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Post by antonio on Apr 14, 2022 17:13:15 GMT
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 14, 2022 17:24:34 GMT
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Post by dt79 on Apr 14, 2022 17:25:24 GMT
Wow, that’s the sort of bargain I’m always looking for on Ebay, but it seems like everyone else also knows the value of all the stuff I look at!
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Post by electronumpty on Apr 14, 2022 20:49:36 GMT
Blooming ugly tho.
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Post by bluebeat13 on Apr 15, 2022 0:21:31 GMT
I would say the chances of this being a legit sale where goods change hands is between zero and none. No feedback as a seller, no feedback as a buyer since 2016 then sells a 40K pair of speakers with naff all info for £600 with £130 postage?!
Rather you than me.
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Post by antonio on Apr 15, 2022 5:04:15 GMT
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Post by antonio on Apr 15, 2022 5:10:43 GMT
I would say the chances of this being a legit sale where goods change hands is between zero and none. No feedback as a seller, no feedback as a buyer since 2016 then sells a 40K pair of speakers with naff all info for £600 with £130 postage?! Rather you than me. Possibly not a legit sale, each speaker weighs 180kgs, then you've got packaging so looking at 380kgs to be shipped from Ireland at a cost of £130, doubtful. |
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Post by macca on Apr 15, 2022 12:03:26 GMT
I don't think it can be for real.
If it is then I suspect the successful bidder is going to get a message along the lines of 'Sorry my house just burned down and the speakers were destroyed.'
Sometimes you can get big expensive speakers on the cheap though, it does happen. Like big cars the secondary market for them is very small.
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Post by misterc on Apr 15, 2022 12:24:41 GMT
You may wish to hear these first bass boomers par excellence
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Post by macca on Apr 15, 2022 12:52:04 GMT
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Post by misterc on Apr 15, 2022 13:06:49 GMT
Martin
I have owned these speakers along with their bigger brothers and even with quality amps and a full rta room sweep and a 35 foot wide and deep room they boomed.
Yet the Grand Utopia 3's did not sometimes real world applications don't quite match up to the figures
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Post by macca on Apr 15, 2022 13:11:17 GMT
Martin I have owned these speakers along with their bigger brothers and even with quality amps and a full rta room sweep and a 35 foot wide and deep room they boomed. Yet the Grand Utopia 3's did not sometimes real world applications don't quite match up to the figures square room though. Look at the in room response on the Stereophile measurements, where's the boom? I agree the figures won't show everything but boom is a frequency response deviation simple as that. |
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Post by antonio on Apr 15, 2022 13:32:37 GMT
Every review I have read regarding Rockport's have mentioned they have a strong bass, but no one has criticised it.
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Post by macca on Apr 15, 2022 14:22:57 GMT
JA reckons in room will be -6dB at 20Hz
So yes they will not be shy in the bass, not even remotely.
What would make then boom? Amp with a very low damping factor, underdamped room, room too small, room dimensions creating a bass peak, walls, floor or ceiling being set into resonance (heard that with the JBL 4365 as one wall was a sliding panel instead of brick or concrete). Faulty crossovers.
Can't think of anything else.
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Post by edward on Apr 15, 2022 14:27:22 GMT
Suspect that someone has managed to hack and takeover the (seemingly dormant) ebay account. The 'seller' asks the buyer not to pay until an 'invoice' is issued. No doubt that invoice will ask for payment to be made to an account where a refund is not possible. The 'seller' did not even bother hiding the fact s/he stole the first picture from an Indian website.
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Post by hifinutt on Apr 16, 2022 15:36:34 GMT
well spotted . it does seen too good to be true
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Post by jandl100 on Apr 16, 2022 16:26:54 GMT
Re: big American speakers "boom".
Big American speakers are usually designed for big American timber rooms and buildings, which are much lossier than your typical Brit brick built dwelling. In situ in the American home they are intended for they would sound much better balanced.
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Post by misterc on Apr 17, 2022 9:15:07 GMT
Re: big American speakers "boom". Big American speakers are usually designed for big American timber rooms and buildings, which are much lossier than your typical Brit brick built dwelling. In situ in the American home they are intended for they would sound much better balanced. Jerry's on the ball today 
US room's tend to be much bigger and have softer furnishings inside to absorb all that bass from 21" drivers 
Wilson speakers come with a European modification pack (resistors) (inside the lacking crate) to readdress the balance in the bottom end
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Post by brucew268 on Apr 17, 2022 9:47:03 GMT
Re: big American speakers "boom". Big American speakers are usually designed for big American timber rooms and buildings, which are much lossier than your typical Brit brick built dwelling. In situ in the American home they are intended for they would sound much better balanced. Jerry's on the ball today 
US room's tend to be much bigger and have softer furnishings inside to absorb all that bass from 21" drivers 
Wilson speakers come with a European modification pack (resistors) (inside the lacking crate) to readdress the balance in the bottom end
Yeah, I'll buy that... the characterisation, not the Wilson's! Fits much of my experience there. |
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Post by macca on Apr 17, 2022 10:43:12 GMT
I don't entirely buy it.
How many people in Manhattan (for example) are living in large timber houses? Large apartments, yes, but all concrete and steel.
Also a lot of Yanks all over have their systems in the basement. House above may be timber but basements tend to be concrete floor and concrete block walls.
With hi-fi the simple explanation is almost always wrong.
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Post by brucew268 on Apr 17, 2022 11:40:10 GMT
True it depends on the part of the country. Most parts are timber framed and timber clad. Much of the south has timber framed and brick clad and the northeast is a bit more brick/block construction.
Also, I've never been in a HiFi retail auditioning room in America where there was more than the sparsest of soft furnishing. So they are being sold in an environment with wall professional wall treatments but virtually no soft furnishings. At least 30 years ago the posh homes that could afford Wilson and the like would be less likely to have the overstuffed sofas and reclining chairs everywhere.
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Post by antonio on Apr 17, 2022 11:44:56 GMT
I don't entirely buy it. How many people in Manhattan (for example) are living in large timber houses? Large apartments, yes, but all concrete and steel. Also a lot of Yanks all over have their systems in the basement. House above may be timber but basements tend to be concrete floor and concrete block walls. With hi-fi the simple explanation is almost always wrong. I was tending to think the same as you Macca, but not being one to cause any trouble on this forum, thought I'd keep quiet  |
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Post by macca on Apr 17, 2022 12:05:48 GMT
True it depends on the part of the country. Most parts are timber framed and timber clad. Much of the south has timber framed and brick clad and the northeast is a bit more brick/block construction. Also, I've never been in a HiFi retail auditioning room in America where there was more than the sparsest of soft furnishing. So they are being sold in an environment with wall professional wall treatments but virtually no soft furnishings. At least 30 years ago the posh homes that could afford Wilson and the like would be less likely to have the overstuffed sofas and reclining chairs everywhere. The only ones I have been in was one in NYC where they were selling Levinson and that sort of thing. I didn't go in the dem room but the main showroom was all glass, chrome and hard floors. The other was a B&O showroom in LA. Can't recall what that was like though, just that they were selling telephones that cost $2k I have been out in the sticks in New Jersey and the vast majority of the houses were timber but only the size of your typical British 1930s semi-detached. Otherwise it was very like England, it rained a lot and there was a shedload of traffic. |
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Post by jandl100 on Apr 17, 2022 12:10:13 GMT
"the vast majority of the houses were timber"
Timber is a lot more transparent to bass frequencies than brick or concrete.
You need more bass to achieve a decent balance in a timber clad room or building.
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Post by macca on Apr 17, 2022 12:13:59 GMT
"the vast majority of the houses were timber" Timber is a lot more transparent to bass frequencies than brick or concrete. You need more bass to achieve a decent balance in a timber clad room or building. No I totally agree with that, I just doubt it's the reason with these particular speakers. Anyway I doubt we'll get a definite answer unless one of us happens to find a pair by the curb or in a skip. |
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Post by jandl100 on Apr 17, 2022 12:18:13 GMT
I'm a bit baffled with the conceptual problem of speaker designers designing their speakers with their target market in mind.
It seems obvious to me that they'd be daft not to.
Speakers arent inherently well balanced, they're just boxes with wobbly bits in them, they have to be deliberately designed to achieve the desired inroom response.
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Post by macca on Apr 17, 2022 12:43:11 GMT
Most speakers are designed to give a flat response in an anechoic chamber since that will translate to a correct response in a typical room to a typical listener.
The anechoic chamber won't be made of timber.
Lots of speakers aren't designed that way but these ones under discussion are. So that's why I think your explanation is unlikely to be correct in this specific case.
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Post by optical on Apr 20, 2022 11:15:09 GMT
Just read through this thread properly - tried first time but phone wouldn't follow the link to the item.
Anyway, as others have mentioned almost 100% a scam, all the red flags are there:
- semi inactive account
- no feedback for last year+
- request not to pay until invoiced
- ridiculously low priced item with no reserve (even if you have no idea what you have in your possession, a quick google would reveal that an item such as this would require at least a reserve of 1k+ or a starting bid near or beyond that amount).
See these more and more on eBay and other places.
Watch out people!
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