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Post by brucew268 on Jun 4, 2024 11:45:16 GMT
This conversation comes up from time to time with some saying that late night listening sounds better. Some say imagination; some say it’s because the house and neighbourhood are quieter; some say it’s because of less demand on the power grid and fewer noise-creating appliances in the neighbourhood; someone said it has to do with the effect of temperature change on the power grid. I’ve also noticed that it sounds better with my eyes open with the lights off than eyes closed or lights on. I think that is because the senses are more alert as the brain automatically starts looking and listening more closely for clues when one can’t see. Strangely this doesn’t happen when I close my eyes, maybe the brain knows I’ve willfully turned off the sense of sight so the ears don’t try to compensate. But back to electricity. I found this chart of electricity usage in the average UK household, summer and winter, weekdays and weekends. This might predict that the best time is between midnight and 6am, with the next best 11am to 3:30pm.
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Post by antonio on Jun 4, 2024 12:37:18 GMT
Midnight till 6am it is then. We don't notice any difference although we turn the music off by 7pm. I do occasionally listen with my eyes closed, that's probably before I nod off. We are generally doing something while the music is playing, reading, on pc, studying form .
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Post by brucew268 on Jun 4, 2024 13:10:12 GMT
Midnight till 6am it is then. I wonder if there is an argument to be made that it's not just the amount of electricity usage but the type of usage? I would think kettles, hair tongs, and some space heaters would be the electrically noisiest items, but I also suspect that brass circuit breakers have some sort of interrupt effect on some aspects of electrical noise. Given my constitution and my household, midnight to 6am listening will never happen.
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Post by misterc on Jun 4, 2024 14:29:29 GMT
This is where PCF & regen's come in handy, or a mains voltage stabiliser will help somewhat (reg lol). Also depends on where you are in the mains distribution scheme of things, at the end of line (small transformer at the pole bottom of the road etc), close to industrial units, or lots of offices with UPS & lighting circuits dumoing all that common mode back into the mains.
Don't think solar power helps that much you have a big ass inverters to convert dc<>ac and that's painful for SQ.
Still could be worse could be in France, mains there is shiteeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Post by antonio on Jun 4, 2024 15:25:54 GMT
brucew268 "Given my constitution and my household, midnight to 6am listening will never happen." It ain't happening here either Bruce, I'm lucky if I can stay awake later than 10pm. Strange, I don't seem to suffer the same when I'm abroad.
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Post by Arke on Jun 4, 2024 16:27:58 GMT
My system seems to sound better after 9 to 10pm, but that may be because I'm relaxed and have sometimes had a drink!
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Post by pete on Jun 4, 2024 21:39:46 GMT
My system seems to sound better after 9 to 10pm, but that may be because I'm relaxed and have sometimes had a drink! Just testing out your observations Arke and also thoughts of others; it is now just about dark. So testing eyes closed or open. I recon eyes open in dark room is better. Listening to Nirvana live at Reading and it is getting better the later it gets, might also be directly proportional to consumption of beverages. Will need to do further testing varying music being listened to, and separately, to keep tests fair, varying beverage. In all seriousness though I am enjoying the music more the later in the evening it gets….. and enjoying the music is what counts.
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Post by bencat on Jun 4, 2024 22:07:54 GMT
My system always sounds better when I have a large Islay malt to sip .
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Post by antonio on Jun 5, 2024 4:47:37 GMT
pete Have a joint as well and it improves even more.
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Post by pete on Jun 5, 2024 8:00:12 GMT
pete Have a joint as well and it improves even more. I know we are going away from the interesting and thoughtful posts at the start, but thinking about it again, it’s all to do with our perception and what we perceive as better. Measurements will tell us the engineering or scientific truth, but with everything it is how we perceive it that matters to the individual. So by doing something that changes our perception may change what we think is better. Which could explain different times of day, sitting in the dark, etc, as much as having a glass of beer or whisky, changes our perception of what is better.
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Post by optical on Jun 6, 2024 10:02:27 GMT
It's ambiance which allows your brain to "take it easy".
You don't sit in a cinema with the lights on, it'd be shi* as your senses are all on max.
Darkening a room focuses your senses so (when listening to music or watching a film), but when listening to music specifically, your eyes aren't doing as much and let's the ears take centre stage so to speak.
There is also some truth (in my opinion) in the power grid being quieter at night but how much of a difference this makes depends on other factors. Like how far away you are from the local power station/supply spur box etc.
Blocks of flats with air con etc are notoriously the worst.
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Post by rexton on Jun 7, 2024 20:24:18 GMT
Just a quick spoiler. Even with a decent mains regenerator music quality can sound Sh#t at specific times of day. I have PS Audio P10, ok, not the best bit certainly not Sh#t. Late evening seems to be the best for me,
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Post by macca on Jun 8, 2024 7:12:10 GMT
If we're looking for reasons then a big drop in mains voltage could effect sound quality but that's very rare and most likely to happen around tea-time. Other than having your own generator nothing will fix that.
The mains is always very noisy, none of that noise makes it through rectification, that's demonstrable, so it's a non-issue.
We are the variable.
I usually have a long listening session on Saturday afternoon and another on Sunday. Sometimes it's better on Saturday, sometimes on Sunday. Sometimes it's about the same.
All depends on what mood I'm in - which depends on what I ate, how good a kip I had, other things on my mind, and so on. The sound coming out the speakers doesn't change, but I do.
Late night there's often less background noise - that could drop from 60 dB to 30db and suddenly you're hearing little details that were previously masked. Plus you've been awake 14 hours or more, the analytical part of the brain is shutting down, you're more relaxed, the music washes over you better.
And if you had a drinkie all bets are off anyway. Booze will massively upgrade all but the most terrible of systems. When I quit it took me a good year, maybe more, to fully relearn how to enjoy listening to music.
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Post by macca on Jun 9, 2024 12:38:27 GMT
Great example of what I'm talking about above - had a session yesterday afternoon, two albums, that was enough. I wasn't feeling it.
Today, after a day's rest yesterday and another solid 9 hour's kip last night, system sounds fantastic. Mesmerizing in fact.
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Post by antonio on Jun 9, 2024 13:36:00 GMT
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Post by macca on Jun 9, 2024 14:26:18 GMT
It knits up the raveled sleeve of care.
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Post by pete on Jun 9, 2024 15:57:16 GMT
It knits up the raveled sleeve of care. Very poetic 😁
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Post by antonio on Jun 9, 2024 16:30:26 GMT
It knits up the raveled sleeve of care. Very poetic 😁 Must be a 'posh' poet and don't know it.
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Post by macca on Jun 9, 2024 17:26:35 GMT
Shakespeare was quite poetic - on the quiet like.
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