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Post by hifinutt on May 1, 2024 14:06:22 GMT
Anyone enjoy Thrax amplifiers ? Bulgarian made . been around a while . had one here for a bit with the Tannoys and probably one of the best amps i ever had . its a valve integrated and just sings P1050289 by , on Flickr P1050287 by p, on Flickr P1050253 by , on Flickr
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Post by antonio on May 1, 2024 15:00:53 GMT
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Post by misterc on May 1, 2024 15:05:59 GMT
Have a had a couple over the last few years, with the right speakers can be very good converisely can be quite average as well Rumin the man nice chap, I believe Obi @ Winters Audio is the man to ask on these.
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Post by hifinutt on May 1, 2024 15:46:31 GMT
yes Firebottle and brumjam came over to hear the Thrax used with harbeth shl5plus and the tannoy eaton. We liked it with the Eatons but the harbies were not as good . Good to know winters audio does them . they are quite good vfm at 12.5k just noticed he is based in an accountants office , must be fun adding up sums to Led Zeppelin at 100 db
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Post by misterc on May 1, 2024 16:57:33 GMT
The amp is capable of much more with high end speakers Phil, much more Jason's would really benefit from an amplifier like this, under rated imho. Not for me though, although genuinelly very good its gets a 7.2 from me
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Post by Arke on May 1, 2024 17:39:11 GMT
The amp is capable of much more with high end speakers Phil, much more Jason's would really benefit from an amplifier like this, under rated imho. Not for me though, although genuinelly very good its gets a 7.2 from me I'd happily try one if one is ever available for demo. Guessing they're not cheap though....
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Post by misterc on May 1, 2024 17:44:46 GMT
Jason, imho I would be getting involved with some higher end brands as your items are now in the five figure region, pair them well and you could upset a few high end transducers will do your credibility no harm at all.
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Post by hifinutt on May 2, 2024 14:29:18 GMT
The amp is capable of much more with high end speakers Phil, much more Jason's would really benefit from an amplifier like this, under rated imho. Not for me though, although genuinelly very good its gets a 7.2 from me I'd happily try one if one is ever available for demo. Guessing they're not cheap though.... 12.5k
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Post by Arke on May 2, 2024 15:21:36 GMT
I'd happily try one if one is ever available for demo. Guessing they're not cheap though.... 12.5k 😲. I won't be buying one of those then! Some way over budget
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Post by jandl100 on May 2, 2024 15:45:29 GMT
😲. I won't be buying one of those then! Some way over budget Come, come. Phil thinks "they are quite good vfm at 12.5k". 😂
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Post by Arke on May 2, 2024 16:46:06 GMT
😲. I won't be buying one of those then! Some way over budget Come, come. Phil thinks "they are quite good vfm at 12.5k". 😂 Well, it's more than I've spent on my entire setup... I could sell the car and half the furniture in the house, and my bikes... Can't believe it's good enough VFM for me. I'd happily change/upgrade my Purifi if someone can bring a better £2k amp over (2nd hand is fine).
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Post by Bigman80 on May 2, 2024 17:03:39 GMT
Come, come. Phil thinks "they are quite good vfm at 12.5k". 😂 Can't believe it's good enough VFM for me. Here here.
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Post by macca on May 2, 2024 17:46:57 GMT
😲. I won't be buying one of those then! Some way over budget Come, come. Phil thinks "they are quite good vfm at 12.5k". 😂 They are compared to their 300B monoblocs which are $100K the pair.
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Post by hifinutt on May 2, 2024 18:33:49 GMT
😲. I won't be buying one of those then! Some way over budget Come, come. Phil thinks "they are quite good vfm at 12.5k". 😂 well compared to the gryphon 333 at 3 times that and so many other high end integrated it does seem vfm but yes its still expensive !!
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Post by macca on May 2, 2024 19:31:32 GMT
I had a listen to a system with Griffin monoblocks and big Marten speakers and it was terrible.
Properly bad, unpleasant. Not just 'Not to my taste.'
Now I'm not saying that was the amps or speakers but shows that this silly money stuff won't save the day if something has been got wrong somewhere in the system.
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Post by Arke on May 2, 2024 19:35:50 GMT
I had a listen to a system with Griffin monoblocks and big Marten speakers and it was terrible. Properly bad, unpleasant. Not just 'Not to my taste.' Now I'm not saying that was the amps or speakers but shows that this silly money stuff won't save the day if something has been got wrong somewhere in the system. Was that at Cranage a few years ago? If so, I heard it and agree.
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Post by macca on May 2, 2024 19:56:17 GMT
I had a listen to a system with Griffin monoblocks and big Marten speakers and it was terrible. Properly bad, unpleasant. Not just 'Not to my taste.' Now I'm not saying that was the amps or speakers but shows that this silly money stuff won't save the day if something has been got wrong somewhere in the system. Was that at Cranage a few years ago? If so, I heard it and agree. Yes it was, can't recall if it was last year or the year before. They all blend into one.
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Post by antonio on May 3, 2024 5:13:14 GMT
😲. I won't be buying one of those then! Some way over budget Come, come. Phil thinks "they are quite good vfm at 12.5k". 😂 Now you come on Jerry, no amplifier should cost more than £10k, you can ask macca.
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Post by macca on May 3, 2024 5:38:49 GMT
Come, come. Phil thinks "they are quite good vfm at 12.5k". 😂 Now you come on Jerry, no amplifier should cost more than £10k, you can ask macca . curiously that is what the amp I use would cost if it were still made today, allowing for inflation. That's normal inflation, not hi-fi inflation. With hi-fi inflation it would be more than double that. There's no practical reason to pay that kind of money for an amplifier. I could replace it with something just as capable for a little over £1K new. Ofc there's non-practical reasons to pay more than that.
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Post by macca on May 3, 2024 5:43:06 GMT
Jason, you are always welcome to come over and borrow some amplifiers if you want to have a play around. I have lots
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Post by Arke on May 3, 2024 6:23:36 GMT
Jason, you are always welcome to come over and borrow some amplifiers if you want to have a play around. I have lots Thanks Martin, I may well take you up on that. What is your main amp?
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Post by Bigman80 on May 3, 2024 6:33:58 GMT
Jason, you are always welcome to come over and borrow some amplifiers if you want to have a play around. I have lots "Krell........Krells everywhere"
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Post by Arke on May 3, 2024 6:47:13 GMT
Jason, you are always welcome to come over and borrow some amplifiers if you want to have a play around. I have lots "Krell........Krells everywhere" Certainly be very interesting to hear... Probably a real contrast to the Purifi.
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Post by antonio on May 3, 2024 7:21:22 GMT
You did hear Audionet Jason.
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Post by Arke on May 3, 2024 7:39:34 GMT
You did hear Audionet Jason.  Very out of budget though. Hard to compare without the same room/system too. My room and vinyl front end makes things sound very different
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Post by antonio on May 3, 2024 7:52:30 GMT
Now you come on Jerry, no amplifier should cost more than £10k, you can ask macca . curiously that is what the amp I use would cost if it were still made today, allowing for inflation. That's normal inflation, not hi-fi inflation. With hi-fi inflation it would be more than double that. There's no practical reason to pay that kind of money for an amplifier. I could replace it with something just as capable for a little over £1K new. Ofc there's non-practical reasons to pay more than that. Your changing your tune. Previously, nothing was mentioned about practical and capable. I'm sure there are many practical and capable amplifiers out there that cost £10k or less but that doesn't make them the best sounding, or possible to make without upping the retail price. I don't want to get into arguments about the cost of amplifiers, my post original post was done as a joke.
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Post by misterc on May 3, 2024 7:59:06 GMT
Here's my take, your speakers are five figures now in cost genuine potential clients will have a system that components will be in that region as well. If you are demoning Purfi or similar cost items then many of them may well not be to keen. It's human nature. This is not about the cost, this is about you challengiing their own rationale on why the purchased products 'x' & 'y' imho. These chaps are not in a 'mass market' purchase situtaion imho
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Post by optical on May 3, 2024 8:18:49 GMT
Here's my take, your speakers are five figures now in cost genuine potential clients will have a system that components will be in that region as well. If you are demoning Purfi or similar cost items then many of them may well not be to keen. It's human nature. This is not about the cost, this is about you challengiing their own rationale on why the purchased products 'x' & 'y' imho. These chaps are not in a 'mass market' purchase situtaion imho Hang on, this is not a "how to flog more expensive gear to clients" thread. What's written there may well be 'real world' but goes strongly against the ethos of this forum (in my opinion). Why not show people that they may not need to spend £££££'s on a certain component, when an item with one (or two!) less figures will bring the same enjoyment (in terms of SQ at least)? The speakers you refer to are only just above construction cost, with very reasonable labour added on Jason's part. I see no positives in pairing these items (which still represent superb value) with something holding a high percentage mark up. It's irrelevant whether the 'client' can afford it or not. The speakers still represent excellent value for money (as is Troels ethos) but putting them with more esoteric (unnecessarily expensive) components is doing them a disservice (again, only in my opinion). Of course if you're just trying to stroke their ego and extract more cash from them . . . . on the seller's head be it . . . .
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Post by antonio on May 3, 2024 8:44:04 GMT
I can see both sides of the argument, but lets be honest, spending £10k plus on speakers it is unlikely the purchaser will be partnering them with a £1k amp even though it maybe a great vfm amplifier. Of course someone coming to dem Jason's speakers would be most welcome to bring their own amp I'm sure.
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Post by optical on May 3, 2024 8:56:37 GMT
I can see both sides of the argument, but lets be honest, spending £10k plus on speakers it is unlikely the purchaser will be partnering them with a £1k amp even though it maybe a great vfm amplifier. Of course someone coming to dem Jason's speakers would be most welcome to bring their own amp I'm sure. If it weren't for Jason/Oli/this forum, I certainly wouldn't own a pair of 10k+ speakers. No chance. After I'd heard them I moved heaven and earth to get the funds together to bag them. Granted I'm not the average buyer of high end speakers, but like I say, without the aforementioned approach, I wouldn't have them, and that would suck. Of course I am not naive enough to profess that they wouldn't or can't sound better with such amps. My point is that it seems these amps don't represent the same sort of value as the speakers and therefore don't have much interest for me.
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