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Post by brucew268 on Jul 7, 2024 21:38:54 GMT
Teac’s VRDS 701T has that quality that one might call “refined resolution”. The noise floor is very low with good contrast so that you can play at lower volumes and have it still sound natural and realistic. Since there is no frequency emphasis or spotlighting, though, at low volumes one might be fooled into thinking it is all a bit too unobtrusive. But listen at around 80db and you realise this is a very good transport, accurate, with texture, leading & trailing edges, and subtle details that flow organically from the music. So, there are lots of nuances and details on offer that I don't hear from other players, but they're not in your face. They are just there as a natural integral part of the music performance. It makes a lot of players out there sound like they are voiced and editorialise the music whereas this one doesn’t. That’s not actually true of course but that’s the sense.
The one downside for me is that something in the midrange interacts with my room so that there is a little bit of bloom and midrange glare. That is likely pretty room-dependent but enough that I won’t be keeping it. In every other way it’s a league above.
The remote is full functioned but is not so intuitive to operate in the dark. I do like the display options to choose from: full, dim, blank; when on: disc time remaining, track time remaining, or track time elapsed.
This unit is a “Nearly new” unit (silver) offered by Peter Tyson for just over £1600 which makes it a good value if it works in your context. I’ll be sending it back to them this week.
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Post by lurch on Jul 8, 2024 6:41:38 GMT
Might be worth giving the 9000CDT a trial, it's a very definite step up from the 6000CDT. It's more detailed, richer, fuller with greater separation and nuance, and better texture across the board, atleast to my ears. If it wasn't for the fact that a Lector CDP 603 came up (I love Lector CDPs) I would still have mine.
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Post by hifinutt on Jul 8, 2024 14:10:18 GMT
1600 quid is a good saving , someone will enjoy that
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Post by alit on Jul 8, 2024 17:41:26 GMT
Second the Lector players, lovely natural sound. Would happily listen to mine all day. Worth looking out for one imo.
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Post by nonuffin on Jul 9, 2024 9:45:18 GMT
I reviewed the Lector 707 player for Hifipig magazine and was totally captivated by the sound it produced. Wish I had the moolah available to be able to buy one.
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Post by nonuffin on Jul 9, 2024 10:37:22 GMT
I couldn't get the link to behave, so have copied the blessed thing instead below!
Some say that the Compact Disc medium has had its finest day and streaming is where it’s now at. I beg to differ and still prefer the sound (and to me, the consistent reliability) of the silver disc. My fellow reviewer Dan has abandoned CDs entirely and relies solely on the likes of Tidal and such-like for his source material. While I envy the access he has to an immense library of music to call upon, it wasn’t pleasant watching the sheer angst on his face when only half of his total playlist was showing on screen and one channel kept dropping out of his system which was traced to a DAC connection apparently.
A good friend of mine also lost his entire music library when his PC took early retirement and the whole music library became totally inaccessible, so 7 months on from that and he is still rebuilding it. Sooner him than me, although I may grumble about getting off my fat posterior to swap CDs over, but that is infinitely more preferable to me than night after night of rebuilding an entire digital music storage system from scratch again.
And, despite the extraordinary levels of high resolution definitions and formats available over the streaming networks, the 44.1kHz bitrate off a silver disc still has a very strong pulse and is far away from drawing its very last breath.
With that kind of background driving my thought processes, it was so refreshing to be asked to review the Lector 707 CD player for Hifi Pig Magazine, instead of being tasked to evaluate yet another streaming device. Not that I really object you understand, but my favourite gripe is relying on battery power with mobile phones and tablets, while communicating with the PC which has constant mains power, is low on the list of priorities with streamers via WIFI.
Construction
Surprisingly, this is a two box built affair, one box containing the transport, DAC and audio output sections, while there is a choice of two power supplies, the PSU3-T which tips the scales at 3kg, or the uprated PSU7-T which is a heavy full width box which contains a sophisticated and complex power supply section with an LED indicator panel, both cases being finished in high gloss black with optional gloss black or real Cherry wood side cheeks.
The player section has a top loading transport, with a slide open “drawer” which reveals the drive spindle and puck, which is small in size but contains 3 small neodynium magnets to clamp the disc to the spindle. By virtue of that top loading mechanism, there has to be plenty of room to insert and remove CDs to and from this player, so I can foresee this machine not residing inside a rack because of that, unless there is plenty of free space above for these actions. I housed this pair on the top shelf of my rack.
The DAC section comprises of two PCM-1704 R2R digital to analogue convertors with, digital filter selectable for 4 x or 8 x oversampling via the remote control, while the audio output is handled by 2 x 12AT7/ECC-81 valves.
The larger and much heavier PSU7-T power supply was supplied with the review sample. I am still not convinced about the blue LED display and switches on the front panel of the power supply, as when I switched any one of them to the OFF position the sound ceased. The manual isn’t very clear in that respect either, save stating that if the LED is lit, the relevant supply rail is working. No kidding! Price at time of review: £4,100 with the PSU-7T option.
Sound Quality
No matter what genre of music I threw at this player, it never once became wrong footed or confused, it just played it like it is with a rock solid steady and consistent power which wasn’t brutish or overpowering by any means. In fact, you could listen for hour after hour and never be fatigued by the sound and some might interpret that by thinking it was dull, boring and perhaps a shade lacklustre, but not so, there was more than enough excitement to keep you enthralled and before you realised it the clock had advanced way past your regular bed time. I have owned players whose forte is to deliver an endless stream of explicit details which soon fatigues and you soon yearn for some warmth and musicality to relieve that constant barrage of dynamics and details, which in the short term is invigorating and energising, but let me say the Lector 707 is not guilty of, because it does have power and energy which never overcomes or overwhelms. It is always a very fine line to tread and the Lector followed it unwaveringly.
The sound just opened up and flowed with absolute ease from the speakers, fine details had acquired a polished refinement, presented in an endless stream of new found details, so it was no effort at all to hear all of the tiny nuances in the recording without having to strain to hear them. Bass too acquired a palpable firmness and solidity without any trace of boom or overhang at all. Drums and bass were immense in scale, yet under perfect control at all times. Of particular note however was the sound stage and imaging which really was holographic in every sense of the word and it was effortless in placing musicians and instruments into fixed points in space with a solid yet ethereal quality to them. Bass timing was absolutely on the button, power and depth impressive, but with complete control and authority I have seldom heard from a CD player. The top end impressed in a similar vein and that was evidenced when I connected up my ‘horror’ speakers that show any deficiencies in that region very clearly indeed. The Mordaunt Short MS20 Pearl Edition speakers I have are armed with metal dome tweeters that are totally ruthless and unforgiving when it comes to high treble energy and it takes very little to provoke them into harshness and brightness, so I have a private shudder to myself whenever I introduce them into an evaluation session. Once again the Lector player showed that the top end treble can be expressive, sophisticated and under complete control.
My resident CD player sounds dry and almost analytic by comparison and even though it is equipped with a fistful of selectable digital filters, I could not find a suitable one to match the Lector despite cycling through all of them, that had the rich creamy warmth overlaid onto the music like the Lector player delivered with such sophistication and pure ease.
The acid test for me is how well this player stood up to my intimate knowledge of Fink’s “Wheels Beneath My Feet” live album. The intro strikes on the Ride cymbal the drummer plays on track one called “Biscuits For Breakfast” is so convincing and just so realistic, as is the pounding kick drum that features throughout the entire album. Interestingly enough, the benchmark for true high fidelity for me personally is how almost tangible and very much lifelike how the rim shots sound on the Snare drum. There must not be any colouration at all from this instrument, a defined precisely voiced “tock” with each strike coupled with hearing the shell of the drum and finally the reverberation around the venue. This CD has been recorded in different venues throughout Europe during one of Fink’s many tours so the venue ambience is different for each location and the Lector 707 CD player homes in on this like a laser guided missile and missing none of it, with each and every venue being easily differentiated. No “shooshing” sounds like bacon frying in a pan during the audience’s applause, each audience member is an individual, clapping, whistling, cheering and cat calling enthusiastically all around you.
You can actually hear each individual string of the guitar playing during chords and riffs, you can even tell what the string is made from and what it was plucked with (Plectrum or fingers) from Fink’s acoustic guitar playing and it felt rather smug to say “metal” and “plectrum” while the music was playing. When we talk about this level of fine detail, it might be crossing your mind reading this review that this amplifier is a bit explicit or somehow spot lit in its treble and midrange resolution, but be assured it isn’t, as you can listen for hour after hour and it never fatigues despite the high quantity of fine details and nuances it is feeding you. If it did, I would have no hesitation at all in saying so. Of course if the track “Sort of Revolution” hasn’t got my toe tapping or in extreme cases joining in with the audience in clapping in time with the kick drum, then perhaps something is amiss, because it has that enthusiastic compelling energy inherent in the recording that gets me going, no matter how often I listen to this album.
Conclusion
If like me you are still unable to let go of the silver disc format and are looking for a CD player that is totally effortless and true to the sound recorded into the disc without shredding your ears, then this should be the CD player you should audition.
All very well singing the praises of it, but the question you must be thinking is; “Would this Dominic chap own one himself?”. If I could afford it, then undoubtedly yes. It made my top end Sony player sound rather dry and soul-less by comparison and I dearly miss that ability to scour out the last drop of detail from my CDs with that rich vibrant overlay and without shrieking or squawking at me as some other high-end players have done. It isn’t either the fact that valves are used in the audio output stage, as I have owned that type of player before, maybe it’s the innate quality of the separate power supply, or perhaps that Lector have included the magical “Ingredient X” into the design, but whatever factor(s) are responsible for that final sweet sound, it certainly works and for me at least the sum was indeed greater than it’s parts, which in an oblique way of saying it gets a very high recommendation from me, so I pass the Lector 707 over to Lionel Payne.
AT A GLANCE
Build Quality: Fit and finish is excellent on both the player and power supply. The switches and LED display on the power supply is more ornamental than necessary or factual.
Sound Quality: Very difficult to fault, in fact I couldn’t find fault and it can stand being listened to for many hours without fatigue although dull sounding it isn’t by any means.
Value For Money: With a price of £4,100.00 this pair isn’t cheap, but I reckon you will be in no hurry to upgrade to anything supposedly “better”. They are hand built and this also has an element in the pricing.
Pros: Quality build and peerless sound.
Cons: None.
Price:£4100
Dominic Marsh
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Post by hifinutt on Jul 9, 2024 14:52:24 GMT
4100 seems very reasonable considering the price of cd players , about the price of a midrange luxman cd
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Post by macca on Jul 11, 2024 8:30:45 GMT
Teac’s VRDS 701T has that quality that one might call “refined resolution”. The noise floor is very low with good contrast so that you can play at lower volumes and have it still sound natural and realistic. Since there is no frequency emphasis or spotlighting, though, at low volumes one might be fooled into thinking it is all a bit too unobtrusive. But listen at around 80db and you realise this is a very good transport, accurate, with texture, leading & trailing edges, and subtle details that flow organically from the music. So, there are lots of nuances and details on offer that I don't hear from other players, but they're not in your face. They are just there as a natural integral part of the music performance. It makes a lot of players out there sound like they are voiced and editorialise the music whereas this one doesn’t. That’s not actually true of course but that’s the sense.
The one downside for me is that something in the midrange interacts with my room so that there is a little bit of bloom and midrange glare. That is likely pretty room-dependent but enough that I won’t be keeping it. In every other way it’s a league above.
The remote is full functioned but is not so intuitive to operate in the dark. I do like the display options to choose from: full, dim, blank; when on: disc time remaining, track time remaining, or track time elapsed.
This unit is a “Nearly new” unit (silver) offered by Peter Tyson for just over £1600 which makes it a good value if it works in your context. I’ll be sending it back to them this week. Interesting As a 701 user I do use PEQ to dial back the midrange (1.5KHz) by 0.3dB over a fairly narrow bandwidth to eliminate what I perceive as a bit of glare, so our experiences do match there. I don't ascribe this to the transport though, but to the speaker/room interaction, my personal taste, and possibly the frequency response of my hearing. Comparing the 701 to Oli's streamer playing the exact same recording, synchronized and flipping between the two, they were identical. Which is as it should be. So unless the streamer has the exact same 'glitch' in the midrange as the transport (which seems highly unlikely) then there is no glitch. If I were you I would look at correcting the speaker/room response with PEQ before continuing the search, since I think you will find you have the same issue with all transports you try. But it's your search and your money.
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Post by hifinutt on Jul 11, 2024 9:20:58 GMT
was planning on getting the 701T but got a moon 260d coming soon to compare . will be seeing if any different to my current marantz sa8005 used as a transport .
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Post by brucew268 on Jul 11, 2024 16:08:44 GMT
Teac’s VRDS 701T has that quality that one might call “refined resolution”. The noise floor is very low with good contrast so that you can play at lower volumes and have it still sound natural and realistic. Since there is no frequency emphasis or spotlighting, though, at low volumes one might be fooled into thinking it is all a bit too unobtrusive. But listen at around 80db and you realise this is a very good transport, accurate, with texture, leading & trailing edges, and subtle details that flow organically from the music. So, there are lots of nuances and details on offer that I don't hear from other players, but they're not in your face. They are just there as a natural integral part of the music performance. It makes a lot of players out there sound like they are voiced and editorialise the music whereas this one doesn’t. That’s not actually true of course but that’s the sense.
The one downside for me is that something in the midrange interacts with my room so that there is a little bit of bloom and midrange glare. That is likely pretty room-dependent but enough that I won’t be keeping it. In every other way it’s a league above.
The remote is full functioned but is not so intuitive to operate in the dark. I do like the display options to choose from: full, dim, blank; when on: disc time remaining, track time remaining, or track time elapsed.
This unit is a “Nearly new” unit (silver) offered by Peter Tyson for just over £1600 which makes it a good value if it works in your context. I’ll be sending it back to them this week. Interesting As a 701 user I do use PEQ to dial back the midrange (1.5KHz) by 0.3dB over a fairly narrow bandwidth to eliminate what I perceive as a bit of glare, so our experiences do match there. I don't ascribe this to the transport though, but to the speaker/room interaction, my personal taste, and possibly the frequency response of my hearing. Comparing the 701 to Oli's streamer playing the exact same recording, synchronized and flipping between the two, they were identical. Which is as it should be. So unless the streamer has the exact same 'glitch' in the midrange as the transport (which seems highly unlikely) then there is no glitch. If I were you I would look at correcting the speaker/room response with PEQ before continuing the search, since I think you will find you have the same issue with all transports you try. But it's your search and your money. On the one hand I agree the room is a major player here. OTOH, on the same recordings using two other transports I did not get that problem... until I put on Chesky's Sara K album which is pretty heavy in those frequencies. Then I had a problem with all transports and played with (my fairly numerous) acoustic panels. In the end the benefit was marginal and I decided it wasn't worth it for a single album. As I said, my other two transports didn't exhibit the issues on most albums even though one has pretty decent balance between midrange body and clarity. So it would seem that slightly different frequencies are in play between the transports.
BTW: Peter Tyson received back the 701T yesterday so maybe they will relist it by the weekend for someone to have a go with.
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Post by hifinutt on Jul 12, 2024 18:25:22 GMT
260d arrived yesterday , family member said it had better placement of instruments and clearer bass and just better than sa8005 used as transport
It does sound more vibrant , has a monster big display i bet you could see from 50 foot away ! Very nice build .not sure about the rubberized feel remote but nothings perfect .
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 12, 2024 21:14:22 GMT
I'm still planning on getting a TEAC 701CDT.
My exposure to it when macca brought his here left a strong impression. To a large degree, I agree with Macca on the comparison to my pimed Novafidelity X50D.
Tonally, identical. Soundstage (limited here) identical. Everything.....apart from a couple of little things that stood out to me. Less so to martin.
The 701 had a touch more bite. A touch more vibrancy and a little more crunch when playing things like Oasis, Thin Lizzy and other similar material
I heard brass sound more rasp, and the for some reason the cymbals on well recorded music took on a less tizzy sound.
I admit now, just like I did then....the better the system, the more likely I think these things become to be audible. I don't think for one minute that I got the best out of either the X50D or the 701 in my system then, but that's all I had to go on.
I expect if that comparison was done now, it may be more obvious due to the improvement of room/speaker interaction, but who knows.
I'll buy one eventually and find out.
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Post by brucew268 on Jul 13, 2024 8:46:23 GMT
Having my ears alerted by the 701T in my room, I've been listening more closely for midrange glare from my other transports. I do hear some, even from the 6000CDT, just a fair bit lower than I had from the 701T since their tonality is not quite the same. After playing a bit with the room setup, I think I've got rid of it. That involved:
- Adjusting the angle of the acoustic panels directly to the side of each speaker, giving one 2" more vertical angle and giving the other 2" less vertical angle.
- Moving my listening position 4-5" closer to the speakers.
That seemed to clear things up and also improve the image layering. Since my listening room is only 11' wide, all the acoustic panels perhaps have more sensitive effect than for a larger room. I might just be able to be happy with my 6000CDT.
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Post by macca on Jul 13, 2024 9:19:48 GMT
I was fine with the sound quality from the 6000CDT I just hated the slot loading.
Fixing problems by tinkering with the digital front end is like trying to fix a poorly handling car by upgrading the windscreen wipers. You might feel better about the car once you've installed them, with the rosy satisfaction of a job well done, but that will soon wear off once you've driven it a few times.
Transports only operate in the digital domain, there's very little room for manoeuvre in terms of what it can 'sound like.'
But this is probably better in another thread.
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Post by brucew268 on Jul 13, 2024 9:21:35 GMT
Fixing problems by tinkering with the digital front end is like trying to fix a poorly handling car by upgrading the windscreen wipers. You might feel better about the car once you've installed them, with the rosy satisfaction of a job well done, but that will soon wear off once you've driven it a few times. Transports only operate in the digital domain, there's very little room for manoeuvre in terms of what it can 'sound like.' But this is probably better in another thread. Yes, and will be happy to disagree over there!
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Post by Arke on Jul 13, 2024 12:46:16 GMT
I was fine with the sound quality from the 6000CDT I just hated the slot loading. Fixing problems by tinkering with the digital front end is like trying to fix a poorly handling car by upgrading the windscreen wipers. You might feel better about the car once you've installed them, with the rosy satisfaction of a job well done, but that will soon wear off once you've driven it a few times. Transports only operate in the digital domain, there's very little room for manoeuvre in terms of what it can 'sound like.' But this is probably better in another thread. Perhaps you can advise me or bring a decent digital front end when you visit Martin? I currently listen to vinyl (most of the time) and can't get digital to sound agreeable. Strangely, midrange glare is one of the issues. Digital just sounds lifeless, glaring and flat in comparison to my vinyl setup. Technically, digital should be miles better. Perhaps we could try your TEAC? I have a Topping D30 DAC, maybe I need a better DAC?
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Post by antonio on Jul 13, 2024 13:00:14 GMT
@arke Oli's got our Soekris dac, you would be most welcome to give that a try in your system.
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Post by macca on Jul 13, 2024 13:04:13 GMT
I was fine with the sound quality from the 6000CDT I just hated the slot loading. Fixing problems by tinkering with the digital front end is like trying to fix a poorly handling car by upgrading the windscreen wipers. You might feel better about the car once you've installed them, with the rosy satisfaction of a job well done, but that will soon wear off once you've driven it a few times. Transports only operate in the digital domain, there's very little room for manoeuvre in terms of what it can 'sound like.' But this is probably better in another thread. Perhaps you can advise me or bring a decent digital front end when you visit Martin? I currently listen to vinyl (most of the time) and can't get digital to sound agreeable. Strangely, midrange glare is one of the issues. Digital just sounds lifeless, glaring and flat in comparison to my vinyl setup. Technically, digital should be miles better. Perhaps we could try your TEAC? I have a Topping D30 DAC, maybe I need a better DAC? Nothing to do with your DAC or the transport/server whatever IMO. You want PEQ. Back off the mids just a bit. Exactly how much and over what and how much bandwidth will depend on the speaker, room and your personal taste but it works astonishingly well. If you're using a computer source with Roon or some similar software that will have PEQ you can experiment with. If not, some DACs like the RME have it, you can get a used one for about £500 And you need to experiment, listen, experiment, listen. Measuring with mic is no good for this sort of thing. You can make it too soft and dull quite easily but the PEQ lets you do very fine adjustment so it can be got just right. It's a bit of a learning curve to work out how to implement it, but not a steep one. Seriously, you will be abandoning the vinyl once it's sorted.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 13, 2024 13:18:06 GMT
@arke Oli's got our Soekris dac, you would be most welcome to give that a try in your system. Bloody hell, I forgot I had that! Sorry Dave. I'll sort that cable out and get it all sent back.
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Post by antonio on Jul 13, 2024 13:32:45 GMT
@arke Oli's got our Soekris dac, you would be most welcome to give that a try in your system. Bloody hell, I forgot I had that! Sorry Dave. I'll sort that cable out and get it all sent back. No rush since I thought it might be handed over if this get together takes place.
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Post by Arke on Jul 13, 2024 13:37:12 GMT
Perhaps you can advise me or bring a decent digital front end when you visit Martin? I currently listen to vinyl (most of the time) and can't get digital to sound agreeable. Strangely, midrange glare is one of the issues. Digital just sounds lifeless, glaring and flat in comparison to my vinyl setup. Technically, digital should be miles better. Perhaps we could try your TEAC? I have a Topping D30 DAC, maybe I need a better DAC? Nothing to do with your DAC or the transport/server whatever IMO. You want PEQ. Back off the mids just a bit. Exactly how much and over what and how much bandwidth will depend on the speaker, room and your personal taste but it works astonishingly well. If you're using a computer source with Roon or some similar software that will have PEQ you can experiment with. If not, some DACs like the RME have it, you can get a used one for about £500 And you need to experiment, listen, experiment, listen. Measuring with mic is no good for this sort of thing. You can make it too soft and dull quite easily but the PEQ lets you do very fine adjustment so it can be got just right. It's a bit of a learning curve to work out how to implement it, but not a steep one. Seriously, you will be abandoning the vinyl once it's sorted. Thanks Martin. Yeah, you're right I need to experiment and listen with many options. Sadly EQ won't help as digital currently sounds lifeless and flat through the entire frequency range. A few people have heard it and can attest to it's poor quality vs vinyl. Maybe it's an unfair comparison....
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Post by macca on Jul 13, 2024 13:53:44 GMT
Nothing to do with your DAC or the transport/server whatever IMO. You want PEQ. Back off the mids just a bit. Exactly how much and over what and how much bandwidth will depend on the speaker, room and your personal taste but it works astonishingly well. If you're using a computer source with Roon or some similar software that will have PEQ you can experiment with. If not, some DACs like the RME have it, you can get a used one for about £500 And you need to experiment, listen, experiment, listen. Measuring with mic is no good for this sort of thing. You can make it too soft and dull quite easily but the PEQ lets you do very fine adjustment so it can be got just right. It's a bit of a learning curve to work out how to implement it, but not a steep one. Seriously, you will be abandoning the vinyl once it's sorted. Thanks Martin. Yeah, you're right I need to experiment and listen with many options. Sadly EQ won't help as digital currently sounds lifeless and flat through the entire frequency range. A few people have heard it and can attest to it's poor quality vs vinyl. Maybe it's an unfair comparison.... No, you're right, even a cheap digital front end should out perform any turntable at any price - in strictly hi-fi terms anyway. There may be more than one issue. What is your entire set up?
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Post by Arke on Jul 13, 2024 13:59:08 GMT
Thanks Martin. Yeah, you're right I need to experiment and listen with many options. Sadly EQ won't help as digital currently sounds lifeless and flat through the entire frequency range. A few people have heard it and can attest to it's poor quality vs vinyl. Maybe it's an unfair comparison.... No, you're right, even a cheap digital front end should out perform any turntable at any price - in strictly hi-fi terms anyway. There may be more than one issue. What is your entire set up? I'll post on my blog at some point, this is drifting a bit too much now. The TEAC transport is certainly something I'd like to try.
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