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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 22:20:21 GMT
Think you have a decent and potent Hi-Fi?
There are so many sounds that no system can even get close to reproducing realistically. Think about it...... a jet plane taking off, formula 1 racing, explosions, large rockets taking off, drag racing, a big rock band and so many more.
The loudest noise in recorded human times was the Krakatoa eruption at an estimated 180db. I doubt a pair of 15" drivers could quite manage to give an impression of that.
Top Fuel dragsters are the loudest (and most powerful) form of motorsport. The noise is quite overpoweringly loud, I've never heard anything come close. Here's a sample from Youtube if you want to try it, your system will be totally incapable of rendering it properly. All you'll get is an imression:
No doubt the recording is also just an impression, as no mic could cope with the real sound levels, as they are in the region of 150db.
By the way, the loudest sound possible at ground level in 'normal' conditions is 194db!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 13:43:45 GMT
 Now that is music to my ears.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 14:07:45 GMT
Now that is music to my ears. I gather there's a decent drag racing scene in SA. It's pretty good here. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2019 14:58:56 GMT
Used to go regularly and watch was into the street cars, have not been for years, sort of lost interest when the 4cyl turbos started blowing the doors of the 8's. Wizz pop pop not the same is it. Plus it got yuppie and very commercial was a lot of fun in the 70's very early 80's when you could walk around and mix with all the cars, now you got stay in your place. Remember going to the SA F1 GP's in the 70's and wondering around the pits and even talking to the drivers.
Still go to the classic bike meets and races that is very informal.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 11:15:09 GMT
As far as rockets taking off are concerned, there's also the vibrational aspect of the sound wave. The Saturn V caused severe damage to buildings 3 miles away at launch. The military have put the effect into creating LF energy weapons.
This is awesome. Sounds good on headphones anyway:
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2019 13:26:06 GMT
I love the noise this thing makes
Its in the Nick Mason book 'Into the Red'
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2019 14:29:02 GMT
I love the noise this thing makes Its in the Nick Mason book 'Into the Red' Good sounding machine! Reminds me of the noise my loony Kawasaki H1 bike used to make. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 0:17:51 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 5:50:30 GMT
If your system is digital then it will never accurately reproduce percussion..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 6:27:43 GMT
If your system is digital then it will never accurately reproduce percussion.. Codswallop! You stuck in the groove Dude. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 6:29:50 GMT
If your system is digital then it will never accurately reproduce percussion.. No system will reproduce percussion. They’ll try, but it won’t be that accurate because it’s so hard to record properly. |
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Post by macca on Sept 26, 2019 6:34:33 GMT
If your system is digital then it will never accurately reproduce percussion.. On the contrary if your system is not digital then it won't accurately reproduce anything. Although no mic is perfect so no recording is an accurate reproduction of the sound that was made to begin with anyway. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 6:50:26 GMT
Digitally reproduced percussion does not sound as realistic as analog through a master tape direct to vinyl.
That's a fact.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 6:57:11 GMT
Digitally reproduced percussion does not sound as realistic as analog through a master tape direct to vinyl. That's a fact. . Vinyl can’t get near the dynamic range of a drum kit, not even close. It may have the timbre though. Here’s a slightly confusing one... my son has an electronic drum kit. It’s hooked up to some little Bose 201s (I know, Sh#t, see Spare Kit thread). So they are sampled drums. But the sound is so much more impactful than any record/cd/stream through my big system (not tried his kit through the big rig). I’m assuming it’s compression on the recordings but it’s not there with the samples so it’s certainly possible to make a decent job of sampling drums |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 7:00:43 GMT
It does indeed. And in some ways the timbre is the most important thing.
Let's face it , a drum machine is a digital imitation of a drum kit . And we all unarguably know how Sh#t they sound. There's been a drum kit played in this house regularly for 20 years until my daughter moved out. She's a Drum College trained percussionist and agrees totally with me on this . She has as absutely no time for digitally recorded drums . If an old record is important to her she'll mercilessly hunt down a none digital copy simply for the percussion if is possible.
And remember compresson is killing music , folks.
To say that nothing is reproduced accurately unless it's digital is one of the most nonsensical sentences I've ever read. It's absolutely as wrong as it's possible to be.
A magnetic master tape will destroy any digital and not even blink at it.
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Post by macca on Sept 26, 2019 7:39:50 GMT
A drum machine vs a set of drums isn't the same comparison as a digital recording vs an analogue recording. An analogue recording is noisy and lossy and the tape machine required to record it and play it back will introduce its own distortions.
Digital playback was a big step up in terms of fidelity to the recording. That is a fact.
What we personally prefer is a different matter.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 7:56:14 GMT
I disagree where percussion is concerned.
Unless we're supposed to fall into the
" measurements are everything" trap.
Which having a mind of my own , I dont.
Im assuming that seeing as I'm talking purely about percussion , that your talking from the experience of having a familiarity with the sound of real live drum kit and your not just believing other peoples tosh.
If you don't have any decent experience of live percussion then the discussion is void on your part obviously.
I've heard systems that measure well and logically should be accurate. .. and they sound diabolical and totally unrealistic. There's a lot of people out there not enjoying their music like they used to and not tapping their feet and telling themselves that it must be their ears and iui t must really sound good , cos it's digital .The saps .
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 26, 2019 7:59:28 GMT
I don’t understand or even care about the reasons but my vinyl replay sounds better than my digital. And my digital sounds better than any other digital I’ve heard or owned.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 8:01:20 GMT
So there ya go.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 9:48:16 GMT
Vinyl anal retentive's typical.
If it sounds good it is good, simple as that.
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 26, 2019 10:03:57 GMT
I Like your avatar. I haven’t seen that before
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 10:16:02 GMT
it should go viral, Greta Thunberg staring down the Wall Street Bull.
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 26, 2019 10:23:21 GMT
it should go viral, Greta Thunberg staring down the Wall Street Bull. It’s really cool. I’m not into art, but this one is a stunner. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 10:37:33 GMT
it should go viral, Greta Thunberg staring down the Wall Street Bull. The only thing that's likely to go viral around here is Flu. I'm off to book my annual jab shortly!  Greta Thunberg needs to piss off back to that 'special' school of hers. We don't need a clueless aspergic adolescent telling us how to run the world. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 10:52:42 GMT
And you are doing such a fine job of running the world, who can argue with that!
The rest of your remark does not deserve a response.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 11:05:16 GMT
Yeah it doesn't really deserve flippant remarks does it ?
I mean she might be an annoying little bugger but we're not exactly excelling are we on the looking after the planet front ?
If the kids can't have an impact who can. And they're perfectly entitled to. Probably more than anyone else .
If being annoying is what it's gonna take then more power to their elbows.
Annous me a bit though when I see people protesting with a placard in one hand and a fecking plastic water bottle in the other !
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That's the most serious post I've ever done !
I'll try not to do it again. 😏
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Post by macca on Sept 26, 2019 11:30:17 GMT
I disagree where percussion is concerned. Unless we're supposed to fall into the " measurements are everything" trap. Which having a mind of my own , I dont. Im assuming that seeing as I'm talking purely about percussion , that your talking from the experience of having a familiarity with the sound of real live drum kit and your not just believing other peoples tosh. If you don't have any decent experience of live percussion then the discussion is void on your part obviously. I've heard systems that measure well and logically should be accurate. .. and they sound diabolical and totally unrealistic. There's a lot of people out there not enjoying their music like they used to and not tapping their feet and telling themselves that it must be their ears and iui t must really sound good , cos it's digital .The saps . One place I lived we used to have a full drum kit set up in the living room, just to knock about with. Also been to a lot of soundchecks as used to do event security. So yes, I know what percussion sounds like.
First there is always going to be a difference between the sound of a live drumkit and the sound of a recorded drumkit. No matter what you record it on. That's before the engineer applies all sorts of tweaks to the basic tracks to get the sound he wants.
'I've heard systems that measure well and logically should be accurate'
Yeah, a lot of anti-measurement people say that as though it's some sort of revelation, but the fact is they've no real idea if the crappy sounding system 'measured well'. They didn't measure it did they? And measuring everyhthing that matters is not a trivial task. Just because an amplifier states 0.001% THD at !kHz doesn't mean it 'measures well'.
Put it this way, any system that sounds poor will not measure well. Most recordings sound really good because they were made with that sole intent in mind. So if the system measures well then recordings will sound really good on it.
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 26, 2019 11:36:00 GMT
I disagree where percussion is concerned. Unless we're supposed to fall into the " measurements are everything" trap. Which having a mind of my own , I dont. Im assuming that seeing as I'm talking purely about percussion , that your talking from the experience of having a familiarity with the sound of real live drum kit and your not just believing other peoples tosh. If you don't have any decent experience of live percussion then the discussion is void on your part obviously. I've heard systems that measure well and logically should be accurate. .. and they sound diabolical and totally unrealistic. There's a lot of people out there not enjoying their music like they used to and not tapping their feet and telling themselves that it must be their ears and iui t must really sound good , cos it's digital .The saps . One place I lived we used to have a full drum kit set up in the living room, just to knock about with. Also been to a lot of soundchecks as used to do event security. So yes, I know what percussion sounds like.
First there is always going to be a difference between the sound of a live drumkit and the sound of a recorded drumkit. No matter what you record it on. That's before the engineer applies all sorts of tweaks to the basic tracks to get the sound he wants.
'I've heard systems that measure well and logically should be accurate'
Yeah, a lot of anti-measurement people say that as though it's some sort of revelation, but the fact is they've no real idea if the crappy sounding system 'measured well'. They didn't measure it did they? And measuring everyhthing that matters is not a trivial task. Just because an amplifier states 0.001% THD at !kHz doesn't mean it 'measures well'.
Put it this way, any system that sounds poor will not measure well. Most recordings sound really good because they were made with that sole intent in mind. So if the system measures well then recordings will sound really good on it.
I’ve experienced a drum kit in a living room. No way would I want that as a experience from my hifi. Nor would I want it next door lol I’d say that even more unequivocally for electric guitar, trumpets and even saxophones. The sort of SPLs many instruments churn out would damage your ears for one thing. I know I’m digressing a bit, but it’s onky to make the point that I don’t want to be six feet away from anything reproducing the dynamics and SPLs of many instruments. |
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Post by macca on Sept 26, 2019 11:43:17 GMT
Nobody does, it's why they do an awful lot more to recordings than just record a bloke playing an instrument and stick it straight on an LP (or whatever) and sell it.
Lots of people don't get that though - look at that Steve Guttenberg video I posted about the other day. A lifetime in the hi-fi industry, doesn't even understand the basics of recording.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2019 11:47:59 GMT
I used to play cornet/trumpet in a band (brass band and concert band) so I do have many years of experience of live instruments. No analogue system can reproduce the dynamics of a live instrument or band, but they do seem to get the tone and timbre more accurately, so they sound more real. A digital system should be able to do both and I suspect given the right quality material, they can - and bear in mind, the majority of recordings have been through a digital desk for many many years now, so your 'analogue' recording is only analogue at the point of playback. If that still sounds amazing, the digital stages have (by definition) not harmed the recording.
My sons Roland e-kit gets me though. It works with multi-sampled sounds. Forget whether it sounds 'as good' as a real kit, it is so much more dynamic than a real kit played from a CD. So it must be compression on the recordings.
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Now that is music to my ears. 
