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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 2, 2019 13:53:27 GMT
The ESL57's with Quads limiters in, sounded even more amazing driven by a (now safe for them) 66/606. Lovely system that was I remember. Off topic, Dave so I apologise, but I have to ask: The 34 is a piss poor preamp. Is the 66 much better? Reason I ask is I like the 66Cd and I like the 606. It’s never been a viable dabble because no quad preamp I’ve heard was anything above dire,
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Post by dsjr on Mar 2, 2019 14:19:25 GMT
The high output impedance can play total havoc with modern 4 - 6 ohm speakers with roller-coaster impedance curves. Mind you, anything with 'Radford' on guarantees audiophile interest and good sales off the top of it, so sincerely, all the very best with that (I'm not being sarcastic). To be fair, in the case of the Radford, the output impedance is only around 0.2 ohms in the midband, rising slightly at either frequency extreme. My new design aims to equal or better this, with less rise at the extremes. I've not directly measured the output impedance of the prototype yet but for what it's worth I've stuck a 1 ohm resistor across the speaker with it playing with no noticeable reduction in output (apart from current limiting at higher levels at a very hot resistor in my hand!). Highly unscientific but tells me it's going to be a small fraction of a ohm. I am sorry, I was looking at the Copland more. I do appreciate how advanced the radford output transformers were back then, and still are it appears. All this fervour makes me wish I could have got my own STA25 properly recapped (leaking supply caps) back in the mid to late 70's, but sadly, the first valve renaissance hadn't fully happened yet and our own (excellent on ss amps) service dept all but laughed at me as regards servicing it I rep,kaced it with a CB naim 160 in 1980 or so and to be honest, it didn't sound any worse...
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Post by dsjr on Mar 2, 2019 14:41:22 GMT
The ESL57's with Quads limiters in, sounded even more amazing driven by a (now safe for them) 66/606. Lovely system that was I remember. Off topic, Dave so I apologise, but I have to ask: The 34 is a piss poor preamp. Is the 66 much better? Reason I ask is I like the 66Cd and I like the 606. It’s never been a viable dabble because no quad preamp I’ve heard was anything above dire, My findings and maybe it'd be better to create another thread for this... The 33 is clean but severely band limited *deliberately* to get the best safest use of a 303, which does funny things below 30hz, especially into 57 speakers.. Dada updated with BC155 transistors too running at the higher voltage rail, mine sounds very good if a little bright (even with the output buffer lf filtering 'relaxed' a little). The 44 and 34 both had significant changes (44 especially) in their lives and the benefits were audible (44 especially). The typical 34 is rather 'foggy' and 'lack lustre' to me when passing music with any percussion in it. Dada do some excellent updates involving op amps and caps, Another 34 tweak was to raise the line input impedances which helped, but the gain went down. Late phono socket equipped 44's were pretty good and very versatile and up to naim standards by then I feel (memories though). Now the 66. Two major versions inside I gather (from the Dada update files) and it'd be helpful to get a late one which was more reliable I gather (dry joints and so on). I liked this one as the sound was light and airy, lacking to me, the closed-in quality of some earlier Quad pres and the dry, bright and almost ballistic side of a Naim, or the slightly 'enclosed/band limited' Linn Lk1. With a 606, delightful as was the FM6 tuner.
One which still gets overlooked is the 77 preamp. To me, if it sonically goes wrong at all, it's in terms of sweetness of tone. I loved it to bits and should have kept my mint unused one and never should have bought the Bryston BP25 which took so damned long to 'warm up' - several hours and it was readily repeatable too! The 77 has a delightful MC/MM phono stage, good line and output buffer and sounds so damned musical to me. the one iffy thing was the two-way remote control it has. I bought mine from a dealer 'trade traded-in value' for £150 and sold it for £200 I remember. I'll never see another one anywhere near this price!
The 66 CD player is one that needs a good mains filter, even as a transport. Quad stayed absolutely to the Philips circuit, where Marantz used different caps all round the decoder chip - bottom of this page discusses the 66CD player -
HFN didn't care for the 66CD player, but I felt that just adding a decent filter/ferrites on the main input sorted it (originally a 4A rated Croft made filter but later, the Roxburgh 6A one). All subjective, but repeatable for me. The 67 CD wasn't so fussy I recall....
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 2, 2019 14:58:23 GMT
Creating this thread for all quad discussion going forward, it has lots of potential. I began with a post from DSJR. We can continue to discuss Quad here and leave Radford it’s own thread.
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Post by macca on Mar 2, 2019 16:05:48 GMT
I have copy of HFR with a review of the 66 system when it came out. Noel Keywood. he liked it but then he did have a thing for QUAD anyway. I could not imagine ever being able to afford it at the time but I did like the look of it:
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2019 17:15:26 GMT
CURRENT DUMPING........Ha Ha Ha.
I laugh in the face of current dumping.
Eh.......Wot is it ?
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 2, 2019 17:15:28 GMT
It’s lovely. I always had a thing for the looks. Sits well with a 606 on a quad stand too.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2019 17:20:19 GMT
Current Dumping...........
Not Current Dumpling Westie. (though thats well tasty)
Pay attention.
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 2, 2019 17:38:12 GMT
I tried reading up to see if I could follow, but there was nothing simole enough for me. I have heard layman’s explanations before and I remember that it’s a two stage amplification circuit that’s meanstto overcome crossover distortion. It’s how it does it that I can’t find a good explanation of.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2019 17:41:14 GMT
Dave......Call back.
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Post by dsjr on Mar 2, 2019 18:30:32 GMT
My old Crowns have an AB circuit as a driver stage, the output devices being switched off until needed. The result is a top notch pro amp which barely gets off stone cold when on for hours, uses local feedback loops which apparently is good for sonics and which have shown incredibly long tough and reliable lives bar the odd cap here and there. I've no real idea how different the Current Dumping circuit is (maybe they're not related at all) but again, the driver stage does all the 'low volume' stuff and the output 'dumpers' I understand only kick in when necessary. It's obviously more complex than that and today, not really necessary as modern transistors are so much more capable apparently, but the highlights have really been the 606 'family' and the pro 500 models. Good 405-2's can entertain too but both of mine needed several hours to remove a very slight 'sting' from the high frequencies (about half an hour with the power hungry ATC20's which made my second 405-2 almost cook itself )
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 2, 2019 19:17:31 GMT
IIRC that’s the sort of explanation I saw for the quad 405
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Post by dsjr on Mar 2, 2019 22:39:13 GMT
Quad came up to date with the 77 and derived 99 series systems. These amps were straight AB designs and still sounded lovely (maybe the preamp sections were sexing it up a touch. Whatever, the sound of the 77 amps was always atmospheric, basically sweet and 'musical' but with drive and definition if there originally and definitely not soft and lush as my description may indicate. Loved 'em to bits at the time.
Listening with my eyes, I found the 606 a bit much to take, purely on appearances! the Elite QSP beefed the visuals up a bit and the Artera version looks cute when powered (and a shinier 606 breeze block when switched off). Since these amps were never intended to be put on show, it obviously didn't matter.
I'm trying to find the model name (prestige?) but Quad made a large stereo power amp - 200WPC+ into 8 ohms that was an AB design and apparently it's superb (HFW tested it but I think I chucked the mag itself recently).
Compared to the likes of macca's Krell and my D-150, I'd say the bigger Quad power amps have slightly more of a velvet coating over the undeniable iron fist underneath, so may sound slightly 'darker' perhaps. These differences are very small and must admit my listening session with the Artera pair wasn't so different in 'feel' to the Sonneteer Alabaster my dealer pal connected immediately after and I loved them both.
I'd also like to hear the new version of the Vena, which is very well priced, solid in feel (not tinny) and actually not expensive for what it does.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2019 22:55:38 GMT
Well I've got a nice mint Quad 306 and a 707. Not been using them much though lately, having too much fun with the little seventeen quid TPA3116 amp.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 8:21:09 GMT
Lovely looking 909 for sale on AOS at a very fair £460 delivered. Iron fist in velvet glove amplification!
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 19, 2019 9:02:45 GMT
Lovely looking 909 for sale on AOS at a very fair £460 delivered. Iron fist in velvet glove amplification! The prices of The 606, 707 and 909 are a bargain staring audiophiles in the face. When they rocket up over the next few years, people will be wishing they had stockpiled them. They are the LS3/as of the future in terms of investment value.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 16:44:36 GMT
overcome crossover distortion. It’s how it does it that I can’t find a good explanation of. That 80's Technics amp with their' New Class A/A' are so good at
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