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Post by peterthebutcher on Jan 13, 2024 11:58:26 GMT
many recording studios have "nearfield" monitors, roughly 1 - 1.5 meters from the listening seat at the mixing desk... My Amphions are about 2 -m 2.5 meters away
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Post by macca on Jan 13, 2024 12:02:25 GMT
They do but in the mastering suite it's much more like a home set up with the speakers some distance away.
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Post by jandl100 on Jan 13, 2024 13:25:41 GMT
Is that right? Stereo recordings can be, and often are, made with a closely spaced microphone pair, with the L and R mic less than a foot apart or even coincident with a small vertical spacing. You wouldn't hear the stereo effect with the two speakers touching each other. So it's quite a bit more complicated than a speaker simply being a mic in reverse. Must confess I'd not really looked into this before. I found this article very interesting www.dpamicrophones.com/mic-university/stereo-recording-techniques-and-setupswhat I meant was a mic works by moving air hitting its diaphragm and creating a voltage, a speaker works by a voltage causing a driver to move air. Ah, statement of the obvious, I thought you were trying to be more profound than that! 😂 |
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Post by macca on Jan 13, 2024 14:11:46 GMT
what I meant was a mic works by moving air hitting its diaphragm and creating a voltage, a speaker works by a voltage causing a driver to move air. Ah, statement of the obvious, I thought you were trying to be more profound than that! 😂 not me guvnor! |
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Post by bencat on Jan 14, 2024 13:15:47 GMT
Apologies to all I am not making myself clear on this and my reactions to it . I have heard quite a few set ups and some that were cited as being exceptional for their creation of a decent sound stage . My Quads are one such speaker . In all cases when there was a soundstage created it may well have stretched beyond the speakers in width and depth but this was never much more than a few feet behind the speakers .
What I am hearing in these two cases with two different systems and rooms one with two subs involved is really something I have never heard before . There is a huge wide and deep impression of a real space behind the speakers that for the studio recorded music that I play varies with the recording but offers a very fixed and tight image of all the players and singers in there own space. Now at the same time the usual bass , mid , treble we all know is there with in the case of the Wharfdales more bass than that size of speaker had a right to produce . I am not suggesting that this extreme placement would work with large 3/4 way speakers or even with just large speakers though Jerry seems to indicate a slight increase of space behind worked for him . I think this sort of effect may well be at its most with small two way speakers on stands which are quite directional in nature anyway . I am not sure why this effect happens but I am sure that ii is a very natural and convincing mirage that is repeatable . I can try and guess why it makes things sound better etc but the truth is I have no real idea why or how it could be like this .
I am asking if possible for some one else with no connection to me to try this using some small stand mounts and let us all know what they hear . I am sure that in my room the set up offered a very big improvement in hearing the music closer to how it was meant to sound but there is no real chance that I would be able to have such a set up for regular listening . As to the set up being similar to near field monitoring in the studio while yes you are sitting close to the speakers they are often close to a back wall or the glass viewing window in to the studio so this is nothing like the placement I have outlined .
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Post by macca on Jan 14, 2024 13:59:24 GMT
Since the two things are - sitting very close and speakers a long way out from the wall I'm going to suggest that it has something to do with arrival times of reflected sound.
What you don't want for good imaging is the reflected sound arriving at your ears very close in time to the direct sound.
So being close to the speaker and the speaker a long way from the boundaries means direct sound dominates over reflected.
So you'd be right in thinking that you are hearing something closer to the actual recording.
Anyway just chucking that out there as a possible reason for the effect.
Re the QUAD ESL - Think I am right in saying the QUADs have very narrow directivity - so less reflected sound. But you need to sit right in the sweet spot with those speakers.
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