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Post by macca on Mar 21, 2022 14:27:01 GMT
Lots of cable discussion here, coax vs twisted pair, OCCC vs whatever and so forth. Is it a big waste of time? www.soundguys.com/cable-myths-reviving-the-coathanger-test-23553/122 listeners chose “both sound equally as good” (41.7%)
96 listeners preferred the cable (32.4%)
86 listeners preferred the coathanger (29.5%)Warning -contains measurements, blind-testing and adult situations. |
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Post by jimbo on Mar 21, 2022 15:05:50 GMT
What!
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Post by electronumpty on Mar 21, 2022 16:35:23 GMT
Reckon this is bollix ,can't see how it can possibly work, all my coathangers are plastic.
They'd never fir into the speaker binding posts.
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 21, 2022 16:42:00 GMT
My take is that all of the cables involved were no better than coat hangers.....which judging from the pictures sound like a very plausible theory.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2022 17:09:10 GMT
Solid core, or stranded?
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Post by firebottle on Mar 21, 2022 18:15:41 GMT
'Well engineered consumer cables' WTF they are using bl**dy jack plugs!
How in hell is it going to sound anything other than crap.
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Post by macca on Mar 21, 2022 18:15:46 GMT
Think I'll try using some cables for coathangers and see how they stack up. I did use to use am old guitar lead as a washing line at one place I lived, it was functional. Amazing how many people spotted it and commented. |
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Post by macca on Mar 21, 2022 18:18:46 GMT
'Well engineered consumer cables' WTF they are using bl**dy jack plugs! How in hell is it going to sound anything other than crap. why would they? I built some speakers using them for the cable connections, easier to solder, durable, and it's what they used to make the music in the first place. |
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Post by macca on Mar 21, 2022 18:19:53 GMT
Although I agree Ollie has a point in that it's possible the cables were no better than coathangers and something else might have done better.
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Post by jandl100 on Mar 21, 2022 18:27:34 GMT
ffs
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Post by mikeyb on Mar 21, 2022 18:31:14 GMT
I've used a table fork for a TV aerial on numerous occasions, works great
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Post by optical on Mar 21, 2022 18:59:16 GMT
'Well engineered consumer cables' WTF they are using bl**dy jack plugs! How in hell is it going to sound anything other than crap. why would they? I built some speakers using them for the cable connections, easier to solder, durable, and it's what they used to make the music in the first place. That's not really the correct way of looking at it in my opinion. We have to separate the recording from the 'reenactment' (on our stereos). Just because a material/cable might be used in the recording doesn't mean that running that signal through a similar one will not be detrimental. It might not be but I suspect it would be. During the recording/performance the sound is the sound. Nothing you can do about that. Here we're trying to preserve the signal that was recorded as best we can and by using crappy jack's it isn't doing that as well as it could be doing, well, in my opinion. |
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Post by macca on Mar 21, 2022 19:06:07 GMT
why would they? I built some speakers using them for the cable connections, easier to solder, durable, and it's what they used to make the music in the first place. That's not really the correct way of looking at it in my opinion. We have to separate the recording from the 'reenactment' (on our stereos). That's a fair point, on the other hand if someone could convince musicians that their instruments will sound better with your upgraded connectors they would make millions very quickly. But the 3/4 jack has remained. |
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Post by misterc on Mar 21, 2022 19:09:05 GMT
Take me home daddy-O I need a stiff drink, bave some 3mm solid core wire wound jacks to make  |
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Post by macca on Mar 21, 2022 19:12:42 GMT
Take me home daddy-O I need a stiff drink, bave some 3mm solid core wire wound jacks to make  hey it's my idea so I will want to dip my beak. |
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Post by optical on Mar 21, 2022 19:19:45 GMT
That's not really the correct way of looking at it in my opinion. We have to separate the recording from the 'reenactment' (on our stereos). That's a fair point, on the other hand if someone could convince musicians that their instruments will sound better with your upgraded connectors they would make millions very quickly. But the 3/4 jack has remained. Big difference between audiophiles and musicians. I'd love to rewire a Schecter with all copper wiring and bypass any jack's straight into the amp input, hand it to knopfler and say "go rerecord all your albums Mark, they'll be better".... But I doubt he'd believe me and he'd probably be right..... But you couldn't be sure. My point is the musicians are 'happy' with the sound as long as it close to natural.... However they may never know just how 'natural' it could have sounded..... |
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Post by sq225917 on Mar 21, 2022 19:24:00 GMT
Been done before, Rob did a test on zero gain years ago. Keys, coathangers kit kat tin foil and cables. There was no clear consensus
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 21, 2022 19:26:11 GMT
That's a fair point, on the other hand if someone could convince musicians that their instruments will sound better with your upgraded connectors they would make millions very quickly. But the 3/4 jack has remained. Big difference between audiophiles and musicians. I'd love to rewire a Schecter with all copper wiring and bypass any jack's straight into the amp input, hand it to knopfler and say "go rerecord all your albums Mark, they'll be better".... But I doubt he'd believe me and he'd probably be right..... But you couldn't be sure. My point is the musicians are 'happy' with the sound as long as it close to natural.... However they may never know just how 'natural' it could have sounded..... Musicians ARE the natural sound.....whatever noise they make is what we are aiming to replicate. If Hendrix played via a coathangar, we all would....doesn't mean it sounds the best or couldn't sound "better" |
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Post by misterc on Mar 21, 2022 19:36:43 GMT
Strange thing is I never used coathangers, keys or foil when I play live or in the studio for that matter  |
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Post by rexton on Mar 21, 2022 19:40:27 GMT
Ha, another cable debate, just what we all need!
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 21, 2022 19:42:11 GMT
Strange thing is I never used coathangers, keys or foil when I play liveor in the studio for that matter  You don't? I've just bought some gold plated Furutech PC-CCC coat hangers to plug into my vox amp..... Will the shape of the coat hanger affect the sound? I mean, they have to be an RF magnet!! |
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Post by misterc on Mar 21, 2022 20:18:41 GMT
Strange thing is I never used coathangers, keys or foil when I play live or in the studio for that matter You don't? I've just bought some gold plated Furutech PC-CCC coat hangers to plug into my vox amp..... Will the shape of the coat hanger affect the sound? I mean, they have to be an RF magnet!! Well I suspect the 'triangulation' effect of the RF absorbtion quotiant should negate any sub Thz intermodualtion bandwidth creeping along with my flanger open backed, foil baked point to point 'wired' pedal all hooked up through 144 brass forged keys to the fifth driver stage Marshall cabs fully grounded with ionized pocket watch wrist straps. Man I am good to go? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2022 3:30:11 GMT
Strange thing is I never used coathangers, keys or foil when I play liveor in the studio for that matter You don't? I've just bought some gold plated Furutech PC-CCC coat hangers to plug into my vox amp..... Will the shape of the coat hanger affect the sound? I mean, they have to be an RF magnet!! The same RF magnet as having a shield connected only at one end, otherwise known as an antenna. |
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Post by jimbo on Mar 22, 2022 7:31:35 GMT
Well I am using some cable from the 1930-1940s American Telegraph system as jumper leads and they are only one step up from a coat hanger!
However they beat 5 other cables from well known manufacturers.
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 22, 2022 23:25:00 GMT
Well I am using some cable from the 1930-1940s American Telegraph system as jumper leads and they are only one step up from a coat hanger! However they beat 5 other cables from well known manufacturers. Western electric? |
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Post by karma67 on Mar 23, 2022 4:10:45 GMT
yes
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 23, 2022 7:43:34 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2022 10:30:53 GMT
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Post by RK on Feb 13, 2023 22:37:41 GMT
Anybody that believes coat hangers and good wires are the same in sound quality needs to seek help!!! Impedance- resistance all matter!! It’s a troll discussion |
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Post by jandl100 on Feb 14, 2023 6:47:36 GMT
Ah, this was one of the great AA threads.
It includes probably my most insightful and relevant forum post ever - concise, to the point and heartfelt.
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