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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 17:03:35 GMT
I don’t normally do A/B comparisons so it was quite a shock to me because I’d trusted them based on their flat-earth system performance many years ago. They are pleasant enough, but I have been shocked by how diffuse they are. As I said, I can’t “unhear” it now. Tbh I’m surprised that any cable fitted with Neutrik Profis can be so fuzzy. Maybe in other systems they perform differently. If the profis are the retractable ground contact plugs, I will tell you now, they are the worst plugs I've ever used.
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 22, 2018 19:45:29 GMT
That’s the ones. I’ve never used them on anything else but I’m not impressed with them on the Couple
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 20:18:12 GMT
That’s the ones. I’ve never used them on anything else but I’m not impressed with them on the Couple Worst plugs ever IMO. Outperformed by some £7 plugs off eBay. I had them on a pair of Mark Grant cables. I thought the cables were Sh#t. Some Cheap plugs off eBay where put on them and they improved so significantly I would never use profis again.
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 24, 2018 13:00:31 GMT
I wanted to take a bit more time to get to know Spotfire, not least because I had several amps and speakers as well as a few interconnects to hand. Lots of forum opinions may just be based on listening in one system.
Just for the record, amps were Sonneteer Campion, Exposure X and IncaTech Claymore. Speakers were Duevel Planets, Spica TC50i Se (X), DIY Cubettes and modded Royd Minstrels.
Getting the most obvious finding out of the way first, the Sonneteer is the most un-fussy amp I’ve ever come across. Differences between cables were greatly minimised with the Sonneteer and almost eliminated when paired with the Ominidirectional Duevel Planets. That said, the Sonneteer is easily the best sounding amp in the test and paired with any cable, it outperformed the others. Pointless using it much in comparisons though because it wouldn’t really help bring out differences.
Taking the Sonneteer out of the equation, my findings were pretty consistent no matter which amp or speakers I used.
I tried the following cables.
Puresonic Audio screened interconnect .....A good basic cable Rega Couple .......A Klotz AC110 based cable with Neutrik Profi plugs DIY NVA SSC clone.....2xRG316/u shotgunned with screen not connected DIY Neotech NEI-3004 OCC cable......A well regarded high quality cable Spotfire with KLEI Copper Harmony plugs
Getting the “fails” out of the way, the puresonic was shown to be “cooking quality” and Rega Couple was probably half way between this and the better cables. Just too vague and lacking clarity to be a contender. Both pleasant enough in isolation though,
The Neotech sounded very much like a poor man’s Spotfire. Maybe with better plugs it might have closed the gap, but it was always a case of “anything you can do, I can do better” so Spotfire always just won out.
Spotfire also beat the SSC clone in almost every area. Bass was piston-like and drove the music so well. You often hear of bass being tighter OR deeper. Spotfire shows they aren’t mutually exclusive. Separation was also ahead. You could always tell more about instruments being played. It also had marginally better clarity. The one thing I liked more with the SSC was hard to define, but it was there in most system combinations. It was just a “presence” to some vocals and some instruments such as sax. I found this effect very pleasing and it edged the Spotfire in this respect most times.
That said, I’d lose plenty going back to SSC in any of the other systems, although I’d still love to retain that extra presence. Happily, I can use whatever cable I want with my Campion and not really care.
I’d highly recommend anyone even remotely interested to try Spotfire for themselves. It’s very professionally made and the plugs are gorgeous. You’d be £50 in the hole just buying the plugs before you even started trying to find a cable you like. It was consistently good with lots of different bits and all types of music. Having Spotfire for a home trial has clarified lots about my collection of hifi, my cables and my tastes. Nice one!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2018 22:04:10 GMT
Thanks for the detailed writeup. It is very even handed and describes the quality of all the cables involved. Great stuff. Knowing how cheap RG316U is ti buy, it's obviously competed well for you in your system. It's a cable I had in the system for a good while but ultimately moved it on. Horses for courses and all that!
No doubt in my mind that the combination of cable and plugs is where the magic is happening. I haven't heard a cable that didn't improve with the KLE plugs, hence my use of them. Like you say, £50 before you add any cost of the solder, heatshrink, braiding, cable and time spend building them!!
I'm very pleased with their performance and the feedback so far has been excellent.
Thanks for taking the time to listen.
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Post by antonio on Jan 28, 2019 6:58:56 GMT
I purchased a 1.8m length of Spotfire interconnect a little while ago and promised Bigman a review in due course. These were purchased for use with a pair of monos, which will be placed on the floor, so a longer length was needed. I promised Bigman a review, sorry Oli it has to be a short one, since we only found out the new amps were to be delivered yesterday on Saturday evening. Anyway we swopped out the Spotfire and re-inserted the TIS, played a couple of tracks, then changed back to the Spotfire. Differences, not much really, maybe a little more body with the TIS, yet the Spotfire was equally involving. The TIS interconnect would have cost £1000 at todays pricing whereas Oli did these for £192.50, and to my eyes look better. Thanks Oli for a great/great value cable.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2019 10:48:53 GMT
I purchased a 1.8m length of Spotfire interconnect a little while ago and promised Bigman a review in due course. These were purchased for use with a pair of monos, which will be placed on the floor, so a longer length was needed. I promised Bigman a review, sorry Oli it has to be a short one, since we only found out the new amps were to be delivered yesterday on Saturday evening. Anyway we swopped out the Spotfire and re-inserted the TIS, played a couple of tracks, then changed back to the Spotfire. Differences, not much really, maybe a little more body with the TIS, yet the Spotfire was equally involving. The TIS interconnect would have cost £1000 at todays pricing whereas Oli did these for £192.50, and to my eyes look better. Thanks Oli for a great/great value cable. Hi Dave, Thanks for the mini review! Just a quick question, how many hours do you have on the SPOTFIRE? They do require 100hr minimum.
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Post by antonio on Jan 28, 2019 11:35:15 GMT
They must be very close to 100 hours, + or -.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2019 11:46:34 GMT
They must be very close to 100 hours, + or -. Ok mate. They usually flesh out at around 100 hours so cool... I'm gonna have to try some TIS now the Krell is in.
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Post by macca on Jan 28, 2019 12:57:58 GMT
They must be very close to 100 hours, + or -. Ok mate. They usually flesh out at around 100 hours so cool... I'm gonna have to try some TIS now the Krell is in. That should be interesting.
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Post by antonio on Jan 28, 2019 13:12:51 GMT
If you can wait till I return from my holiday, I go tomorrow for 5 weeks, I can send them to you on my return.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2019 14:14:08 GMT
If you can wait till I return from my holiday, I go tomorrow for 5 weeks, I can send them to you on my return. I can mate. I am 3 weeks away from having my cast of, then 4-6 weeks physio, not to mention the 6-8 weeks to repair my shoulder so time is something i have plenty of lol
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2019 14:15:57 GMT
Ok mate. They usually flesh out at around 100 hours so cool... I'm gonna have to try some TIS now the Krell is in. That should be interesting. A comparison with TIS has already been done, but not by me. Only right i give it the Pepsi Challenge.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2019 14:49:34 GMT
I look forward to yer findings.......🙏
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