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Post by antonio on Jun 24, 2024 15:47:51 GMT
@arke Sorry to miss you, we did say quick hellos to a couple of friends from pfm and they were the only people we knew. We try to do the same Jason, but by the time we'd got round it was nearly home time.
I understand what you are saying, and I've already said this to Mark. I have a bamboo chopping board which I'm cutting down to the correct size, it's 1.5cm deep and I thought placing a few small pieces underneath could be the perfect solution. I'll leave you to think that one over.
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Post by misterc on Jun 25, 2024 10:32:50 GMT
Man, what a busy week! have only just got the demo system back in a running 20 minutes ago, now feeling the signs of getting older! Would like to a big thank you to all of the forum chaps that dropped in to say hallo and chat, Andy & Ali (long dog duo bless em')Ian R/Ginnam/SteveW/Macca/Jason with his brother/Paul Knipe/Mike Valentine (he gave his thumbs up!) Alan in a very fetching leather kilt and good lady/Dave & his brother and many more others that dropped in I'm sorry I didn't say hello or catch your names, the weekend was incredibly busy Saturday was the best I have ever seen the NWAS superb attendance and many more ladies who stayed and listened for quite a few tracks, Sunday morning was a bit of an 80's but the Whippet thrashers loved it!. A very good vibe about the whole show, relaxed and very good natured. No drama's this year we took three pairs of speakers and four amplifiers lol! Arrived at Cranage at 9.40amm Friday and Kris and his great team had the whole large van unloaded and equipment in the room at 10.10am, by far and away the best service/promotion and organisation of ANY UK show no question. Also, to Tony & his team at the hotel another great group of hard-working souls who made the show run very smoothly indeed. Plus the pigs who again always make their presence felt and were perfect media partners for the event. Had music playing by 2pm, initial set up partially happy by 5pm, finished up with around 45% of performance in the domestic environment. So a good result. Saturday morning, we found a resonant issue on the RH speakers giving some outer sound field boundary forwardness and odd room vibration, turned out to be a empty TAD speaker box, soon remedied. Have to say though the GE-1 had started to change again, now I know I have over 1100 hours on them. Anyway even Sunday they were still opening up! The number of visitors to room that was expressing very positive comments about the room as the left was very encouraging even the pink fish boys were complimentary, many familiar faces returned from last year and beyond all stayed for 30 mins plus or made multiple visits. WE did entertain requests this year much to some people joy/disgust delete as musical tastes dictated lol. So, to all those that ventured into the Coherent Systems a big thank you, we know you can't please everyone and we all like different aspects of sound, however we felt we put on a respectable quality sound that demonstrated what we are about in terms of the purity of sound. Yes, it was as the adverts used to say reassuringly expensive' however we are capable of working at and with every level, the larger cost equipment is just one part of group so don't be worried, everyone is treated the same whatever you wish do. Many thanks from the Coherent Team
Peter 'Silver fox' W / Pete 'The hat' S / Tim 'Codemaster' Price / Anne 'Her Majesty Queen of the Nile' ADR / Yours truly the not so grumpy silverback this year
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Post by Arke on Jun 25, 2024 10:58:26 GMT
It's been a busy weekend, so I am just getting some time to sit at the laptop and share some thoughts. My Brother joined me at the show, so he and his family have been staying for the weekend - not had any downtime behind the keyboard until now...
I thoroughly enjoyed the show, but, as always, found it tough to get around all the rooms. We usually whip round everything as quick as we can and then revisit the highlights.
Sorry, I have no photos as completely forgot!
I'll cover things in a few sections; the highlights, the lowlights and the 'other mentions'
HIGHLIGHTS:
Coherent Systems:
First mention has to go to Tony and Coherent Systems! That was a great system - the TADs are stunning speakers and an engineering Marvel. They sounded extremely precise, with great clarity and good imaging. Unfortunately, I struggled to make any real assessments of the bass performance - this is something I was keen to hear! The Coherent room adjoined other rooms which seemed to continuously pump out high volume noise with pumping bass. This drowned out the bass of the TADs and made it hard to assess the actual bass performance. Consequently, the TADs had to be louder than I like too - it's sadly a common drawback at shows! Perhaps one day I'll take a listen in a better environment! That being said, it was still good to hear what very high end can do.
Saltwood Sounds:
A newcomer and surprise find were Saltwood Sounds. A small company comprising 3 guys who reside in Spain. Their small, 2-way floorstanders had a beautiful cabinet and wonderful sound with impressive clarity, transparency and control. There were a few issues, but I believe these were mainly due to the setup and room (more in a bit). I was immediately drawn to cabinet build quality and selection of drivers. The 8" bass driver was a Purifi unit and something I've been keen to hear. The tweeter, an SB Acoustics Beryllium dome. On paper, some very special drivers. The Purifi drivers measure extremely well and have class leading (low) distortion. To my ears, they didn't disappoint - incredible clarity and precision. Of course, such a revealing pair of drive units aren't for everyone! The partnering electronics have to be up to scratch or the speakers will highlight each and every issue. IMHO these speakers could be paired with MUCH better electronics and the sound would benefit greatly. The incredible potential was already evident, but I believe there is much more available from these speakers. The other challenge for any exhibitor are the room issues and noisy environment. Unfortunately, the 'Saltwood' room (like all the smaller rooms) provided a very strong room mode at 40Hz and around 80Hz too. These speakers had some serious bass power and the room modes were adding a little too much to the mix.
Kerr Acoustics:
Always a decent performance from the Kerr speakers - great drivers and well implemented designs. We heard the K200s and were very impressed with the overall sound and great bass from the 12" bass drivers. Sadly, didn't get long enough here, but liked what we heard.
Various Kudos speakers:
Kudos Audio titans (606, 707 and 808s) were used on various systems and I was generally pretty impressed with the sound. Decent balance through the Frequency range; good, controlled and deep bass. good clarity and transparency. My only slight issue (perhaps systems and rooms too) was a slight lack of body in the mids and HF.
Tannoy and Sugden:
Enjoyed listening to some Tannoys ( Stirlings I think) with a Sugden pre/power. Sounded pretty good together. Not super pricey and produced a decent sound.
LOWLIGHTS:
KIIs:
The new KII sevens were on demo. These are something I've been keen to hear for a while - KIIs have a good following, so I was keen to take a listen. I wanted to hear the KII threes, but had to settle for the newer Sevens. At about £8k they are an 'all-in-one' digital package. Sadly, they really didn't do it for me! Yes, they are a convenient package and produce an OK bass for their size, however, much better could be achieved at this price. The sound (IMO) lacked any real clarity and they weren't on point tonally. To my ears, instruments and vocals were veiled and lacked any real naturalness.
KEF Blades:
For the price, these were poor IMO. OK bass, but lacked realistic modulation and tonality. Seemed very coloured from upper bass and through the mids - tonally some way off! HFs lacked body and any realistic presentation. A striking cabinet and interesting design, but that's where it ended for me.
G-point Audio - Destination Audio NIKA speakers:
Went it in a few times, every time hoping for better... Large 3 way horn speakers which produced a reasonably BIG sound. However, that's all they did for me - a very muffled, slow and 'thick sound' - really not good to my ears.
Amphion Krypton:
I had hoped for much better from these. At nearly £20k they didn't really impress. A strong 35Hz room mode wasn't helping and the bass boom was smothering everything - just a downside of the show environment! Even so, they just didn't have the clarity and precision I had hoped for.
OTHER MENTIONS:
Node Audio:
Interesting speaker design and a pretty unique concept. A relatively small sphere with a 3 way design and a complex 3D printed transmission line. Produced pretty decent bass for its size, but sadly performance was not commensurate with the £35k price tag. Midrange and HF lack decent body, timbre and tonal balance. Bass obviously had it's limits too. Something for a penthouse apartment IMHO...
Monitor Audio Hyphn:
Certainly not bad, but way off the pace for a £70k price tag. Pretty decent bass and not bad through the whole range. However, I wasn't convinced by the pairing of 4 bass drivers to the 'flower array' mids. The mids just didn't blend seamlessly enough to the bass drivers for me. Such a small radiating area for mids didn't seem to pair with 4 larger bass drivers.
Chasing the Dragon:
Audiophile recordings and direct cut vinyl - an interesting demo, but could be slightly shorter. The choice and genres is very limited, so only worth it if you're into what they do. I have some of the direct cut classical recordings and do find the SQ exceptional. They were using some Falcon IMF 200 speakers. For the price (under £3k) a very capable speaker. Pretty decent through the Frequency range, just a slight issue with the transmission line bass - lots of bass on tap, but perhaps a little lagging behind the mids.
All in all, a very enjoyable show and many of the decent performances weren't at the higher price tags. Annoyed I missed the RFC Rubato as these promised to be quite special.
There were more highlights and lowlights, but can't quite recall it all. This is all obviously just my opinion and my ears! It seems from other reports that we all have very different highs and lows! I guess that's the beauty of this hobby!
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Post by macca on Jun 26, 2024 19:51:01 GMT
You went in a lot of rooms I didn't.
I was also impressed with the various Kudos speakers. I know people like them with Naim amps which is a bit of a red flag for me but they were not what I expected.
The Kef Blades never sound good at that show - don't know if anyone notice what amps they were using?
They should really be absolutely stunning but never are.
The Kiis can be set up to sound any way you want - over all the dems I have had of them they sounded quite different each time, because it was a different person who'd set them up and they all tweak them to their own idea of 'good.'
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Post by Arke on Jun 26, 2024 20:03:41 GMT
You went in a lot of rooms I didn't. I was also impressed with the various Kudos speakers. I know people like them with Naim amps which is a bit of a red flag for me but they were not what I expected. The Kef Blades never sound good at that show - don't know if anyone notice what amps they were using? They should really be absolutely stunning but never are. The Kiis can be set up to sound any way you want - over all the dems I have had of them they sounded quite different each time, because it was a different person who'd set them up and they all tweak them to their own idea of 'good.' Tried to visit most rooms, but still missed a few. The Kudos speakers use similar SEAS drivers (but lower in the range) to my speakers so the sound is familiar. However, I do find them a little forward with less body and texture - much of that could be the partnering system too (not a fan of Naim). Yep, perhaps they had setup the Kiis very badly. Just sounded like a Makita stereo the builders use on a building site. Perhaps I'll hear the threes at some point. |
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Post by hifinutt on Jun 27, 2024 14:14:31 GMT
Just one more sleep... maybe this year there will be some speakers I want that don't cost more than I paid for my house? Not holding my breath though. those rubato cost under 2k and alchris stuff is amazing for the money too |
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Post by alit on Jun 27, 2024 15:30:00 GMT
It's been a busy weekend, so I am just getting some time to sit at the laptop and share some thoughts. My Brother joined me at the show, so he and his family have been staying for the weekend - not had any downtime behind the keyboard until now... I thoroughly enjoyed the show, but, as always, found it tough to get around all the rooms. We usually whip round everything as quick as we can and then revisit the highlights. Sorry, I have no photos as completely forgot! I'll cover things in a few sections; the highlights, the lowlights and the 'other mentions' HIGHLIGHTS:Coherent Systems: First mention has to go to Tony and Coherent Systems! That was a great system - the TADs are stunning speakers and an engineering Marvel. They sounded extremely precise, with great clarity and good imaging. Unfortunately, I struggled to make any real assessments of the bass performance - this is something I was keen to hear! The Coherent room adjoined other rooms which seemed to continuously pump out high volume noise with pumping bass. This drowned out the bass of the TADs and made it hard to assess the actual bass performance. Consequently, the TADs had to be louder than I like too - it's sadly a common drawback at shows! Perhaps one day I'll take a listen in a better environment! That being said, it was still good to hear what very high end can do. Saltwood Sounds: A newcomer and surprise find were Saltwood Sounds. A small company comprising 3 guys who reside in Spain. Their small, 2-way floorstanders had a beautiful cabinet and wonderful sound with impressive clarity, transparency and control. There were a few issues, but I believe these were mainly due to the setup and room (more in a bit). I was immediately drawn to cabinet build quality and selection of drivers. The 8" bass driver was a Purifi unit and something I've been keen to hear. The tweeter, an SB Acoustics Beryllium dome. On paper, some very special drivers. The Purifi drivers measure extremely well and have class leading (low) distortion. To my ears, they didn't disappoint - incredible clarity and precision. Of course, such a revealing pair of drive units aren't for everyone! The partnering electronics have to be up to scratch or the speakers will highlight each and every issue. IMHO these speakers could be paired with MUCH better electronics and the sound would benefit greatly. The incredible potential was already evident, but I believe there is much more available from these speakers. The other challenge for any exhibitor are the room issues and noisy environment. Unfortunately, the 'Saltwood' room (like all the smaller rooms) provided a very strong room mode at 40Hz and around 80Hz too. These speakers had some serious bass power and the room modes were adding a little too much to the mix. Kerr Acoustics: Always a decent performance from the Kerr speakers - great drivers and well implemented designs. We heard the K200s and were very impressed with the overall sound and great bass from the 12" bass drivers. Sadly, didn't get long enough here, but liked what we heard. Various Kudos speakers: Kudos Audio titans (606, 707 and 808s) were used on various systems and I was generally pretty impressed with the sound. Decent balance through the Frequency range; good, controlled and deep bass. good clarity and transparency. My only slight issue (perhaps systems and rooms too) was a slight lack of body in the mids and HF. Tannoy and Sugden: Enjoyed listening to some Tannoys ( Stirlings I think) with a Sugden pre/power. Sounded pretty good together. Not super pricey and produced a decent sound. LOWLIGHTS:KIIs: The new KII sevens were on demo. These are something I've been keen to hear for a while - KIIs have a good following, so I was keen to take a listen. I wanted to hear the KII threes, but had to settle for the newer Sevens. At about £8k they are an 'all-in-one' digital package. Sadly, they really didn't do it for me! Yes, they are a convenient package and produce an OK bass for their size, however, much better could be achieved at this price. The sound (IMO) lacked any real clarity and they weren't on point tonally. To my ears, instruments and vocals were veiled and lacked any real naturalness. KEF Blades: For the price, these were poor IMO. OK bass, but lacked realistic modulation and tonality. Seemed very coloured from upper bass and through the mids - tonally some way off! HFs lacked body and any realistic presentation. A striking cabinet and interesting design, but that's where it ended for me. G-point Audio - Destination Audio NIKA speakers: Went it in a few times, every time hoping for better... Large 3 way horn speakers which produced a reasonably BIG sound. However, that's all they did for me - a very muffled, slow and 'thick sound' - really not good to my ears. Amphion Krypton: I had hoped for much better from these. At nearly £20k they didn't really impress. A strong 35Hz room mode wasn't helping and the bass boom was smothering everything - just a downside of the show environment! Even so, they just didn't have the clarity and precision I had hoped for. OTHER MENTIONS:
Node Audio: Interesting speaker design and a pretty unique concept. A relatively small sphere with a 3 way design and a complex 3D printed transmission line. Produced pretty decent bass for its size, but sadly performance was not commensurate with the £35k price tag. Midrange and HF lack decent body, timbre and tonal balance. Bass obviously had it's limits too. Something for a penthouse apartment IMHO... Monitor Audio Hyphn: Certainly not bad, but way off the pace for a £70k price tag. Pretty decent bass and not bad through the whole range. However, I wasn't convinced by the pairing of 4 bass drivers to the 'flower array' mids. The mids just didn't blend seamlessly enough to the bass drivers for me. Such a small radiating area for mids didn't seem to pair with 4 larger bass drivers. Chasing the Dragon: Audiophile recordings and direct cut vinyl - an interesting demo, but could be slightly shorter. The choice and genres is very limited, so only worth it if you're into what they do. I have some of the direct cut classical recordings and do find the SQ exceptional. They were using some Falcon IMF 200 speakers. For the price (under £3k) a very capable speaker. Pretty decent through the Frequency range, just a slight issue with the transmission line bass - lots of bass on tap, but perhaps a little lagging behind the mids. All in all, a very enjoyable show and many of the decent performances weren't at the higher price tags. Annoyed I missed the RFC Rubato as these promised to be quite special. There were more highlights and lowlights, but can't quite recall it all. This is all obviously just my opinion and my ears! It seems from other reports that we all have very different highs and lows! I guess that's the beauty of this hobby! Heard the Kryptons at the Leamington show a few years ago, one of the best sounds I’ve heard at a show. Just shows how hard it can be to get good sound in a hotel room. |
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Post by Arke on Jun 27, 2024 15:37:06 GMT
Heard the Kryptons at the Leamington show a few years ago, one of the best sounds I’ve heard at a show. Just shows how hard it can be to get good sound in a hotel room. Agreed, it is certainly a challenge. I plan to exhibit at some point, but wouldn't bother if it were only a small room. Also, it seems that we all prefer very different types of sounds at shows. I'm sure we all hear differently and I think we strongly prefer the sound we are accustomed to too. |
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Post by Arke on Jun 27, 2024 16:51:13 GMT
Just heard that the Amphion Krypton 3x's (with Hegel) were awarded best sound in show from visitor votes.
Eek, I'd better get my hearing checked out! TBF they were stupidly bassy (due to a very powerful room mode) and many people are a sucker for a full bottom end.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jun 27, 2024 17:18:30 GMT
Just heard that the Amphion Krypton 3x's (with Hegel) were awarded best sound in show from visitor votes. Eek, I'd better get my hearing checked out! TBF they were stupidly bassy (due to a very powerful room mode) and many people are a sucker for a full bottom end. Lol ....these awards....good grief. |
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Post by antonio on Jun 27, 2024 17:27:24 GMT
We weren't keen on the Amphion floorstander, but the smaller stand mount Argo 1? with Hegel amp sounded very good.
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Post by misterc on Jun 27, 2024 18:14:11 GMT
What I would say here is, the locals up there have very specific tastes in how it sounds, that sound I agree wasn't the top in my book easily surpassed by many other rooms, BUT remember it is ex naim land so that forward type of sound that is leading edge driven will always be preferable there. I didn't get the accusnooze & Tannoy room at all, but that's me lol The Audio note room was way better as was Jez's room. I will make an observation here two important factors here COST plays a big part on the visitors perceptions and Auden distribution sponsored hifi pig's media coverage Fifty best sound cards are given out to visitors to leave with who they see fit, Jez had five, Missing Link had two, Brady's had two, we had four (thank you Alan) so some politics will always be evident. If you are looking at pound per buck then the Booki's should have won imho
Normally I'm diplomatic here, although the Kef blades & subs again way off the mark, only ever listened to the blades once and thought ok not bad, but none at shows more with clients.
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Post by Arke on Jun 27, 2024 18:47:04 GMT
What I would say here is, the locals up there have very specific tastes in how it sounds, that sound I agree wasn't the top in my book easily surpassed by many other rooms, BUT remember it is ex naim land so that forward type of sound that is leading edge drive will always be preferable there. I didn't get the accusnooze & Tannoy room at all, but that's me lol The Audio note room was way better as was Jez's room. I will make an observation here two important factors here COST plays a big part on the visitors perceptions and Auden distribution sponsored hifi pig's media coverage Fifty best sound cards are given out to visitors to leave with who they see fit, Jez had five, Missing Link had two, Brady's had two, we had four (thank you Alan) so some politics will always be evident. If you are looking at pound per buck then the Booki's should have won imho
Normally I'm diplomatic here, although the Kef blades & subs again way off the mark, only ever listened to the blades once and thought ok not bad, but none at shows more with clients.
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Post by misterc on Jun 27, 2024 18:53:12 GMT
I know we are still waiting for the Pig's video of the show, but this chap does a resonable job will give you an idea. Auden distribution starts at 1 hour 7 minutes in.
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Post by jandl100 on Jun 27, 2024 19:50:18 GMT
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Post by misterc on Jun 28, 2024 7:43:32 GMT
I call them accudoze. Its quite funny Jerry, one of the countries leading exponents of whippet thrashery & toe tappingness has 'progressed' over to Accusnooze almost as an antidote to naim, so from bleeding edge two dimensionality, textural bleaching and virtually zero trailing note decay, to a big warm tonally good anomophic sound, which has very little PRaT and the dynamics of trabant. Somewhat ironic really 
Very recently I used the E1's with a Accusnooze E500 power amplifer, no issue to drive the speakers at all, just the resultant sound was shall we say a large puddle of mud with the ability to captivate you akin to soggy fish & chips in Margate on a very damp Monday afternoon during Janurary's closed season.
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Post by alit on Jun 28, 2024 9:27:19 GMT
Though I thought they sounded great at Leamington, I've heard them subsequently and they didn't sound anywhere near as good- I was quite disappointed!
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Post by antonio on Jun 28, 2024 9:32:57 GMT
misterc You've got to come to Grimsby/Cleethorpes for your fish and chips. I don't think Acusnooze would be good for us, although two or three rooms were using Luxman (often grouped together with Acusnooze) and non of those rooms sounded bad, in fact one sounded very good, can't remember which one.
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Post by misterc on Jun 28, 2024 9:38:35 GMT
Luxman has more pop than accusnooze, but can be a bit upfront if used with the wrong speakers.
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Post by Arke on Jun 28, 2024 9:47:44 GMT
What I would say here is, the locals up there have very specific tastes in how it sounds, that sound I agree wasn't the top in my book easily surpassed by many other rooms, BUT remember it is ex naim land so that forward type of sound that is leading edge drive will always be preferable there. I didn't get the accusnooze & Tannoy room at all, but that's me lol The Audio note room was way better as was Jez's room. I will make an observation here two important factors here COST plays a big part on the visitors perceptions and Auden distribution sponsored hifi pig's media coverage Fifty best sound cards are given out to visitors to leave with who they see fit, Jez had five, Missing Link had two, Brady's had two, we had four (thank you Alan) so some politics will always be evident. If you are looking at pound per buck then the Booki's should have won imho
Normally I'm diplomatic here, although the Kef blades & subs again way off the mark, only ever listened to the blades once and thought ok not bad, but none at shows more with clients.
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Post by misterc on Jun 28, 2024 9:57:45 GMT
Jason
Jez 'Kerr Acoustics' and Alchris 'Booki' speakers imho both good in different ways I'm not a fan of volt drivers although imho Jez has made them sound very listenable.
The key telling feature for sound preference in the area of the UK is anything with more 90bpm is accpeted whether dance high energy pop, big rock etc it fills the room instantly, on Saturday we had a session between 11.30 & 2pm and the room was solid, I believe the there will be a full promotion video soon, we had one videographer with a nice gimbled rig stayed in the room for 15 minutes and got some really nice footage and sounds.
Stll can't believe that Hegel rig got six cards lol, it was average at best, as I mentioned others far more worthy then that set up lol
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Post by Arke on Jun 28, 2024 10:15:12 GMT
Jason Jez 'Kerr Acoustics' and Alchris 'Booki' speakers imho both good in different ways I'm not a fan of volt drivers although imho Jez has made them sound very listenable. The key telling feature for sound preference in the area of the UK is anything with more 90bpm is accpeted whether dance high energy pop, big rock etc it fills the room instantly, on Saturday we had a session between 11.30 & 2pm and the room was solid, I believe the there will be a full promotion video soon, we had one videographer with a nice gimbled rig stayed in the room for 15 minutes and got some really nice footage and sounds. Stll can't believe that Hegel rig got six cards lol, it was average at best, as I mentioned others far more worthy then that set up lol Ah OK, got it. Sadly, I missed Alchris (not sure how) and agree that Kerr had a great sound. |
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Post by ijrussell on Jun 28, 2024 12:26:39 GMT
We weren't keen on the Amphion floorstander, but the smaller stand mount Argo 1? with Hegel amp sounded very good. The smaller standmounts were Argon 3. . |
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Post by jandl100 on Jun 28, 2024 14:41:46 GMT
Luxman has more pop than accusnooze, but can be a bit upfront if used with the wrong speakers. .... or if used with the wrong sort of music. I've had a close comparative listen to 3 Luxman amps. As it happens, 2 of the systems used Harbeth SHL5 speakers They've all had a Terrible Tizz at the Top. Unlistenable on classical music imo. Screechy trumpets and scratchy violins. Yuck. They can sound great on some material, though. |
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Post by misterc on Jun 28, 2024 15:39:42 GMT
I must admit Jerry, I've only listened to them on Dali's/Dyn's/Quad's which are again very safe, but not as safe as Best RP 1950's announcers voice mode on "Hello & welcome to the BBC" Harbeth's If they are hard on Harbeths's good grief must double up as an audio jack-hammer then, best not use with a chord dave then  |
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Post by savvypaul on Jun 29, 2024 9:24:29 GMT
A friend tells me that, these days, Harbeths have gold badges and are a bit 'tinkly up top'. That sounds dangerously like 'new money'. If you want RP, you'll have to retrieve the BC1s from the butler's flat...
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Post by macca on Jun 29, 2024 11:37:28 GMT
With regards to Accusnooze/Accudoze I don't know about their source components but I don't see anything in the amplifier that would give it these qualities One measured here www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/review-and-measurements-of-accuphase-e-270-amplifier.6220/Okay it has some issues that it shouldn't have at the price but they're pretty minor. What makes a system sound boring? I would say rolled off top end or a lot of noise. This doesn't have either. There's a bloke on forums called 'Orbscure' who had some Accuphase kit at the Wigwam show when it was in Stoke that one time. Best room in the show by a margin and there were some good rooms. Anyway I love the looks and the build quality, who cares what it sounds like? |
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Post by antonio on Jun 29, 2024 11:48:58 GMT
"Anyway I love the looks and the build quality, who cares what it sounds like?" You, me and every other forum member. |
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Post by misterc on Jun 29, 2024 13:10:16 GMT
I have three pieces of AS, I don't get a hard sound at all, what I do get obtain is a big warm, very safe quite open and utterly grain free sound, although its as interesting as watching an England match at the moment.
Maybe Martin, as the look and feel of the product is a big plus for you. Could be time to stick other electronics inside which you prefer an older case possibly? That way the best of both worlds could be achieved.
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Post by macca on Jun 29, 2024 13:42:27 GMT
I have three pieces of AS, I don't get a hard sound at all, what I do get obtain is a big warm, very safe quite open and utterly grain free sound, although its as interesting as watching an England match at the moment. Maybe Martin, as the look and feel of the product is a big plus for you, ou could stick other electronics inside which you prefer an older case possibly? That way the best of both worlds could be achieved. I'm already where I want to be aesthetically, although it's not the Accuphase look, I'm pretty happy with that side now. It's a good idea though. Some of the electronics at that show were shockingly ugly. I mean for looks I'd rate the PS Audio stuff quite high up from what else was there, and that looks like something you might find in an ICU, but at least it has a 'look'. Example - Hegel - all that money being asked and its got nothing going on visually. |
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