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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2018 21:51:54 GMT
Here are some very tasty speakers built by a friend of mine his take on the ATC 100 SCM Monitor. Using the SCM 100 bass and Mid driver and the Scan Speak BE Tweeter. Finish and build is first class equal to any commercial product. His cabinets are slightly smaller and he has used a down firing port. Sound: I have heard the originals and in my opinion these just sound better to me very hard to fault.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2018 21:56:31 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2018 23:46:20 GMT
I'm jealous. Looks nice. Have fun!
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 22, 2018 2:02:41 GMT
Here are some very tasty speakers built by a friend of mine his take on the ATC 100 SCM Monitor. Using the SCM 100 bass and Mid driver and the Scan Speak BE Tweeter. Finish and build is first class equal to any commercial product. His cabinets are slightly smaller and he has used a down firing port. Sound: I have heard the originals and in my opinion these just sound better to me very hard to fault. You have to,admire the build and finish of those. They surpass most commercial products.
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Post by antonio on Aug 22, 2018 5:05:54 GMT
Your friend has done a nice job with them.
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Post by dsjr on Aug 22, 2018 8:53:53 GMT
I'd recommend he goes active with them. Good reasons *with these drivers* as to why here...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 12:03:51 GMT
There is no benefit going active.......This has been proven, and not proven.
Discuss........
Nice (looking) speakers though......
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 12:17:50 GMT
The active versions are the ones he was inspired by, and the very same ones I listened to, I prefer his attempt.
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Post by dsjr on Aug 22, 2018 13:25:02 GMT
The pic in your file linked to has them driven by ARC amps I believe. These amps if tube designs will almost certainly change the balance and further screw around with the crossovers in these speakers - not purely an opinion as I'm certain it can be measured. The ATC active amps are precisely matched to the drivers used and if any of the drivers needs replacing, the phase and level matching needs to be precisely set, due to the mid dome not having any workable overlap as most two or three ways have (this is the main issue with this driver and in the past, no two batches were ever the same*). What I 'suspect' you're preferring is this extra compromise built in to the passive models and of course, bit expensive Top End amps always look better than a rear mounted plate with fins on and little else... earlier passive 100's I knew well always sounded inferior to the active version and it didn't matter one jot what the amp was! Back then it was only £1500 to convert a pair to active at the factory - probably several thousand now I admit I haven't heard the latest 100ASL's, but note the current ones have returned to having mid and top level controls, which mine lacked and really needed in the location I had them in. of course, domestic users don't have the same needs as pro's and hopefully you'll forgive me for having a toe in the pro side still, even if the rest of the feet are bridging the gulf between the two needs..
* Apologies, I had too many lunches with the powers that be in this company back in the day and many 'secrets' came out, one of them being the rather narrow bandwidth of the mid dome, how variable it was in production and how critical it is in these designs (when used as monitors especially) to get the driver matching spot-on for phase as well as frequency of the crossover. There was a sometimes heated thread on the defunct Zero gain forum about how compromised the ATC mid dome was when looked at on its own and PMC eventually abandoned their use and had a similar one made by Audax at the time due to the ATC's being so variable (PMC's Pete Thomas himself told me, so there!).
Have you heard these - Half the price of new ATC 100's and fabulously open, passive or otherwise -
A bit full of themselves sat on the floor, but I'm wondering if lifting them 30cm or so might not sort that. The tweeter in its waveguide is sublime and shows how well a 15" bass-mid can work with a tweeter, something the BBC types deny ('cos the current people lack the nous to try it and their market probably won't let them anyway!)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 19:31:39 GMT
I have heard good things about these JBL's have not had the opportunity to hear them.
I have heard the JBL array 1400 which is a very impressive speaker.
Lifting them might very well be a solution, give it a bash, been tempted to do that with my Klipsch KG 4's. Blokes say it works.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 19:40:49 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 22:40:43 GMT
These speakers are a lovely looking build. I'm very familiar with the active version of these, heard them dozens of times.
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Post by dsjr on Aug 23, 2018 8:42:03 GMT
I do miss mine, but things and circumstances have moved on hugely since and current 100ASL's barely look the same and with all the internals now changed, I believe the sound has evolved too. The JBL Synthesis models when first made in the late 80's? just weren't available for domestic listening, but a huge amount of work was apparently done on that fancy tweeter waveguide and it measures true and flat very low and very high. I've seen but not heard the smaller 12" three way (around six grand) and the one I really want to hear for good or ill, the 4312SE and derived relaunched L100 which looks better for domestic use - cheaper now because Chinese made?
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Post by Bigman80 on Aug 24, 2018 15:56:29 GMT
Any chance of you DIYing your own pair, Dave? I’m sure there would be loads of forum regulars who would help with bits you couldn’t manage.
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Post by macca on Aug 24, 2018 17:23:01 GMT
I do miss mine, but things and circumstances have moved on hugely since and current 100ASL's barely look the same and with all the internals now changed, I believe the sound has evolved too. The JBL Synthesis models when first made in the late 80's? just weren't available for domestic listening, but a huge amount of work was apparently done on that fancy tweeter waveguide and it measures true and flat very low and very high. I've seen but not heard the smaller 12" three way (around six grand) and the one I really want to hear for good or ill, the 4312SE and derived relaunched L100 which looks better for domestic use - cheaper now because Chinese made? I like the 100ASL but they are not as good as the JBL 4365 despite being active. The price is about the same if you allow around £6K for amplifiers for the JBLs.
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Post by dsjr on Aug 25, 2018 9:52:22 GMT
Any chance of you DIYing your own pair, Dave? I’m sure there would be loads of forum regulars who would help with bits you couldn’t manage. Too many negatives in the way and I can't currently play the main rig now either at ANY volume - I still live in hope.
Just frustration and nostalgia looking back on my former lost life.
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