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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 18, 2018 7:49:49 GMT
First there’s the listening. I guess I mean, how do you use it and what do you get out of it.
Some people have their system playing music every day for hours. I’m guessing they must have it on whilst doing other things, because sitting giving it your undivided attention would be pretty demanding.
Others May only have a couple of listening sessions a week where they devote their time to it like they would at a live event.
Then there’s where you site it. Does it just have to live in a certain spot and the speakers have to make do with a set location. Or is it given pride of place with other stuff having to fit round it. Do you have a separate listening room?
Finally there is how you think of your system. Is it the finished article? Do you have any attachments to bits you’d regard as keepers? Any pride of ownership, or is it all expendable, perhaps just a tool to get to the music.
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 18, 2018 8:00:30 GMT
I’ll try and answer myself.
The first one can vary for me and I do go through periods where the hifi is on all day. In these spells, I don’t really do it’s my full attention to it. Then I get bored and it goes off. Most often though, I listen two or three times a week, unless I find a recording I really like, then it can be daily for a while
I would never use speakers in a location they wrperent bake to perform in. I have moved a helluva lot so this has often meant changing speakers. The other furniture usually has to fit around the hifi but it has to look good. On the odd occasion this has meant moving speakers when I want to listen, but this has usually frustrated me to the point where I stop listening or change speakers.
My systems definitely arent just a tool for music. I enjoy the gear as much or more than the music. I do form attachments to kit, but I usually take the view that selling something on is no big deal because you can always get another, if something is more rare, I am less likely to part with it. It’s usually my frequent home moves that have led to big changes in kit. If I ever end up with a big listening room atht I really feel comfortable on, I will buy the sort of system that can deliver the very best sound and scale. That will probably be a KSA50 or KMA100s and Apogess, I will still probably keep,the sort of system I have now in another room though, because I’ve already been there and a smaller scale system still has its place and delivers a different type of enjoyment.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 9:46:10 GMT
Well its a fair old question, here goes...
Partys the odd weekend nights my hifi will be blaring out into the early morning hours ( im blessed staying oot in the sticks - no neighbours )......through the week its a case of if i aint out with the dogs or there's nowt worth watching on tv on goes the music. Mood dictates whats played.
Ive got a good sized rectangular living room, and my speakers fire down lengthwise, wooden floor and sparse decor blinds no curtains etc.......this probably dictates the sound somewhat but sounds damn fine to me.
It aint the finished artical yet, im waiting for the Radford to show up......hopefully that should pretty much do it. Kind of had me fill of box swapping now.....🙈🙉🙊
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 13:13:46 GMT
I have the luxury of two systems. The main system is in a heavily furnished room, with bookshelves lining the walls, whilst the upstairs system is in a sparsely furnished room. Upstairs I sit very near the speakers, so placement isn't really an issue. Downstairs I faff about with the speakers more. I watch about an hour's worth of TV a week, so listen to music a lot. I can't read whilst listening, as I either don't hear the music or lose track of the book.
I'm not emotionally attached to my hifi (or any other material object) and wouldn't be too upset if I had to give it all away.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 13:46:27 GMT
My main system aint at home at the moment as it is at my place of work. When it was at home the speakers were the item that got to go where they needed to be at their best. Sofas next, then TV, then everything else.
I listen most days but not always on the main system. The one at home is a very small and simple thing and to be honest I get as much enjoyment out of that than messing about with and listening to my main mostly diy system. I often have the system on when having tea, when reading the internet or when there is f all on telly. It is the late night listening that is mostly done with full concentration.
My system is not yet the finished article but is almost there. I have the soldering iron out a lot and things get changed here and there but I know what the bare bones are and already have almost of it all at hand already. Once I have finished building, modifying and bodging that will be it. Cased up in a large wooden box and that will be it. After that I don't intend to ever change it. I doubt that will be the end of my journey into learning audio electronics building and experimenting with stuff though - just not in the main system.
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 18, 2018 15:33:22 GMT
Thanks fior all the posts so far, it’s been really enlighening to read. I see Stu takes the same “order of preference” as me when setting up a room. A couple of 2nd systems in there. Jammy probs reducing the box count very soon too. I much prefer a couple of boxes to a stack. I wish I could lose my DAC and phono stage but they both add enough to earn their keep.
Interesting also to hear Stu gets lots of enjoyment out of a simpler system. I’ve had great fun from single source, shoebox amp and small speakers. It somehow seems even more attractive to me when I also have a bigger system too. Probably something subconscious going on, but not sure what,
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 16:04:01 GMT
Andrew, maybe its something to do with the small simple system has nothing to prove against the larger more complicated. You expect the larger (usually the main system) to be better cos you have spent more money, time and emotion on it. its so easy to have that air guitar moment driving along listening to the in car audio system. Small and simple means small psu and not many of them. And we all know (don't we ?) how important the psu is (size, quality, the number of and position of).
Had many a time dancing away with my little CA CD5, AP20 and B&W CM1 with my 4 year old daughter. What would be embarrassing would be if I put my 2 systems up against each other and preferred the smaller. Might have to do that one day.
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 18, 2018 16:22:21 GMT
Andrew, maybe its something to do with the small simple system has nothing to prove against the larger more complicated. You expect the larger (usually the main system) to be better cos you have spent more money, time and emotion on it. its so easy to have that air guitar moment driving along listening to the in car audio system. Small and simple means small psu and not many of them. And we all know (don't we ?) how important the psu is (size, quality, the number of and position of). Had many a time dancing away with my little CA CD5, AP20 and B&W CM1 with my 4 year old daughter. What would be embarrassing would be if I put my 2 systems up against each other and preferred the smaller. Might have to do that one day. You might have something there, having a small system on it’s own leads me to think I need to do “better”. Having it alongside a bigger one is different because it’s then an underdog in some ways. It’s simplicity also increases its appeal to me. I think there may also be something real but hard to define about having lots of electronics in your environment. I’ve travelled in Greece to places with only the very basics. Somehow those spaces feel more serene and there just seems to be less going on. Less “noise and hash”. I feel far more at ease. I rented a cabin in the hills of Cyprus for 3 months and it had almost nothing. Basic electrics off a generator and water from a spring. It was hard to leave. Probably comes across as gibberish, but in my heart of hearts, I prefer the simplest system possible. My addition of two extra boxes has improved the sound but also made me feel less at home with the gear. Maybe I need to build it into one unit I can forget about. If only I stayed in one place long enough......
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Post by macca on Sept 18, 2018 17:57:03 GMT
I bought my house because it had a good room for hi fi so, yes, it is number one priority in the room, everything else fits where it can.
Usually listen 3 or 4 night a week, 3 or 4 hours at a time. Never do background music unless someone is round visiting. Will usually use the tv system for that. Main system fires down the length of the room, TV system fires across the room so I just change sofas depending on which one I'm using. Rack is way back 8 foot behind the speakers. You never want to have anything between the speakers, at least not conventional speakers, it ruins the imaging.
Need to do one last tweak which is to move the hi-fi listening couch out into the room a bit. Couldn't do it before as it would have blocked the gas fire but that doesn't work anymore so it's no longer a problem. Means I can have a good space behind the listening position and behind the speakers too, which is supposed to be optimal.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 22:29:54 GMT
I'm pretty invested in my system. It's been a very busy road with many many pieces coming and not making the mark. I suppose my emotional investment comes from the time I've taken to actually get what sound I want. I'm talking about 10-15 phonostages, 7/8 turntables, 6/7 preamps, 10-15 pairs of speakers and about 20 cartridges. 10-20 pairs of cables etc.
I have a system, which when I switch it on, there's no more "wondering" really, just looking forward to putting a track on and enjoying.
There are only two bits in danger. One is the Kontrapunkt b. If I ever see a Vienna for sale, it will be purchased and the Kb will be relegated.
The other...... The speakers.
In my room they work well but if I were to get a bigger room, I'd go big. Really big if suitable. Talking huge JBL types.
Other than that, I have toake a set of SPOTFIRE cables for the amp and a power cable if I keep the Krell. That's it. No more for me.
Listening takes place everyday. If it's only a hour, it's a good quality hour. The kids might be on the pS4 and we'll take the dog out but I usually get an hour while they eat their tea and do their homework. It's generally on constantly when I'm home. Even if it's just quiet. I love it.
The room it's in came before the HiFi so I had to shuffle every thing around. It sounds good so I'm happy.
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 19, 2018 10:45:39 GMT
I'm pretty invested in my system. It's been a very busy road with many many pieces coming and not making the mark. I suppose my emotional investment comes from the time I've taken to actually get what sound I want. I'm talking about 10-15 phonostages, 7/8 turntables, 6/7 preamps, 10-15 pairs of speakers and about 20 cartridges. 10-20 pairs of cables etc. I have a system, which when I switch it on, there's no more "wondering" really, just looking forward to putting a track on and enjoying. There are only two bits in danger. One is the Kontrapunkt b. If I ever see a Vienna for sale, it will be purchased and the Kb will be relegated. The other...... The speakers. In my room they work well but if I were to get a bigger room, I'd go big. Really big if suitable. Talking huge JBL types. Other than that, I have toake a set of SPOTFIRE cables for the amp and a power cable if I keep the Krell. That's it. No more for me. Listening takes place everyday. If it's only a hour, it's a good quality hour. The kids might be on the pS4 and we'll take the dog out but I usually get an hour while they eat their tea and do their homework. It's generally on constantly when I'm home. Even if it's just quiet. I love it. The room it's in came before the HiFi so I had to shuffle every thing around. It sounds good so I'm happy. I dunno how similar your speakers actually are, but I had a period with some vintage Dynaco A25x and they were so satisfying, I found it very hard to change. Sure there were bigger and sonically better speakers. But they had something special. Big bomed, satisfying and a sense of flesh and blood realism. People often make assumptions about a speaker based on age, price and size, but that’s all they are....assumptions. Sounds like yours do a great job I. Your current room. If I was in London I would’ve grabbed those 99s on EBay.
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 19, 2018 10:49:34 GMT
My only remaining pic of the Dynacos. I restored them cosmetically and they were beautiful. Sadly Photobucket robbed me of all the pics.
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 1, 2019 19:21:05 GMT
I’m back to on axis listening for now because I’m using the Ref3as. I’m listening for shorter bursts and this has nothing to do with the sound wearing on me. It’s more about the limitations of sitting in one place for too long. The Planets let you listen anywhere and it’s all the same so you can move around, lie down and do what you want. Trouble is I haven’t managed to get anything like what they are capable of in the new room. They like reflective surfaces and this room is too well damped.
Anyone else changed their listening habits?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2019 19:39:10 GMT
Yes, slightly. We've got a new sofa in the main listening room, which meant moving my chair nearer the centre of the room, and also changing the speaker placement. At first I was worried that the change had adversely affected the sound of the system, but then remembered that my amp allows subtle tone adjustments, so I boosted the treble a couple of notches, and it's sounding better than ever.
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 1, 2019 20:32:56 GMT
Yes, slightly. We've got a new sofa in the main listening room, which meant moving my chair nearer the centre of the room, and also changing the speaker placement. At first I was worried that the change had adversely affected the sound of the system, but then remembered that my amp allows subtle tone adjustments, so I boosted the treble a couple of notches, and it's sounding better than ever. Tone controls can be very useful. More amps should have them IMO.
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