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Post by peterthebutcher on Oct 31, 2022 15:39:28 GMT
I read a review in Hi Fi News the other day, about the Canton 7K. I filled in a question thing on the UK suppliers website, and within an hour he was ringing me, and arranging a demo at my local dealers, Analogue Seduction for the near future  Anyone have anything from this German manufacturer, or any comments about them? |
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Post by antonio on Oct 31, 2022 15:46:30 GMT
Heard of Canton, but not for a while. Will look forward to your thoughts after your demo.
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Post by lurch on Oct 31, 2022 16:16:02 GMT
When read the title I thought you was looking to see if anyone wanted to go on a foreign jaunt. 😂😂
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Post by Arke on Oct 31, 2022 16:29:19 GMT
Just read a review and they sound intriguing and well worth a listen. Certainly looks like they have put a lot of work into the construction and finish.
Be good to hear your thoughts - enjoy the demo.
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 31, 2022 16:56:34 GMT
From memory, so may not be 100% accurate:
MR Canton, HECO and Magnat all used to work for Brauns Audio division. Terrible acronym btw.
Upon suddenly no longer agreeing on the best way to make speakers, both Braun and each other, the three left and went off to build their own. FFW to many years later and the three all kind of occupy the same space in the German market. Heco are generally considered the better of the three, with Magnat the bottom of the pile. However, Cantons TOTL stuff measures REALLY well, certainly pushing the HECO speakers and in some cases surpassing them.
There are reports online of *some* Canton speakers having resonance in the cabinets, but that is anecdotal and not evidentiary.
I did a lot of research into these German speaker brands when i looked at HECO speakers for myself. Unfortunately i couldn't find a pair to suit my room. However, i did read that the three companies have been known to share R&D, so that cannot be a bad thing.
These German speakers are very good IMO, especially considering the HECO CELAN 702GT were £1k on eBay....ridiculous performance that many will struggle to beat in the same price bracket or up to abound £4k+ IMO.
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Post by hifinutt on Oct 31, 2022 17:02:53 GMT
canton have been around for years . you often see ads for them . There is such huge choice of speakers in UK i am not sure would be tempted by some
perlisten have been making a lot of noise recently and dealer near me has some
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Post by Bigman80 on Oct 31, 2022 17:38:20 GMT
canton have been around for years . you often see ads for them . There is such huge choice of speakers in UK i am not sure would be tempted by some perlisten have been making a lot of noise recently and dealer near me has some I'd take Canton, Heco or Qudral over any UK designed and made speaker i can think of. |
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Post by peterthebutcher on Dec 1, 2022 8:08:43 GMT
Just thought I would say that yesterday I had a demo of these speakers, and on speaking after, I said they would need to be demoed properly at home, this was agreed on. They sounded wonderful, but the ancillary gear was a lot better than what I had (Luxman amp (with VU meters) TQ Ultra black cable etc, hence asking if I could do a home demo. They were more open and without any brightness, excellent soundstage. But again I thought are they 5.7K worth it, over my 3.5K Amphions... Juries out on that one.
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Post by antonio on Dec 1, 2022 9:32:51 GMT
You really should do a home dem, but only you can judge whether they are worth the extra. I would also try a few other speakers as well.
We have recently demo'ed quite a number (9) of speakers, staying overnight twice due to the distance we have to travel and as yet have not found anything better at a reasonable cost compared to the speakers being replaced.
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Post by peterthebutcher on Dec 1, 2022 12:16:44 GMT
You really should do a home dem, but only you can judge whether they are worth the extra. I would also try a few other speakers as well. We have recently demo'ed quite a number (9) of speakers, staying overnight twice due to the distance we have to travel and as yet have not found anything better at a reasonable cost compared to the speakers being replaced. I have been very lucky with my 3LS speakers, they are very laid back, and what they may lack in bass (as I do not run them very loud) has been sorted with 2 well integrated subs from Rel. I have been told to listen to a set of ATC 40's, mate has them, and has asked me over to hear them with a Class D amp |
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Post by hifinutt on Dec 1, 2022 16:26:50 GMT
Atc with class d!!!! Ooh not sure about that one !!
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Post by antonio on Dec 1, 2022 16:31:52 GMT
Atc with class d!!!! Ooh not sure about that one !! Why? |
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Post by hifinutt on Dec 1, 2022 16:45:42 GMT
Because atc can sometimes sound a bit clinical in my opinion .guy from puresound sells his valve amps to atc owners .
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Post by antonio on Dec 1, 2022 16:59:58 GMT
Because atc can sometimes sound a bit clinical in my opinion .guy from puresound sells his valve amps to atc owners . But you're the one who has been pushing BelCanto amps as being super smooth? I thought ATC's needed plenty of watts to make them work, to be honest I can never remember seeing an ATC user with valve amps. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 1, 2022 18:22:28 GMT
When you get to the point where you can't use a particular pair of speakers with certain classes of amplification, I'm afraid you're already on a hiding to nothing IMO.
I also think it's pretty unfair to catagorise a particular class of amp as good or bad matches. The Monarchy Audio amps were class A, so was the Krell KSA 100.....you could not have found two amplifiers that sounded so different to each other.
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Post by macca on Dec 1, 2022 20:00:37 GMT
wigwam show had a a couple of systems where the speakers were totally unsuited to the valve amps being used and you could hear it. Slow, stodgy bass.
ATC with valves seems a very bizarre way to get were you're going but I've only heard the active ones, so maybe it works I don't know.
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 1, 2022 20:51:00 GMT
wigwam show had a a couple of systems where the speakers were totally unsuited to the valve amps being used and you could hear it. Slow, stodgy bass. ATC with valves seems a very bizarre way to get were you're going but I've only heard the active ones, so maybe it works I don't know. As you know Macca, if the amplifier isn't capable of driving a particular pair of speakers, which is usually in the realm of low power valve amps in truth, there is a real issue with sound and then yes, matching speakers to those types of amps is a must. However, ATC don't aim there speakers at the low power valve guys, so if there is an issue using certain types of amplification that can power them quite comfortably, like a Hypex or Purifi....one must consider the option that there may be a bigger issue. |
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Post by macca on Dec 1, 2022 21:46:51 GMT
wigwam show had a a couple of systems where the speakers were totally unsuited to the valve amps being used and you could hear it. Slow, stodgy bass. ATC with valves seems a very bizarre way to get were you're going but I've only heard the active ones, so maybe it works I don't know. As you know Macca, if the amplifier isn't capable of driving a particular pair of speakers, which is usually in the realm of low power valve amps in truth, there is a real issue with sound and then yes, matching speakers to those types of amps is a must. However, ATC don't aim there speakers at the low power valve guys, so if there is an issue using certain types of amplification that can power them quite comfortably, like a Hypex or Purifi....one must consider the option that there may be a bigger issue. Problem with those systems was impedance of the speaker not suitable for an amp with output transformers, or at least those amps they were using. Power wasn't the issue. ATC low sensitivity so low power amp whether valve or SS is not ideal but if you sit close and listen at low levels it would be okay. But personally, if I thought ATC were too clinical for me I'd change the speakers, not buy a valve amp to 'solve' it. That sounds like the sort of bad advice someone selling valve amps would give... |
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Post by peterthebutcher on Dec 2, 2022 8:25:52 GMT
You really should do a home dem, but only you can judge whether they are worth the extra. I would also try a few other speakers as well. We have recently demo'ed quite a number (9) of speakers, staying overnight twice due to the distance we have to travel and as yet have not found anything better at a reasonable cost compared to the speakers being replaced. I am going to demo a pair of ATC SCM40's next week. A good friend also has them and had the same Amphions before that |
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Post by peterthebutcher on Dec 2, 2022 8:29:50 GMT
Atc with class d!!!! Ooh not sure about that one !! Well just hope they work with Class D, as my newish PS M700 are going nowhere soon   |
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Post by antonio on Dec 2, 2022 8:53:26 GMT
You really should do a home dem, but only you can judge whether they are worth the extra. I would also try a few other speakers as well. We have recently demo'ed quite a number (9) of speakers, staying overnight twice due to the distance we have to travel and as yet have not found anything better at a reasonable cost compared to the speakers being replaced. I am going to demo a pair of ATC SCM40's next week. A good friend also has them and had the same Amphions before that What amplifier does your friend use Pete, no need to take your amps along for the first listen, but if you liked them and felt it was worth spending that kind of money, might be an idea to take along your PS Audio's 'just in case' for a 2nd hearing. It's not a small investment, don't go and get it wrong. |
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Post by peterthebutcher on Dec 2, 2022 9:29:34 GMT
I am going to demo a pair of ATC SCM40's next week. A good friend also has them and had the same Amphions before that What amplifier does your friend use Pete, no need to take your amps along for the first listen, but if you liked them and felt it was worth spending that kind of money, might be an idea to take along your PS Audio's 'just in case' for a 2nd hearing. It's not a small investment, don't go and get it wrong. I think (but don't quote me) he is using a Vincent as his regular amp, BUT its away for a repair so he using a Class D, not sure which one tho |
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Anyone have anything from this German manufacturer, or any comments about them?
