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Post by karma67 on Oct 28, 2018 15:26:03 GMT
So yesterday i spent an enjoyable day at Angus's house(Phonomac),Oliver (bigman80) and i were there to hear the latest upgraded AT-1010 tonearm,the MK6. Before hearing it we were shown the upgraded part,the bearing carrier has been remade using a high performance polymer,Angus has expertly machined this and it looked very impressive! we were also shown the original part and subsequent other ones,Angus explained the differences and how the MK6 carrier had evolved. Detail and finish on the MK6 also struck me as excellent. Next came the listening tests,first we heard a MK5 tonearm,id never heard any version of Audio Technica's top arm so i was somewhat in the dark as to how they sound. Very nice is the answer,id say in the same league as my recently sold Zeta and current arm,the PA-500 (also rebuilt by Angus). The tracks we listen to were tunnel of love by Dire straits and wish you were here by Pink Floyd. The arms were swapped over and the same tracks were played again,the difference was not subtle,tunnel of love had more pace,more energy right from the off but the thing that i noticed the most was the acoustic guitar at the beginning of wish you were here,the decay after the note/chord struck was very evident,something both Oliver and myself agreed,there is an obvious step up in arm performance with this bearing carrier upgrade, a veil had been lifted. I could go on about how good this arm is,if you have a mk5 then you already know the family sound,this latest version made such an impression i bought it,its now sitting very happily on my Sony which by the way is the best turntable ive owned to date,i heard it at Angus's for the first time yesterday,through my system its clearly a step up from my pioneer plc-590,it looses out a touch on looks but makes up for it when the needle goes down.:cool:
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 28, 2018 15:31:36 GMT
Well,done, Jamie. it looks incredible. What I like most is that you could’ve setttled for very good deck and arm some months ago, but you’ve gone out and done better again and again. So many people would’ve just settled for less.
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Post by karma67 on Oct 28, 2018 15:42:09 GMT
thanks mate,i like to think im done now with turntables,i normally sell the previous one to recoup funds but with the pioneer i just cant bring myself to do it! its such a looker.
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 28, 2018 16:47:37 GMT
No harm in having two decks, especially when you have two of the most desirable ones in forum land!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2018 21:15:47 GMT
What a privilege it was to be in attendance yesterday!!
The morning started off with a really thorough explanation and demonstration of how each version of the PMAT-1010 had progressed through each advancement. It was great to get this from Angus. What is blatantly apparent is just how passionate he is about details. How thorough his approach has been and the level of financial input he has put into developing these improvements to the standard arm.
Firstly, we got our ears dialed into Angus's system. As usual, we have used the same few tracks to get a feel for the system. The mark V PMAT-1010 was in and sounded very impressive in Angus's ruthlessly revealing system.
The Mark VI was installed and the energy in the performance blew me away. There was more resolution too. The high hat being played was easily identified as being played with the foot pedal rather than striking it. Not always easy to distinguish but the MKVI made it clear and obvious. On we went to "wish you were here" Later in the song, there is an accidental strike of guitar string. This causes a harmonic effect which is in the wrong key. Again, not always clear but with the MKVI it was clear to hear. There were other differences too, attack and decay were improved. The track "Best days of our lives" was instant, the bass guitar and cymbal strike slammed then stopped instantaneously on the opening bars. No smudge or smear. Digital levels of speed. Impressive.
As we listened, i loved the MKVI more and more. It was excellent but as always, i need mine to arrive so i can dissect it here in my system. I'll update the Phonomac thread when i have done this.
Then we put the Bigbottle phonostage in. We did some listening and as usual, there were differences in the performance. From a personal perspective, The addition of the phonostage made the sound more appealing to my ears but Jamie felt there was a bit of loss in the resolution. I didn't agree but i wouldn't I felt the presentation was different. Everything was still available and audible but had a bit of a slower delivery. I also felt there was a bit more sounstage depth but Angus disagreed. Like i say, these things are largely subjective and regardless of evey ones personal opinion, i would rather have had the Bigbottle in, than out.
What it did highlight was how good the Sansui's built in phonostage and Angus's Ortofon SUT performance is. It really is very revealing but in my view, it doesn't sound as natural from a tone perspective. We did generally all agree on the tone being more natural on the Bigbottle which was pleasing. It also excites me greatly that there may be a future project with Angus to replicate the Sansui phonostage from the Sansui-X1 amplifier. This is a phonostage that has been highlighted as potentially an end game unit, so fingers crossed we can get the ball rolling soon!
Next up, the bit i was looking forward to the most......the Sony TTS-8000
Angus fitted Jamies new MKVI tonearm along with Angus's Ortofon Vienna.
Down went the needle and..................................HMMMM?!
I was a little bit surprised. The sound was a bit thick, muddy almost. Angus suggested we put the Tenuto Platter mat on and we tried again.
FAR FAR better. The Sony is absolutely beautiful to look at. Visually, it floats my boat and was my all time favourite turntable. I wanted one before i bought the SP10 MK2 and had i got one i would have been a happy bunny. So how did the Sony sound?
Best way to describe it was by talking about everything else. The system Angus has built is very revealing and carries no prisoners. The detail retrieval is such that its blatant and smacks you in the face for your attention. What happened for me when the Bigbottle went in was the addition of organism filled-real life sound. However, the Sansui was in and here's the odd part. The Sony added the same kind Organism filled, life like quality to the sound.
The Sony wasn't as immediate or incisive sounding as the SP10, instead it was fluidity and liquidity personified. The sound poured out of the speakers in a similar way it does when you have good valve amps in the signal path. For me, the Sony was a beautiful Turntable which made me really enjoy the sound. The Sony couldn't match the SP10's drive of metronome like rhythmic drive but i don't think its supposed to. It does something else entirely. I read that it combines the best of belt drive and DD turntables and i think i agree. Whether thats something you want, well, thats up to you.
For me, I'll happily keep the SP10 as i've built my sound around it but believe me, if a Sony TTS-8000 comes up, i will add it to the ranks. It captured my heart with it's looks AND its performance.
Thanks to Angus for his hospitality and all of his hard work in developing the Tonearm. It's time the PMAT-1010 goes up against the SME V. If anyone fancies a bakeoff, let me know. We can set up two SP10's and go toe to toe.
Thanks to Jamie for attending and bringing this wonderful TT with him. It was one on my 'to hear' list. I am well impressed with it.
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Post by antonio on Oct 29, 2018 5:49:28 GMT
Thanks for the reviews, pleased you're happy with the new tt and arm Jamie. You certainly have two of the most lusted after tt's out there.
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Post by karma67 on Oct 29, 2018 6:54:01 GMT
thank you antonio
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 29, 2018 7:41:43 GMT
Great write ups and also very enjoyable to hear about the kit used. The Sansui is new to me anencephaly so is the Ortofon Vienna.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2018 8:31:09 GMT
Great write ups and also very enjoyable to hear about the kit used. The Sansui is new to me anencephaly so is the Ortofon Vienna. The Sansui is a big ol' Japanese integrated. Angus has rebuilt it with high quality components. It really is very good. The Ortofon Vienna is arguably Ortofons best Cartridge. I'd need to hear a A95 etc before making that my official view but it's certainly the best cartridge I've ever heard. Rarer than rocking horse Sh#t.
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 29, 2018 10:17:12 GMT
I hadn’t heard of Angus (Phonomac) or how products until you and Jamie mentioned him. He sounds like an interesting guy with a real passion.
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Post by karma67 on Oct 29, 2018 11:41:46 GMT
He is,highly skilled too! Ive rebuilt 2 Zeta's,its a ball ache,i gave him my pioneer arm to do and the rest is history! Properly mounted today using the more coupled arm mount,the counterweights on the right way too now . The arm is mounted at 225mm,any adjustment is done by moving the headshell forward or backward,thankfully i was spot on so no adjustment required. I will give this armboard a try before making the final panzerholz one.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2018 12:04:33 GMT
I hadn’t heard of Angus (Phonomac) or how products until you and Jamie mentioned him. He sounds like an interesting guy with a real passion. Angus is a real engineer. Everything he does is accUrate to microns!!!!! Knowledgeable about tonearms to the level you'd think he was Japanese and was there when they were created.
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Post by karma67 on Oct 31, 2018 18:33:01 GMT
a few more tweaks tonight with tracking weight and jesus christ this arm is bloody good! listening to 'the wall' album and im hearing such clarity that ive never heard before from this album,things like the bird warble on the beginning of side 2 'goodbye blue sky' is so life like now,the decay in the guitar with delay effect on 'another brick in the wall parts 1 and 2 is astounding! ive never heard it like this before,ive owned zeta's,mission 774's,alphason hr100's,ittoks etc which are all top arms but none have got close to this AT-1010!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2018 20:16:05 GMT
a few more tweaks tonight with tracking weight and jesus christ this arm is bloody good! listening to 'the wall' album and im hearing such clarity that ive never heard before from this album,things like the bird warble on the beginning of side 2 'goodbye blue sky' is so life like now,the decay in the guitar with delay effect on 'another brick in the wall parts 1 and 2 is astounding! ive never heard it like this before,ive owned zeta's,mission 774's,alphason hr100's,ittoks etc which are all top arms but none have got close to this AT-1010! I remember when input the Alphasson up for sale to buy the PHONOMAC AT-1010, people were talking all kinds of Sh#t, "oh, it must be your Turntable!' "you don't give things long enough" "Must be a defective one" What they refused to understand is the PMAT-1010 is better than the Alphasson. It's better than the Mission 774, the PU-7 and any other arm I've heard. The only arm I haven't heard which could be a contender, is the SME V. I know where there is one locally and could possibly set up a bake off but I haven't been successful at doing it yet. The guy is clearing out a lot of gear so may need to wait a while. I could even use a second SP10 MK2, to do the comparison. Only fiddly bit is mounting the cartridge to the SME. No removable headshell.
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 31, 2018 21:47:08 GMT
It always amuses me that folk (rightly) recognise AT’s capability to make fab carts, yet assume they wouldn’t be equally good at making an arm to play them on. Of course everything is open to improvement and it sounds like this arm is a great base for Angus’ work.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2018 23:17:28 GMT
It always amuses me that folk (rightly) recognise AT’s capability to make fab carts, yet assume they wouldn’t be equally good at making an arm to play them on. Of course everything is open to improvement and it sounds like this arm is a great base for Angus’ work. He's a magician mate. The level of detail he goes into is unreal. He chose the current material for it's upgrades by researching how much moisture the material absorbs, How it reacts to temperature and it's hardness based in the aforementioned atmospheric conditions in the average home environment. It's a superb arm.
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