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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 5:17:30 GMT
A popular thread so I thought I would resurrect it, instead of locking it, it might have been better just wiping all content below Jezz's outburst.
Well im glad the govt has revoked her UK citizenship.
Labour is non to happy though...!!
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 20, 2019 6:35:06 GMT
We should be able to disagree without it getting so personal, guys. This is how political debate gets banned on forums. I’d far rather we were able to let threads run without having to intervene. Folk are always going to disagree. It’s usually about stuff none of us can do anything about, so chill a bit.
I get that it’s an emotive subject, but none of us know her and it’s unlikely our paths will ever cross.......unless Jezza Corbyn gets to be PM and overturns yesterday’s decision. On the strength of the last couple of days, that’s looking increasingly unlikely.
As much as I don’t want her back in Britain I’d be sorely tempted to accept a swap with Bangladesh if they were to take old Jezza in return.
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 20, 2019 6:38:14 GMT
I wonder if she could have been reformed by connecting her to a grounding box? They work in mysterious ways, apparently.
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Post by myles on Feb 20, 2019 7:08:37 GMT
The hate and stupidity would be converted into heat by the collection of magic beans, sorry compounds in the box.
I wonder if someone is sleeping off an awful hangover this morning?!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 8:30:50 GMT
I locked it because it was getting personal and felt people needed a cooling off period.
If this goes the same way, this thread and any future thread on the subject will be deleted.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 8:59:14 GMT
So she will get citizenship elsewhere and make her way back to the UK as a refugee.
It would be interesting to see what will happen if her and her child attempt to enter the UK.
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Post by nonuffin on Feb 20, 2019 9:53:24 GMT
We should be able to disagree without it getting so personal, guys. This is how political debate gets banned on forums. I’d far rather we were able to let threads run without having to intervene. Folk are always going to disagree. It’s usually about stuff none of us can do anything about, so chill a bit. It is healthy debate to disagree Andrew and I have locked horns with Macca several times without resorting to the kind of public foul mouthed personal tirade that Mr Arkless let loose on poor Martin, especially so when he didn't deserve it. Macca does a pretty good job already of being a nob at times LOL
It takes a mature mind to see that most of the comments made in that thread were not at all based upon reality that anyone should actually bomb women and children in refugee camps, more a form of mental retaliation for the harm that those evil thugs with weapons are inflicting upon innocents in this country and all around europe. We only live in the fantasy world of shooting them, whereas they make it a shocking reality of purposely harming us.
I seriously doubt if any criminal or terrorist related charges could be brought against the woman, but I'm sure the common consensus is that she had or even has any respect at all for this country, given that she went off to bathe in the glory that a calliphate land would no doubt bestow upon her, but just because the calliphate no longer exists she should not return to the country she obviously despises.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 10:22:17 GMT
You also have to bear in mind that she was still a minor when she left.
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Post by savvypaul on Feb 20, 2019 10:28:55 GMT
You also have to bear in mind that she was still a minor when she left. Emotional responses very rarely take facts into account. Also see 'Brexit'...  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 10:33:43 GMT
We should be able to disagree without it getting so personal, guys. This is how political debate gets banned on forums. I’d far rather we were able to let threads run without having to intervene. Folk are always going to disagree. It’s usually about stuff none of us can do anything about, so chill a bit.
I seriously doubt if any criminal or terrorist related charges could be brought against the woman, but I'm sure the common consensus is that she had or even has any respect at all for this country, given that she went off to bathe in the glory that a calliphate land would no doubt bestow upon her, but just because the calliphate no longer exists she should not return to the country she obviously despises.
Essentially she is being punished for not being a hypocrite. Had she said, in effect, 'Isis were a truly evil bunch, Britain is wonderful, I'm truly sorry about what I've done', there'd probably have been less fuss made about her re-admission. |
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Post by myles on Feb 20, 2019 12:31:09 GMT
I seriously doubt if any criminal or terrorist related charges could be brought against the woman, but I'm sure the common consensus is that she had or even has any respect at all for this country, given that she went off to bathe in the glory that a calliphate land would no doubt bestow upon her, but just because the calliphate no longer exists she should not return to the country she obviously despises.
Essentially she is being punished for not being a hypocrite. Had she said, in effect, 'Isis were a truly evil bunch, Britain is wonderful, I'm truly sorry about what I've done', there'd probably have been less fuss made about her re-admission. ....which was the brief given to all their recruits by IS prior to their defeat in Syria. She couldn't even do that. |
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Post by sq225917 on Feb 20, 2019 15:58:51 GMT
Let's put this into perspective.
A girl under the age of adult consent and the age of sexual consent was groomed by adults, taken by adults to another country, forced to marry and have kids.
Now if she was a white child from rotherham who ended up being indoctrinated into a white supremacist group and forced to marry and have kids would you feel the same way about possible forgiveness.
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Post by firebottle on Feb 20, 2019 16:08:44 GMT
I don't see where the colour comes into it, it is the association with terrorist bastards that is the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 16:44:14 GMT
Let's put this into perspective. A girl under the age of adult consent and the age of sexual consent was groomed by adults, taken by adults to another country, forced to marry and have kids. Now if she was a white child from rotherham who ended up being indoctrinated into a white supremacist group and forced to marry and have kids would you feel the same way about possible forgiveness. That's a fair point. However, she didn't join Islamic state by accident and they have historically used children to their advantage. The reason, and only reason she's had her citizenship revoked is that she has dual nationality. She isn't stateless. If she'd been entirely British, there's a much larger chance she'd be back. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 17:15:07 GMT
Let's put this into perspective. A girl under the age of adult consent and the age of sexual consent was groomed by adults, taken by adults to another country, forced to marry and have kids. Now if she was a white child from rotherham who ended up being indoctrinated into a white supremacist group and forced to marry and have kids would you feel the same way about possible forgiveness. That's a fair point. However, she didn't join Islamic state by accident and they have historically used children to their advantage. The reason, and only reason she's had her citizenship revoked is that she has dual nationality. She isn't stateless. If she'd been entirely British, there's a much larger chance she'd be back. Actually the idea she has dual nationality appears to something trumped up by the home secretary. No way is she Bangladeshi and I don't see they have any obligation to admit her as a citizen. Frankly this is political posturing and having seen the interview I think the BBC reporter was out to set her up. It's likely she is mentally damaged as some of her comments don't make sense. Not long ago they were trying to get these girls back. Perhaps govt should concentrate on dealing with the real islamic killers. I agree with Trump that we should bring them back and deal with them. Govt hope they are someone else's problem. Now I am usually hard on these people but some compassion should be shown to women who are no more than slaves to the Islamic fighters. Javid is a prize asshole like much of the govt. If it wasn't for Brexit and no majority half of them would have been booted by May and replace by more competent MPs. Even Jacob Rees Mogg has stated on question time that we are obliged to let people back in under international law and in fact they have let hundreds back since in those cases there has been no embarrassing press publicity in those cases. I can see this going to European court of human rights and govt looking like right twats again. This is all about a good news story and playing politics. |
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Post by macca on Feb 20, 2019 17:48:48 GMT
We should be able to disagree without it getting so personal, guys. This is how political debate gets banned on forums. I’d far rather we were able to let threads run without having to intervene. Folk are always going to disagree. It’s usually about stuff none of us can do anything about, so chill a bit. It is healthy debate to disagree Andrew and I have locked horns with Macca several times without resorting to the kind of public foul mouthed personal tirade that Mr Arkless let loose on poor Martin, especially so when he didn't deserve it. Macca does a pretty good job already of being a nob at times LOL
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 18:06:33 GMT
That's a fair point. However, she didn't join Islamic state by accident and they have historically used children to their advantage. The reason, and only reason she's had her citizenship revoked is that she has dual nationality. She isn't stateless. If she'd been entirely British, there's a much larger chance she'd be back. Actually the idea she has dual nationality appears to something trumped up by the home secretary. No way is she Bangladeshi and I don't see they have any obligation to admit her as a citizen. Frankly this is political posturing and having seen the interview I think the BBC reporter was out to set her up. It's likely she is mentally damaged as some of her comments don't make sense. Not long ago they were trying to get these girls back. Perhaps govt should concentrate on dealing with the real islamic killers. I agree with Trump that we should bring them back and deal with them. Govt hope they are someone else's problem. Now I am usually hard on these people but some compassion should be shown to women who are no more than slaves to the Islamic fighters. Javid is a prize asshole like much of the govt. If it wasn't for Brexit and no majority half of them would have been booted by May and replace by more competent MPs. Even Jacob Rees Mogg has stated on question time that we are obliged to let people back in under international law and in fact they have let hundreds back since in those cases there has been no embarrassing press publicity in those cases. I can see this going to European court of human rights and govt looking like right twats again. This is all about a good news story and playing politics. My news source must be crap because I thought the dual nationality English/Ethiopian. |
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Post by myles on Feb 20, 2019 18:28:17 GMT
Actually the idea she has dual nationality appears to something trumped up by the home secretary. No way is she Bangladeshi and I don't see they have any obligation to admit her as a citizen. Frankly this is political posturing and having seen the interview I think the BBC reporter was out to set her up. It's likely she is mentally damaged as some of her comments don't make sense. Not long ago they were trying to get these girls back. Perhaps govt should concentrate on dealing with the real islamic killers. I agree with Trump that we should bring them back and deal with them. Govt hope they are someone else's problem. Now I am usually hard on these people but some compassion should be shown to women who are no more than slaves to the Islamic fighters. Javid is a prize asshole like much of the govt. If it wasn't for Brexit and no majority half of them would have been booted by May and replace by more competent MPs. Even Jacob Rees Mogg has stated on question time that we are obliged to let people back in under international law and in fact they have let hundreds back since in those cases there has been no embarrassing press publicity in those cases. I can see this going to European court of human rights and govt looking like right twats again. This is all about a good news story and playing politics. My news source must be crap because I thought the dual nationality English/Ethiopian. Ethiopia was a red herring; one of the other two girls had family links to Ethiopia. I was caught out by it too. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 18:30:40 GMT
Ah I see. Yes, just read the correct information. Seems she'd never been to Bangladesh.
I do wonder if she'd want to come back if she hadn't been left alone as her Isis husband is now imprisoned and she's in a refugee camp.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2019 18:36:14 GMT
You also have to bear in mind that she was still a minor when she left. Emotional responses very rarely take facts into account. Also see 'Brexit'... There was nothing emotional about my response. You also have to remember who ever brain washed her is probably still at large in the U.K. |
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Post by savvypaul on Feb 20, 2019 18:49:43 GMT
Emotional responses very rarely take facts into account. Also see 'Brexit'... There was nothing emotional about my response. You also have to remember who ever brain washed her is probably still at large in the U.K. Exactly. You were posting balance and facts. (Most of) the others were posting knee-jerk reactions. |
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Post by sq225917 on Feb 20, 2019 20:09:52 GMT
I believe, if as claimed, her mum is Bangladeshi then she retains default dual citizenship until the age of 21. If she doesn't ask for it to be confirmed before the age of 21 then its rescinded by Bangladesh.
So the question is whether her mum is Bangladeshi or not.
I suspect Javid knows the answer to this already and is just posturing to look tough. I neither like nor trust him.
I pity her. But law should and will decide the outcome, not emotion or posturing.
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 20, 2019 21:26:44 GMT
Ah I see. Yes, just read the correct information. Seems she'd never been to Bangladesh. I do wonder if she'd want to come back if she hadn't been left alone as her Isis husband is now imprisoned and she's in a refugee camp. I hear it’s lovely there this time of year. Perfect time for her to book a trip. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 20, 2019 22:00:29 GMT
OK, we’ve discussed whether she should be allowed back into the U.K. Thoughts on whether she WILL get back. Same goes for the sprig.
I reckon they will both end up back here. Perhaps not via the same processes but I expect the Government will be forced to give way once the likes of Annesty International get involved and start fighting it legally.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 6:16:17 GMT
Time will tell Westie.
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Post by sq225917 on Feb 22, 2019 19:29:10 GMT
I wonder why we are hearing so much about this. We didn't hear bugger all when Captain Hook's young lad tried to come back after fighting in Syria. How come all this fuss wasn't made for the son of Abu Hamza, yet there's loads for her. is it because the press knows the child angle will play and play, enabling them to pit the left against the right, the caring and forgiving against those who aren't? Of course it bloody is.
It's this simple, due process will take its course and she'll either be allowed back or not and that will be the right decision for the nation, and we'll either like the outcome, or we won't. But ultimately it makes no difference to any of us and we feel a bit better because we get to vent our spleens a little and fight amongst ourselves.
It's all just distraction lads, we're being fucked over by a system that we fund, yet have no control over, only the illusion of choice.
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 22, 2019 21:05:49 GMT
I wonder why we are hearing so much about this. We didn't hear bugger all when Captain Hook's young lad tried to come back after fighting in Syria. How come all this fuss wasn't made for the son of Abu Hamza, yet there's loads for her. is it because the press knows the child angle will play and play, enabling them to pit the left against the right, the caring and forgiving against those who aren't? Of course it bloody is. It's this simple, due process will take its course and she'll either be allowed back or not and that will be the right decision for the nation, and we'll either like the outcome, or we won't. But ultimately it makes no difference to any of us and we feel a bit better because we get to vent our spleens a little and fight amongst ourselves. It's all just distraction lads, we're being fucked over by a system that we fund, yet have no control over, only the illusion of choice. We definitely need a double thumbs-up option for posts like this. |
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