enough you won't have enough gain with DCB1.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2019 21:15:02 GMT
the other one has been great. theres nothing to really go wrong with it so i can take it to bake-offs without worrying about damage, it makes people chuckle when they see the state of it and how light it is - then it does a great job vs some expensive kit. I wish my soldering was better - it always looks much neater in my head but my eyesight isnt brilliant with this sort of thing, so by the time i have the magnifier close enough to see, theres not much room to get my hands and a soldering iron in there too... but i keep looking at that DCB1 kit amp everyone raves about and wondering...... The DCB1 really gives the best of both worlds imo. Let's be honest, for the money, you can build one fairly cheaply to try and then upscale the build if you feel it has the potential to be a great fit in your system. I have a "pot in the box" on the desk to build, very similar to yours. I am building it for the second system as a stop gap. I'll be building another DCB1 but I'm not in a rush to do so. I'd give the DCB1 a go, you've nothing to lose.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2019 22:28:14 GMT
The active pre is a rotel rc850 The power amp is an HH S500D
It works with the passive pre but I think it’ might be better with the buffer
Mainly I’d like the option of a pre with two sets of outputs
But it’s hard to compete with 4 RCAs and a stepped attenuator
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2019 22:41:00 GMT
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Post by antonio on Apr 6, 2019 4:47:45 GMT
Is it only me who cannot see the latest photos?
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Post by macca on Apr 6, 2019 7:05:20 GMT
Is it only me who cannot see the latest photos? No, they don't show for me either, just a 'no entry' sign. if the Rotel power amp will work with a passive then it will work with the DCB1 and possibly be better so worth try. I don't agree that the DCB1 is the same as an active, because it has no gain. So despite having a buffer it will not go loud enough into some power amps, this is not the case with an active pre-amp.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2019 8:13:13 GMT
I share the photos via google and had to change my password yesterday... that seems to have broken the links - I can’t see the pics here either
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2019 8:19:17 GMT
I tried something similar to that a few years back. It didnt seem to help. I also tried an MF buffer which made a difference but i couldn't say if it was better or worse. In theory, nothing should be able to improve on a single input passive, after all you just attenuate the signal with the best attenuator you can then pass it on unmolested...
Are the photos working now? I can see them on the PC, but not on the phone, I wonder if the PC has them cached?
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 6, 2019 8:24:41 GMT
I could see them yesterday but not today,
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Post by macca on Apr 6, 2019 8:58:27 GMT
. In theory, nothing should be able to improve on a single input passive, after all you just attenuate the signal with the best attenuator you can then pass it on unmolested... Absolutely right but some say that impedance matching matters with solid state power amps (but not with valve amps as they have very high input impedance). I was using an NVA P90SA with is arguably as good a passive as you will find and has none of the issues I described when used with an NVA solid state power amp which is of course optimised for it, but the DCB1 (when it is working!) is a big improvement over the passive with the Krell.
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Post by antonio on Apr 6, 2019 11:21:44 GMT
I'm still getting the No Entry sign.
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Post by macca on Apr 6, 2019 11:42:58 GMT
Me too. Story of my life mate.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 19:58:55 GMT
OK, lets try this again they are all in here
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Post by macca on Apr 11, 2019 20:04:08 GMT
Proper Tannoys and a proper TEAC. Very nice.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2019 20:22:16 GMT
Proper Tannoys and a proper TEAC. Very nice. I take it the link to the album worked 🤣. My interconnects are ‘functional’, as in they work despite appearances
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Post by antonio on Apr 12, 2019 5:15:58 GMT
Link worked for me, thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2019 11:34:33 GMT
Well I can’t hear a significant difference between this pot and the real DACT version. I’m not sure I can hear any difference to be honest.... £10 vs £140....
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 17, 2019 14:55:15 GMT
Well I can’t hear a significant difference between this pot and the real DACT version. I’m not sure I can hear any difference to be honest.... £10 vs £140.... Does that mean the cheapie is a real bargain? Looks that way to me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2019 15:49:28 GMT
I’d say so Someone with better ears may spot some differences but it’s cheaper than an alps blue and sounds better so nowt to lose there The box is a bargain too
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2019 17:20:02 GMT
Got a link to the DACT Knock-off?
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