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Post by lurch on Mar 17, 2024 19:36:12 GMT
Had a couple of friends over yesterday to hear the MastersounD and Ti, also stuck the Umami in the mix. Umami didn't stay too long though as we all preferred the presentation of the Ti and more so once I tweaked the VTA (1mm down from dead level) so will be looking to move the Umami Red on in the not to distant future. Today my upstairs tenant buggered off at 4am for 2 days, I've been sat here since about 5am mostly repeating the same phrase"WTF". The openness, air, detail, heft, punch, extension, speed and tonality, all off the charts. This amp has been transformative in my system. Yes I knew MastersounD amps were good having heard the Mk1 845 Reference, owning the PHL5 Pre and reading the reviews of the Compact, even so its performance level has shocked me. Money well spent me thinks.
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 17, 2024 21:00:23 GMT
Had a couple of friends over yesterday to hear the MastersounD and Ti, also stuck the Umami in the mix. Umami didn't stay too long though as we all preferred the presentation of the Ti and more so once I tweaked the VTA (1mm down from dead leavel) so will be looking to move the Umami Red on in the not to distant future. Today my upstairs tenant buggered of at 4am for 2 days, I've been sat here since about 5am mostly repeating the same phrase"WTF". The openness, air, detail, heft, punch, extension, speed and tonality, all off the charts. This amp has been transformative in my system. Yes I knew MastersounD amps were good having heard the Mk1 845 Reference, owning the PHL5 Pre and reading the reviews of the Compact, even so its performance level has shocked me. Money well spent me thinks. The Winny is a special cartridge, Nay, very special. Sound like you've hit paydirt there mate, well done.
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Post by lurch on Mar 24, 2024 14:43:21 GMT
Popped these little beauties in the system today.
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 24, 2024 14:46:50 GMT
Popped these little beauties in the system today. Didn't i read that this wasn't happening?
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Post by lurch on Mar 24, 2024 15:06:04 GMT
Yeah you did, but..... Spent 2 weeks kicking myself, couldn't get the bloody things out of my head. So glad I went for it, the insight and additional subtleties they bring out of the mix along with deeper (19hz) tighter more nuanced bass and a greater sense of ease.
Great thing is the seller delivered them and is delivering my MLs to the Buyer in Colchester on his way back to Stowemarket and also took the 2 ways in PX.
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 24, 2024 15:13:04 GMT
Yeah you did, but..... Spent 2 weeks kicking myself, couldn't get the bloody things out of my head. So glad I went for it, the insight and additional subtleties they bring out of the mix along with deeper (19hz) tighter more nuanced bass and a greater sense of ease. Great thing is the seller delivered them and is delivering my MLs to the Buyer in Colchester on his way back to Stowemarket and also took the 2 ways in PX. Well thats great news! I thought those ML's were going to hang around forever lol. I like Heco. Great result. Well done!
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Post by bencat on Mar 24, 2024 15:21:58 GMT
I am ducking behind the sofa as I write this John are you going to bring these to the Maverick Show ? Ducks as John throws bricks at me . If so could I ask that you bring at least one digital source ? I really would love to hear these but just can not listen to Vinyl for any time long enough to enjoy the music .
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Post by lurch on Mar 24, 2024 15:35:28 GMT
I am ducking behind the sofa as I write this John are you going to bring these to the Maverick Show ? Ducks as John throws bricks at me . If so could I ask that you bring at least one digital source ? I really would love to hear these but just can not listen to Vinyl for any time long enough to enjoy the music . No not bringing this year but will look at funding myself a conference room next year to do things properly and do them justice. Inorder to bring a full rig (inc digital) I'd need a transit sized van as a minimum. Each box is 1500x900x500 and weighs 75kg.
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Post by lurch on Mar 26, 2024 17:36:02 GMT
The Dreiklangs continue to astonish me, yes they're frigging humongous, but they take up less real estate in my 12x14 room with only 20cm to sidewalls and being only 15cm further forward than my rack. I've also found they don't need turning up to sound superb, yes they're capable of SPLs of 120dB according to a German review but they also do delicacy, scale and detail at conversation levels. Today I've been listening at low level and apart from a couple of tracks i.e. Yello, The Rythm Divine, I've felt no desire to turn them up, not something I've encountered before.
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Post by antonio on Mar 27, 2024 5:25:32 GMT
I have to say there is something 'right' with the looks of those speakers, pleased you are liking them. The system has certainly moved up a notch, maybe it's time to improve that tt, ever thought of a TW Acoustics or Brinkmann.
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Post by lurch on Mar 27, 2024 13:31:41 GMT
Cheers Dave. The only thing that really let's the side down now is the 6000CDT, it's a very good sounding transport when partnered with appropriate level equipment. Unfortunately with the last two acquisitions I've moved beyond that level so it's performance is borderline. It now sounds a bit thin and muffled compared to the TT and Innuos, I'm guessing the MastersounD and Dreiklangs are exposing its weak points.
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Post by antonio on Mar 27, 2024 15:36:29 GMT
I don't believe you even need to use your cd player if you have ripped all your cd's, just keep it as a spare in case your Innuos breaks down.
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Post by lurch on Mar 27, 2024 18:53:54 GMT
Nope, not ripped, can't be arsed, much prefer physical media. Did have 450Gb of ripped music on it but deleted it as never accessed it. If I'd known about the Pulse/Pulsar at the time I would have hung fire a couple of months until it was available instead of getting the ZeniTH.
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Post by antonio on Mar 28, 2024 8:20:05 GMT
lurch Get your lazy arse out of bed now you're retired and get them cd's ripped, it'll save you a grand or more with not having to buy a cdt.
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Post by macca on Mar 28, 2024 8:49:28 GMT
Cheers Dave. The only thing that really let's the side down now is the 6000CDT, it's a very good sounding transport when partnered with appropriate level equipment. Unfortunately with the last two acquisitions I've moved beyond that level so it's performance is borderline. It now sounds a bit thin and muffled compared to the TT and Innuos, I'm guessing the MastersounD and Dreiklangs are exposing its weak points. I looked up the Mastersound and it has very high input impedance on the unbalanced this might be why you are hearing problems with the Audiolab in this new set up. You could try using a DAC with balanced outputs into the balanced inputs of the Mastersound as those have much lower input impedance - or deploy a pre-amp and use the Mastersound as a power amp only. www.stereophile.com/content/mastersound-845-compact-integrated-amplifier-measurementsI strongly suspect this will solve the issue.
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Post by lurch on Mar 28, 2024 14:30:58 GMT
Cheers Dave. The only thing that really let's the side down now is the 6000CDT, it's a very good sounding transport when partnered with appropriate level equipment. Unfortunately with the last two acquisitions I've moved beyond that level so it's performance is borderline. It now sounds a bit thin and muffled compared to the TT and Innuos, I'm guessing the MastersounD and Dreiklangs are exposing its weak points. I looked up the Mastersound and it has very high input impedance on the unbalanced this might be why you are hearing problems with the Audiolab in this new set up. You could try using a DAC with balanced outputs into the balanced inputs of the Mastersound as those have much lower input impedance - or deploy a pre-amp and use the Mastersound as a power amp only. www.stereophile.com/content/mastersound-845-compact-integrated-amplifier-measurementsI strongly suspect this will solve the issue. Unfortunately that's the latest iteration of the Compact. Mine is the earlier version with SE only Capability, the manual states 100k ohm input impedance. Not sure it's causing the problem though as the Innuos feeds into the same DAC and no issues with the sound of the ZeniTH. 1 DAC, 2 different sources in, 2 very different qualities of sound out. That says to me it's a mediocre source causing the problem.
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Post by brucew268 on Mar 28, 2024 16:15:10 GMT
Yes, but do we know the output impedance of each source -- similar or rather different? The Audiolab is 75 Ohm
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Post by lurch on Mar 28, 2024 17:49:40 GMT
ZeniTH is USB, so not got a scobbie.
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Post by lurch on Mar 28, 2024 18:01:16 GMT
In other news, Audio T in Portsmouth had a 9000CDT demo unit so popped down this afternoon with my 6000 for an audition. A totally blind audition actually, both units behind me, shop bloke did the swaps. I put fingers in ears whilst he did (different loading/unloading sounds as slot Vs draw), he tapped me on shoulder when done so could remove fingers from ears. Didn't know what transport he started with, but could easily tell player A from B. A couple of times he didn't swap and I just said no change. Whilst not a smack in the mouth difference the 9000 was better. I have paid £100 as a home loan deposit, once back from Mum's I will fire it up in my system to see what's what. I've got it atleast for a long weekend if I want. I asked if had any in stock if I wanted one, he said no but was sure he could sort a mutually acceptable price for the loaner as ex'dem/open box to save me a return journey. Let's not get too excited and just see how we go for a few days.
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Post by brucew268 on Mar 28, 2024 21:23:07 GMT
Yes, but do we know the output impedance of each source -- similar or rather different? The Audiolab is 75 Ohm
Duh, don't know where my head was. The (analog) output impedance of the DAC is the thing, and you're using both sources into the same DAC. Sorry for wasting time.
You might be interested in the video from the livestream shootout of CD transports on Alpha Audio, which I think included the 9000. Decent but they liked others better in the price range and said what and why. Of course you have jump around through a couple hours of indexed video to get the comments on each unit.
But then they said some things during the livestream which didn't make it into print. For instance, they thought the 9000 was trying to sound impressive but felt it somehow showed that it was trying too hard whereas the other couple they liked better did that more naturally. Those were the Atoll DR200 and the Tentlabs B-Drive.
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Post by lurch on Mar 29, 2024 9:21:10 GMT
Thanks for that Bruce, an interesting read, I agree with their 'detail monster's comment for the 9000, last night stuff was being pulled out I'd not heard before on either CD, streaming or vinyl. Not only does it pull out smaller quieter instruments and spacial clues, but also voice inflections and additional timbral info. Have only listened for around 3 hours so far but things are looking good. Not as rich/warm as my old Lector but everything sounds right, not only is the space and air back but it has a great tonality that's even-handed across the board. One thing I did notice was that things seemed to get better throughout the evening, my guess is that this player didn't have many hours on the clock so was 'burning in, I therefore left it running on repeat when I switched the system off last night. I will leave it on repeat when not listening for the duration of my trial period, it should then have a known 100hrs under its belt by the time I start the final listening session Monday evening.
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Post by brucew268 on Mar 29, 2024 9:40:36 GMT
Thanks for that Bruce, an interesting read, I agree with their 'detail monster's comment for the 9000, last night stuff was being pulled out I'd not heard before on either CD, streaming or vinyl. Not only does it pull out smaller quieter instruments and spacial clues, but also voice inflections and additional timbral info. Have only listened for around 3 hours so far but things are looking good. Not as rich/warm as my old Lector but everything sounds right, not only is the space and air back but it has a great tonality that's even-handed across the board. One thing I did notice was that things seemed to get better throughout the evening, my guess is that this player didn't have many hours on the clock so was 'burning in, I therefore left it running on repeat when I switched the system off last night. I will leave it on repeat when not listening for the duration of my trial period, it should then have a known 100hrs under its belt by the time I start the final listening session Monday evening. Note my additional edits just now to the above post.
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Post by lurch on Mar 29, 2024 11:02:02 GMT
Yep, jumped through the YT vid, and as they say for 9000 different dac, diff kit then probably different sonic result. Think that's what's happened here, there's no sense of strain or trying to hard that I can discern.
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Post by lurch on Mar 30, 2024 22:49:32 GMT
Well the 9000CDT is now mine, gave Audio T a bell and they knocked £100 off to reflect its ex-dem status. Hopefully that's it for a while as I think £14.3k is quite enough to spend on hifi in 6 weeks. Only original stuff left from the old rig is ZeniTH, Black Ice, USB Regen and all the wires.
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Post by robbiegong on Mar 30, 2024 22:56:45 GMT
Well the 9000CDT is now mine, gave Audio T a bellband they knock £100 off to reflect its ex-dem status. Hopefully that's it for a while as I think £14.3k is quite enough to spend on hifi in 6 weeks. Only original stuff left from the old rig is ZeniTH, Black Ice, USB Regen and all the wires. Good for you, cant take it with you when the time comes - live while you're alive, you've worked those decades, it's your time now
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 31, 2024 9:02:04 GMT
Well the 9000CDT is now mine, gave Audio T a bell and they knock £100 off to reflect its ex-dem status. Hopefully that's it for a while as I think £14.3k is quite enough to spend on hifi in 6 weeks. Only original stuff left from the old rig is ZeniTH, Black Ice, USB Regen and all the wires. Easy to get carried away isn't it. Looks like you've made some wise moves though, judging from what you have written. Enjoy!
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Post by lurch on Mar 31, 2024 15:11:51 GMT
Well the 9000CDT is now mine, gave Audio T a bell and they knock £100 off to reflect its ex-dem status. Hopefully that's it for a while as I think £14.3k is quite enough to spend on hifi in 6 weeks. Only original stuff left from the old rig is ZeniTH, Black Ice, USB Regen and all the wires. Easy to get carried away isn't it. Looks like you've made some wise moves though, judging from what you have written. Enjoy! Yes it is, but I've always been a bit full on with my hobbies and take everything to the max my pocket can stand. Anyway once I get me arse in gear and sell the excess from my whirlwind changes: Kef 104ab SF Toy Towers MA R352 QA C20 Puresound A30 IA ST40 MK4 SE Umami Red 6000CDT I will be around £3k up and have a better sounding system to what I had in November 23 when I started the de-investment. Which in my books is a result.
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 31, 2024 15:36:27 GMT
Easy to get carried away isn't it. Looks like you've made some wise moves though, judging from what you have written. Enjoy! Yes it is, but I've always been a bit full on with my hobbies and take everything to the max my pocket can stand. Anyway once I get me arse in gear and sell the excess from my whirlwind changes: Kef 104ab SF Toy Towers MA R352 QA C20 Puresound A30 IA ST40 MK4 SE Umami Red 6000CDT I will be around £3k up and have a better sounding system to what I had in November 23 when I started the de-investment. Which in my books is a result. Can't argue with that. Well done, great to see you making strides towards a system improvement and staying in the green!
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Post by lurch on Apr 16, 2024 15:22:41 GMT
Guess who's been a naughty boy. 😶🌫️
Yes that's right, I just couldn't leave things alone. Have swapped all my Shawline ICs (1x 0.5m, 1x 1m analogue & 1x 1m coax) for Epic, well worth the investment though to my ears. Hopefully I can now last more than 17 days before I pull the trigger on something else for the rig.
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Post by robbiegong on Apr 16, 2024 16:00:56 GMT
Guess who's been a naughty boy. 😶🌫️ Yes that's right, I just couldn't leave things alone. Have swapped all my Shawline ICs (1x 0.5m, 1x 1m analogue & 1x 1m coax) for Epic, well worth the investment though to my ears. Hopefully I can now last more than 17 days before I pull the trigger on something else for the rig. Lol, you've got it bad at the mo haven't you, we've all been there......
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