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Post by stevew on Jun 20, 2022 20:51:13 GMT
Well Simon, I have to give msyelf some comfort as I've hit 55 now
Three other items really stood out at the weekend show, the first being these bad boys , the second is on the third self down on the left hand rack, the shock on peoples faces when they found out they were listening to a 26 year old dac Finially gthe last stand out 'item' was a room that was displaying re imagined 'Briks' & the IN-famous six-pack 135's. While I may not be naim best brand ambassador this took audio reproduction to new heights of sonic grimness and without question the best method of non invaisive inner ear wax removal yet devised or unfortunately listend to albeit very, very briefly as I was walking past the pre show 'warm up' an in tune sex pistols concert had better sonic benefits than the prototype sonic weapo that was being developed in that 'exhibitors' suite
Me and my mate sat for about a minute listening to the naim/Brik combo. Then my mate looked at me and said something like ‘mucking bell’ and we walked.
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Post by sq225917 on Jun 20, 2022 23:36:23 GMT
That bricks room was shite, he didn't even have the decency to play it quietly. That's the 2nd worst sound Ive ever heard at a show. I've heard 6 pack bricks sound majestic before.
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Post by pete on Jun 21, 2022 10:31:49 GMT
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Post by misterc on Jun 21, 2022 10:50:59 GMT
The full horror is revealed at 2 minutes 33 seconds.
For that money you can have a pair fo kii towers and respectable streamer transport I notice they were using the Grim MU-1 or pair of the Tad E1-Tx's we were using an a quality amplifer for £12K lol
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Post by macca on Jun 21, 2022 11:06:59 GMT
Isobariks jammed into the corners? Is that what I just saw? On what planet does that make any sense?
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Post by misterc on Jun 21, 2022 15:43:40 GMT
Just spotted this comment concerning that particular room "I liked Simon Hamnett's Isobraics / Naim / Avondale room for scale and finesse across the range."
Now I am sorry, are we talking about the same sound?, yes we all hear and like different things BUT really?
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Post by stevew on Jun 21, 2022 15:58:14 GMT
Yes Pete.. same guy Just taken screen shots from his eBay page I thought with everything bonkers happening in the world I’d seen everything. But I really did hear these on Sunday and this really is what he is trying to sell them for.
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Post by misterc on Jun 21, 2022 16:32:07 GMT
Good Grief, ebay wankerism gone bonkers!
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Post by antonio on Jun 21, 2022 17:15:07 GMT
He's asking nearly £2,500 for each of those 135's I owned a pair of 135's, and they are a far better amp than the 250's imo, but that is ridiculous and as for the Isobarik's, I'm sure Tony would supply a far better speaker at half the price
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Post by macca on Jun 21, 2022 17:56:20 GMT
one too many zeros on the price of the amps, two too many zeros on the price of the speakers.
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Post by Pigmy Pony on Jun 21, 2022 20:20:27 GMT
it was a good show, I really enjoyed it. Quite a lot of youngsters (under 40s) there, wasn't all us old geezers. I now know what a £16 chicken burger tastes like too. (Outstanding, if you want to know. Which it bloody well should do at that price). You should have said Mm-mm, that is a tasty burger! Obviously did the job as I had to finish your chips
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Post by Pigmy Pony on Jun 21, 2022 20:27:49 GMT
Great write up Martin and agree with all your comments. Didn’t see as much as I would have liked, as my mate had to get off to a Father’s Day lunch. The Kii’s were amazing. Mind you, when we first sat down we didn’t realise they had just started a demo of the built in dsp. Sounded like a disco bar in Germany. Then when then switched in the room correction they were fabulous. Then they revealed we were only listening to the standmount section. Went home to see if I had £15k down the back of the sofa. Yeah, as Macca suggested afterward, the standmount part would be more than enough for most normal rooms. They really were extraordinary. The set up was demo'd for us using a track by Mongolian throat singing Metal band The Hu. Find one of their songs on the You Tube, play loud, and understand why alarms were going off in the car park
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Post by pete on Jun 21, 2022 20:31:55 GMT
Back to the Linn Naim set up, having moved from the 'dark side' I still see some of the comments on N**m pages.
The folk who set up Room 146 posted about their experiences and said: "We won three "best sound" awards from the visiting public", sounds a different set up to what was heard by fellow Audio Addicts.
I sold a pair of 135s pretty recently and know that a well sorted, serviced pair go for £2900 atm, or at least, that is what I got for them. I think the ones in the show had the Avondale NCC300 upgrades, that will account for the 'improvements' heard.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jun 21, 2022 21:24:55 GMT
Back to the Linn Naim set up, having moved from the 'dark side' I still see some of the comments on N**m pages. Comment following the show, from the people setting up the gear in room 146: "We won three "best sound" awards from the visiting public", guess visitors who are part of AA were not voting for them, based on what I have read. I sold a pair of 135s pretty recently and know that a well sorted, serviced pair go for £2900 atm, or at least, that is what I got for them. I think the ones in the show had the Avondale NCC300 upgrades, that will account for the 'improvements' heard. AA? Is that us?
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Post by pete on Jun 21, 2022 21:40:13 GMT
Just had a look at what I wrote and have edited for clarity Bigman80. Or, at least as clear as I ever get!
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Post by Bigman80 on Jun 21, 2022 21:41:45 GMT
Just had a look at what I wrote and have edited for clarity Bigman80. Or, at least as clear as I ever get! Oh ok. 👍
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Post by antonio on Jun 23, 2022 9:59:58 GMT
Especially for misterc a quote from pfm on their Cranage show thread "I liked Simon Hamnett's Isobraics / Naim / Avondale room for scale and finesse across the range"
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Post by misterc on Jun 23, 2022 10:11:45 GMT
Especially for misterc a quote from pfm on their Cranage show thread "I liked Simon Hamnett's Isobraics / Naim / Avondale room for scale and finesse across the range"
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Post by mikeyb on Jun 23, 2022 13:06:51 GMT
Sitting here trying to work out who’s ears are broken 😂
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Post by misterc on Jun 23, 2022 14:47:00 GMT
I have just had an interesting conversation with a couple of dealers regarding the WT&TP syndrome its not just a northern trait in any way.
Many of these people which have been effected/afflicted by years of having music thrown at them in an aggressive, two dimensional manner with bleached non textures dominating. This sound has bee ingrained in them as this 'go-to' sound they are attached to.
A great deal of common ground emerged even from the more traditional style of dealer if you.
Which back in the days of LP12's being touted as a quality deck and a nait2 was seen a class leading and 'Kan's were a staple in any self-respecting ' audiophiles' arsenal it was fine. Now time moves on, both with our musical choices and equipment. What we may have at the top of our must have sound traits when we started out is very different from today. I did spend time in around 20+ rooms at the show so I could grasp more about what those visitors were interested in sound wise and why, regardless of whether the equipment on show was liked or not. Personal preferences were excluded as this was a fact-finding mission. Generally, the standard of sound was good in most rooms, a few examples of grimness were on show, but for the most part it was of a decent standard. Three rooms stood out for me for producing a quality all round listenable sound, one expensive two at reachable cost. Three rooms quite frankly should be honed to fabricate sonic weapons of mass destruction shite wis to good a word to use. The bottom line though after reading a great deal of on-line feedback from many different reports across many different platforms are these: 1. I am completely deaf in both ears, I have zero concept of a cohesive sounding articlate sounding system and that bleeding edge treble is a god given right, the more exciting the sound the better it is. 2. To many customers 'purchase' with their eyes no question. 3. Demonstrating to people a different perspective on sound in a genuine non pressured way is way more helpful than being ' Tune dem'd' 4 No matter style/type of sound your prefer when you listen to something that is intrinsically correct the majority of the listeners are in agreement
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Post by sq225917 on Jun 23, 2022 19:06:11 GMT
I'm surprised no one has bothered to ask what the worst sound I've ever heard was, given how bad those bricks were.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jun 23, 2022 20:39:41 GMT
I'm surprised no one has bothered to ask what the worst sound I've ever heard was, given how bad those bricks were. Go on, I'll ask What was the worse?
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Post by sq225917 on Jun 23, 2022 22:59:19 GMT
It was at cranage one year some Harry Potter reject Hogwarts teacher looking dude from Brighton with a set of speakers he'd "designed" himself. Making some bullshit claims for crossoverless design and a patent claim that was a piss poor rehash of the original villchur bass reflex patent.
It was just two Sh#t drivers in a box, no attempt to match drive unit values to each other or the box, fucking awful,
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Post by misterc on Jun 24, 2022 10:00:19 GMT
It was at cranage one year some Harry Potter reject Hogwarts teacher looking dude from Brighton with a set of speakers he'd "designed" himself. Making some bullshit claims for crossoverless design and a patent claim that was a piss poor rehash of the original villchur bass reflex patent. It was just two Sh#t drivers in a box, no attempt to match drive unit values to each other or the box, fucking awful, Arh yes I remember Professor I've been 'Rumbledored' from the male bovine excrement house. A truly entertaining fellow suffering from epic delusions engineering prowess.
Yes Simon I must admit the mirth value was particularly plentiful in that particular room
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Post by macca on Jun 24, 2022 10:25:05 GMT
worst system I heard at Cranage was a few years back, Marantz CD into Albarry pre/power into some Royd or Allison speakers (can't recall which but fairly short floor stander with drivers pointing off at an angle). Just shockingly bad, presume it must have been the loudspeakers to blame although I know some people rave about them.
Committed virtually every sin, hard, harsh, muffled, bland...I could go on. No idea what they thought they were doing exhibiting that at a show.
I've managed to put together some terrible-sounding systems myself but at least I could hear that they were bad and do something about it. Would never show them and say 'hey have a listen to this.' They were trying to sell the amplifiers, Albarry went out of business not long after. Not surprising if that was the system they were trying to showcase them with.
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Post by firebottle on Jun 24, 2022 11:04:47 GMT
I remember that system with the Albarry amps. I had not heard any Albarry kit so was interested to cop a listen.
I came to the very same conclusions and thought wtf? How can they think this is anywhere approaching good?
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Post by macca on Jun 24, 2022 11:07:51 GMT
Glad it was not just me then. Must have been six years ago or so but it was bad enough that we both still recall it!
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Post by Pigmy Pony on Jun 24, 2022 18:54:41 GMT
Glad it was not just me then. Must have been six years ago or so but it was bad enough that we both still recall it! Not just you, no. Even I remember that room with the Albarry amps, and my memory is really bad. They always got great reviews and I really expected them to be special. That set up ruined Albarry for me.
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Post by macca on Jun 24, 2022 19:08:14 GMT
I really don't think it was the amps to blame but not surprised it put you off them.
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Post by sq225917 on Jun 24, 2022 22:38:31 GMT
Nowt wrong with Albary amps, put the name elsewhere.
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