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Post by Bigman80 on Jan 18, 2019 18:12:11 GMT
Some folk swear by copper, others love silver. Multi strand or solid core? Thick or thin... or maybe even flat. Plugs do/don’t matter ? Mains cables do/don’t matter? Short speaker cables and long interconnects or vice versa? What about bi-wiring?
I used to have rules on many of these topics, but cable and separates changes have led me to have very few set rules. I won’t spend a packet on mains cables and the best speaker cables I’ve heard are diy ones. Beyond that, I’m very much “suck it and see”.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 18:49:53 GMT
Not going down that road, sure there are differences. But I have never come across any cable that makes enough of an improvement to warrant spending silly money.
Seen it two many times, guys throwing money at cables, trying to give their systems a boost, or in an attempt to stop it sounding like an Ice Pick. To me they are just glorified tone controls. Differences do not necessarily mean an improvement just different that's all. Bi wiring for the most part it is a marketing gimmick. That being said there are some speakers where it does make them sound a lot better, for example more headroom.
Usually make my own, that works fine for me. Plugs; now here is a funny one my mate whom we call the cable guy, as he is obsessed with cables. asks me if I have some good quality bananas for him. Happened to have some expensive Furetech ones (20 Quid each) somebody gave them to me. Told him he could have them if he had some cheapies for me. So we did the deal and he gave me some reasonably priced Nagamichi's. He phones me and says those expensive ones made no difference and some of the screws stripped when he put them on. Had no issue with the Nagamichi's at all, screws went in nice and tight and they were a better tighter fit in the speaker posts. Cost about a quid each in your money
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Post by macca on Jan 18, 2019 19:48:36 GMT
Interconnects sound different depending on the nature of the two boxes you are stringing them between. Same cable, different boxes, different effect. Same with speaker cable but to a lesser extent. I wouldn't recommend any cables to anyone unless I'd already tried the exact same combination of cables and kit or very similar.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jan 18, 2019 21:05:57 GMT
Interconnects sound different depending on the nature of the two boxes you are stringing them between. Same cable, different boxes, different effect. Same with speaker cable but to a lesser extent. I wouldn't recommend any cables to anyone unless I'd already tried the exact same combination of cables and kit or very similar. Lately I’m finding that the better the amp and speakers, the less impact cables have. Kinda the opposite I’m for what I used to believe
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 22:17:23 GMT
Interconnects sound different depending on the nature of the two boxes you are stringing them between. Same cable, different boxes, different effect. Same with speaker cable but to a lesser extent. I wouldn't recommend any cables to anyone unless I'd already tried the exact same combination of cables and kit or very similar. Lately I’m finding that the better the amp and speakers, the less impact cables have. Kinda the opposite I’m for what I used to believe Never noticed such a correlation. But then, I've not looked for it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 14:18:44 GMT
I always ensure that the cable is long enough to connect the things that need connecting.
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Post by nonuffin on Jan 20, 2019 15:04:55 GMT
Lately I’m finding that the better the amp and speakers, the less impact cables have. Kinda the opposite I’m for what I used to believe I have found the opposite.
Listen chaps, you are all looking at the subject of cables from the wrong perspective and here is your starting point: Forget the notion about how "wonderful" expense fancy upgrade cables are, but use the starting point of how flawed and inadequate the cheap cables are. My best advice is to put any "freebie" straight into the bin and spend at least a tenner on something that has a decent gauge of quality wire.
That's as much as I want to say on the subject as it would be far easier to teach my cat to eat it's dinner with chopsticks than to knock some sense into anyone else
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 15:17:30 GMT
A good cable regardless of what material it is made from shouldn't give you anything at all. it should allow everything that you have put together in your system to be heard without coloration or without any influence or as little influence as possible.
when you hear the likes of rg316, it is blatantly obvious that there is an effect being had by the silver coating on top of the copper coating on top of the steel. the same with silver-plated copper, there is an effect that that has, so in my opinion if you want silver you should buy good silver and if you want, you should buy good copper and if you do that you won't go far wrong.
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Post by pauld on Jan 20, 2019 17:38:48 GMT
The best cables I have ever heard are the ones I’m currently using, Coherent 5D, I have tried many alternatives but nothing has come close. I do accept these aren’t cheap but they were worth it to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 18:56:28 GMT
Things were simpler early 70s.....
Captive mains leads / Patch interconnects / Bell Wire for speakers........etc
Zep, Sabbath, Purple, never sounded better though, or perhaps the passage of time has warped me head!!!!
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Post by nonuffin on Jan 20, 2019 22:38:31 GMT
Things were simpler early 70s..... Captive mains leads / Patch interconnects / Bell Wire for speakers........etc Zep, Sabbath, Purple, never sounded better though, or perhaps the passage of time has warped me head!!!! A big dollop of the rose tinted there Jamster.
Mind you, those artists certainly sounded better rough, ready and unpolished.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jan 20, 2019 22:46:32 GMT
My favourite interconnnect is Black Rhodium Polar Illuison. It has eichmann bullets fitted which I really like, too.
That said,I find the Sonneteer stuff is less fussy about cables than anything else I recall. It will tell you clearly what the differences are, but it won’t care and it will make great sound and music with pretty much everything reasonably good. I don’t want products that only sound good with certain cables. A decent product should be able to sound good with anything reasonably decent. “Diva” products are badly designed IMO.
I have some Isoda that I need to try. I just can’t be bothered because the sound I get pleases me greatly and cable differences these days seem to be the difference between fabulous and still fabulous but a little more or less so. I’m also not keen to go back to anything that uses non KLE/Eichmann plugs, because I love them so much.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 22:50:57 GMT
My favourite interconnnect is Black Rhodium Polar Illuison. It has eichmann bullets fitted which I really like, too. That said,I find the Sonneteer stuff is less fussy about cables than anything else I recall. It will tell you clearly what the differences are, but it won’t care and it will make great sound and music with pretty much everything reasonably good. I don’t want products that only sound good with certain cables. A decent product should be able to sound good with anything reasonably decent. “Diva” products are badly designed IMO. I have some Isoda that I need to try. I just can’t be bothered because the sound I get pleases me greatly and cable differences these days seem to be the difference between fabulous and still fabulous but a little more or less so. I’m also not keen to go back to anything that uses non KLE/Eichmann plugs, because I love them so much. Agree on the plugs.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 13:56:48 GMT
Yup, you cant beat the bullet.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 15:55:56 GMT
Yup, you cant beat the bullet. +1 AECO make excellent plugs based on the Eichmann. A lot cheaper than trying to find any new Eichmann. I had a fella who was selling me Eichmann plugs. He sold me about 4 seats for £35 a set. He sent a message saying he'd seen them for as much as £199 a set and wanted more money. I sent him a link to the AECO and said I wouldn't be buying any more. A good plug but the KLE are the best imo.
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Post by antonio on Jan 21, 2019 18:25:17 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 19:07:57 GMT
These look interesting! Another "Antonio find!" I'll have to get a set and try them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 19:33:26 GMT
I knew I'd seen them before: £20.51 | HiFi MPS Pioneer-8/10G HiFi Red Copper 24K Golden Plated RCA plug lotus For 8mm/10mm cable for CD DVD Amplifier DAC 1PCS s.click.aliexpress.com/e/VSn5ry5
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Post by Bigman80 on Jan 21, 2019 21:18:08 GMT
They do,look good.might be a good addition to the Isodaif I like it,
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Post by Bigman80 on Jan 21, 2019 21:21:14 GMT
I’ve said it befire but some expensive plugs feel worse than normal ones.im not a fan of WBT locking plugs and I can’t stand Neutrik Profis.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2019 21:47:07 GMT
I’ve said it befire but some expensive plugs feel worse than normal ones.im not a fan of WBT locking plugs and I can’t stand Neutrik Profis. Agreed
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Post by antonio on Jan 22, 2019 5:39:37 GMT
+2 on WBT locking plugs, a real PITA
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Post by Bigman80 on Jan 22, 2019 18:20:51 GMT
One rule I do follow with cables is that I never buy new. Rip off prices and significant loss when you sell on aren’t appealing to me.
Another is that I don’t pay daft money for a cable. Sure, I get that solid silver cables will cost, but they aren’t necessarily better than copper. I have heard some utter bollocks spouted by folk about “high end” speaker cables, interconnects and mains cables. Truth is, given a certain basic degree of quality, there’s is no reason why an expensive cable should beat a cheap one, other than the maker deciding he can get away with charging more. And that means little to me because cables are so subjective and system dependent.
A third rule is that I’d usually rather DIY as you get to experiment. My only bought cables are the Black Rhodium and only then because they beat my DIY ones. Doesn’t mean I will settle though. They have just raised the bar in terms of finding a DIY alternative. As I like the plugs so much and the cost is prohibitive. I may wait a while before dabbling.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 23:29:25 GMT
My next cable is very special. So Special in fact, i cant afford to make a full length pair lol
I was lucky enough to get about 8" of this cable, so not knowing what to do with it, i made a little set of interconnects. They are phenomenal but SO expensive to make right. One day i will get them made.
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