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Post by dwaindibly on Sept 16, 2024 17:45:37 GMT
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Toe in
Sept 16, 2024 20:45:58 GMT
Post by stryder5 on Sept 16, 2024 20:45:58 GMT
Protractor?
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Sept 16, 2024 21:22:59 GMT
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Post by lurch on Sept 16, 2024 21:22:59 GMT
Swiviling the front corner in 20-30mm should give you the sort of toe-in your looking for.
To confirm put tape on the floor front to back at the side of the stand, swivel front corner then check with a protractor to see how close (different between original [tape] and new position) if you want to be anal.
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Sept 17, 2024 12:52:11 GMT
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Post by bencat on Sept 17, 2024 12:52:11 GMT
If you want get a bit ocd about it then buy a laser measure with angle finder around £40 from Amazon . Fix it at war height on your listening seat then measure the angle to each speaker in turn . This will also let you know that each speaker is the same distance away as well .
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Post by dwaindibly on Sept 17, 2024 14:29:04 GMT
I'll have a look with a protractor not going anal on it!! just interested to see what science says compared with my ear 👂
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Post by hifinutt on Sept 17, 2024 15:47:27 GMT
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Post by pete on Sept 17, 2024 16:24:07 GMT
I'll have a look with a protractor not going anal on it!! just interested to see what science says compared with my ear 👂 Sometimes your ear is your friend. I agree with you though, always interesting to check with measurements. You could land on a truely better sound quality. |
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Post by peterthebutcher on Sept 18, 2024 7:59:20 GMT
I just plonked my Amphions down on 2 bits of marble and angled the tweeters to roughly where my ears would be... be right lol
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Post by dwaindibly on Sept 20, 2024 19:13:58 GMT
Found this app play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.krksys.krkapp it has an option for measuring toe and I wasn't that far off just using my ears !! another surprise was after deciphering the graph for the frequency response of my speakers there was a bit of a peak at 1k and 4k I looked a what I had set the EQ to on my wiim ages ago and I had lowered 1k and 4k bands by 1 dB 😲 so trust your ears 👂 but I guess using science is a good starting point to save a lot of faffing about maybe |
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Post by dwaindibly on Sept 27, 2024 15:54:56 GMT
Aaaggrrrr this is doing my nut in !!!
I've been tinkering with how my speakers image using a test track the RH speaker is fine but the left is causing me problems!!
The test track plays a voice speaking from centre then midway between centre and right speaker then far right speaker same for the left but for the left the mid point and far left are almost the same I've tried moving the speakers all kinds of ways but the only thing that makes any difference is taking away the acoustic panel at the first reflection point to the left of the speaker I thought treating first reflections help with imaging ?
the right speaker doesn't seem to bothered with of without a panel My room is a difficult shape tho !! apart from this problem everything else sounds great
Can anyone offer some advice
Cheers
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Post by firebottle on Sept 27, 2024 16:15:22 GMT
I guess if the right isn't bothered by the panel then you need to remove both.
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Post by dwaindibly on Sept 27, 2024 17:30:54 GMT
I guess if the right isn't bothered by the panel then you need to remove both. Not where the image is concerned, but without they sound bright the only difference between left and right position is that the celling slope is lower on the left unless it's my hearing 🤣🤣🤣  |
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Post by macca on Sept 27, 2024 19:22:29 GMT
I think the difference in the ceiling slope could well account for it.
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Post by mikeyb on Sept 27, 2024 21:09:26 GMT
I think the difference in the ceiling slope could well account for it. Rocket might not be helping either as it looks to be slightly in front of the speaker. |
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Post by dwaindibly on Sept 28, 2024 11:33:36 GMT
Changed a few things around no difference!! what I have found is when I swapped over channels left to right the right speaker had the same problem and the left was fine so it's my gear somewhere that's at fault 🤔 I'm stumped I've tried 2 different test tracks to be sure  |
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Sept 29, 2024 11:07:19 GMT
Post by macca on Sept 29, 2024 11:07:19 GMT
So not the speaker or the speaker position then?
Has to be upstream. Check all settings on the amp, try a different amp.
If problem the same with another amp, look at the source - I don't know what you're using. If it's a computer there may be some issue with the multitude of available settings.
If it's a fault with the equipment, it's an unusual one.
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Post by pete on Sept 29, 2024 13:21:54 GMT
When checking equipment I would also check the cables. Especially speaker cables. It’s easy to connect them out of phase… speaking from experience 🤣. Also check plugs are secure and wiring in plugs sound. Seems a strange one. Methodical checks could give you the answer.
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Post by dwaindibly on Sept 29, 2024 18:55:37 GMT
I'm using a test that's from YouTube playing from my phone via Bluetooth to my wiim mini to the amp via optical it sends out a series of knocks in different positions in the sound stage 5 on each side I can pinpoint all of the right channel going 2 knocks past the right speaker but on the left the last 2 past the speaker are in the same position and don't move past the speaker the same as the right I've also used a similar test from an audio site but with a guy speaking with the same result if i swap the channels over the problem moves to the right speaker could it be the recording? Just worried it's the amp as I got it from hyperfi as a grade b which is sent back to marantz for whatever reason checked and
tested the sold back by them
Could someone try the test and report back? Just to rule it out
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Sept 29, 2024 20:28:47 GMT
Post by macca on Sept 29, 2024 20:28:47 GMT
I'm using a test that's from YouTube playing from my phone via Bluetooth to my wiim mini to the amp via optical it sends out a series of knocks in different positions in the sound stage 5 on each side I can pinpoint all of the right channel going 2 knocks past the right speaker but on the left the last 2 past the speaker are in the same position and don't move past the speaker the same as the right I've also used a similar test from an audio site but with a guy speaking with the same result if i swap the channels over the problem moves to the right speaker could it be the recording? Just worried it's the amp as I got it from hyperfi as a grade b which is sent back to marantz for whatever reason checked and tested the sold back by them Could someone try the test and report back? Just to rule it out I only used my laptop speakers but I thought the movement to the right of centre was more defined than at the start where it moves from the left to centre. Could be the recording. I'm meaning my left and right as I face the speakers, just to avoid any confusion. |
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Post by dwaindibly on Sept 30, 2024 6:21:01 GMT
I'm using a test that's from YouTube playing from my phone via Bluetooth to my wiim mini to the amp via optical it sends out a series of knocks in different positions in the sound stage 5 on each side I can pinpoint all of the right channel going 2 knocks past the right speaker but on the left the last 2 past the speaker are in the same position and don't move past the speaker the same as the right I've also used a similar test from an audio site but with a guy speaking with the same result if i swap the channels over the problem moves to the right speaker could it be the recording? Just worried it's the amp as I got it from hyperfi as a grade b which is sent back to marantz for whatever reason checked and tested the sold back by them Could someone try the test and report back? Just to rule it out I only used my laptop speakers but I thought the movement to the right of centre was more defined than at the start where it moves from the left to centre. Could be the recording. I'm meaning my left and right as I face the speakers, just to avoid any confusion. Nice one 👍 I'm going to try it on my system downstairs see how it sounds there's a definite lack of separation between centre and left when playing music that's what lead me to test it I think the test makes it worse tho vocals are dead centre i use katie melua come away with me as its recorded dead centre but the rest seems skewed a bit over to the right I can only sumise that its the celing on the left as it's lower so closer in to centre I've tried moving it all over to the right so the left speaker is same distance from celing as the right with no change I'll keep experimenting |
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Post by dwaindibly on Sept 30, 2024 6:37:53 GMT
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Sept 30, 2024 17:25:32 GMT
Post by macca on Sept 30, 2024 17:25:32 GMT
I only used my laptop speakers but I thought the movement to the right of centre was more defined than at the start where it moves from the left to centre. Could be the recording. I'm meaning my left and right as I face the speakers, just to avoid any confusion. Nice one 👍 I'm going to try it on my system downstairs see how it sounds there's a definite lack of separation between centre and left when playing music that's what lead me to test it I think the test makes it worse tho vocals are dead centre i use katie melua come away with me as its recorded dead centre but the rest seems skewed a bit over to the right I can only sumise that its the celing on the left as it's lower so closer in to centre I've tried moving it all over to the right so the left speaker is same distance from celing as the right with no change I'll keep experimenting Maybe try thicker absorption on the ceiling area that's close to the speaker? All you can do is try stuff, I don't think there's any other way to sort it. Your speakers measure pretty good but if all else fails swapping to a speaker with narrower directivity might fix it. |
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Post by dwaindibly on Oct 6, 2024 12:20:41 GMT
Got to the bottom of it !! I'm bloody deaf!! 🤣🤣 well only between 2000 - 8000 htz i used a hearing test app with headphones 🎧 my left ear is worse than the right too it says my hearing is normal I'm just losing it at higher frequencys I've adjusted the eq a little and it's sounds much better now
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Oct 6, 2024 12:41:19 GMT
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Post by pete on Oct 6, 2024 12:41:19 GMT
Got to the bottom of it !! I'm bloody deaf!! 🤣🤣 well only between 2000 - 8000 htz i used a hearing test app with headphones 🎧 my left ear is worse than the right too it says my hearing is normal I'm just losing it at higher frequencys I've adjusted the eq a little and it's sounds much better now Sorry to hear that. But at least you have got to the bottom of it. I also have a bit of a hearing impairment, would suggest there is no harm in getting a proper hearing test through your dr or pharmacy It maybe you just have a some wax build up or something else in there!! I got a rubber stuck in my ear for ages, was a few years ago now. Recon u must have been 6 or 7 years old 😁 |
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