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Post by robbiegong on Mar 11, 2022 12:30:50 GMT
Anyone heard or have experience of this phono stage ?
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Post by misterc on Mar 11, 2022 12:33:12 GMT
Yes it a nice unit Robbie, natural and unfatiguing, low noise floor as well imho
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Post by robbiegong on Mar 11, 2022 12:55:29 GMT
Yes it a nice unit Robbie, natural and unfatiguing, low noise floor as well imho Thanks Tony, much appreciated  Exactly what I've read, just as you've said, and more, sounds right up my street. Lovely build and look, don't come up used often either - I'd be very interested if one comes up in black. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 11, 2022 13:09:45 GMT
Anyone heard or have experience of this phono stage ? Nothing remarkable about it. The balanced outputs is a nice touch. |
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Post by robbiegong on Mar 11, 2022 13:20:31 GMT
Anyone heard or have experience of this phono stage ? Nothing remarkable about it. The balanced outputs is a nice touch. Not heard one Olster but I'd beg to differ, if going by remarkable meaning ' worthy of attention; striking ' It has really nice build from what I've read and can see and looks a lovely thing to my eyes. Have you heard one ? |
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 11, 2022 13:31:04 GMT
Nothing remarkable about it. The balanced outputs is a nice touch. Not heard one Olster but I'd beg to differ, if going by remarkable meaning ' worthy of attention; striking ' It has really nice build from what I've read and can see and looks a lovely thing to my eyes. Have you heard one ? Don't need to Rob, I've seen the performance figures 👍 no mention of RIAA accuracy that I can find though, which is always concerning. I pay zero attention to reviews or reviewers these days. DISTORTION Typically <0.01% THD at all levels below clipping HUM & NOISE Yeah, add another 0 and your getting close to the Avalon... -80dB at rated input level, A weighted with 5mV input Paradise beats that, as would the Avalon if we A-Weighted the measurements....which we don't, because it's cheating. User adjustable, 100pF, 570pF ADJUSTABLE GAIN 50dB, 56dB, 60dB, 66dB ADJUSTABLE LOAD 47k ohms, 22k ohms, 1k ohms, 470 ohms, 220 ohms, 100 ohms, 47 ohms, 22 ohms DIMENSIONS Great......if you like dip switches, which i don't. Price? £3400? For a unit that doesn't measure as well as something being made in a garage in Wolverhampton or a house in Sheffield..? I'll stick with the Avalon, ta. For that price mate, I expect class leading figures, which they aren't. |
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Post by sq225917 on Mar 11, 2022 13:39:48 GMT
That's the retail reality Oli.
The Cambridge audio unit matches those specs for 1/10 of the cost.
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 11, 2022 13:44:55 GMT
That's the retail reality Oli. The Cambridge audio unit matches those specs for 1/10 of the cost. I know mate. I get that it's good looking, black and expensive, but it really isn't anything special, and for the price, it's not cheap. |
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Post by robbiegong on Mar 11, 2022 13:47:45 GMT
The RIAA is here - you'll understand those figures better than I would.
I wouldnt pay £3k for anything, let alone a phono stage because i dont have £3k.
My interest is always in terms of an item coming up on the used market at the right price, which I have always found to bring me, from personally experience, best bang for buck, add forums to that list, with folk who like here, know how to build stuf without the associated costs for businesses.
In that regard, I'd consider one of these, looks a quality stage to me - 'perform' based on figures? - no absolutes in that as you know.
Input: RCA unbalanced
Gain: 50dB, 56dB, 60dB, 66dB
Loading options: 47k, 22k, 1k, 470, 220, 100, 47, 22 ohms; input capacitance selectable 100pf or 570pf
Output: RCA unbalanced and XLR balanced
Frequency response: 20Hz—20kHz +/-0.2db referenced to RIAA curve
S/N: -80DB, 5mV input, A-weighted
THD: less than 0.01% at all levels below clipping
Dimensions: 17.75″ x 3.5″ x 15.75″
Weight: 12 lbs.
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 11, 2022 14:02:17 GMT
The RIAA is here - you'll understand those figures better than I would. I wouldnt pay £3k for anything, let alone a phono stage because i dont have £3k. My interest is always in terms of an item coming up on the used market at the right price, which I have always found to bring me, from personally experience, best bang for buck, add forums to that list, with folk who like here, know how to build stuf without the associated costs for businesses. In that regard, I'd consider one of these, looks a quality stage to me - 'perform' based on figures? - no absolutes in that as you know. Input: RCA unbalanced Gain: 50dB, 56dB, 60dB, 66dB Loading options: 47k, 22k, 1k, 470, 220, 100, 47, 22 ohms; input capacitance selectable 100pf or 570pf Output: RCA unbalanced and XLR balanced Frequency response: 20Hz—20kHz +/-0.2db referenced to RIAA curve S/N: -80DB, 5mV input, A-weighted THD: less than 0.01% at all levels below clipping Dimensions: 17.75″ x 3.5″ x 15.75″ Weight: 12 lbs. Frequency response: 20Hz—20kHz +/-0.2db +/-0.2db isn't too bad, but again..... Anyway, your cash, your choice mucca 👍 |
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Post by robbiegong on Mar 11, 2022 14:15:41 GMT
The RIAA is here - you'll understand those figures better than I would. I wouldnt pay £3k for anything, let alone a phono stage because i dont have £3k. My interest is always in terms of an item coming up on the used market at the right price, which I have always found to bring me, from personally experience, best bang for buck, add forums to that list, with folk who like here, know how to build stuf without the associated costs for businesses. In that regard, I'd consider one of these, looks a quality stage to me - 'perform' based on figures? - no absolutes in that as you know. Input: RCA unbalanced Gain: 50dB, 56dB, 60dB, 66dB Loading options: 47k, 22k, 1k, 470, 220, 100, 47, 22 ohms; input capacitance selectable 100pf or 570pf Output: RCA unbalanced and XLR balanced Frequency response: 20Hz—20kHz +/-0.2db referenced to RIAA curve S/N: -80DB, 5mV input, A-weighted THD: less than 0.01% at all levels below clipping Dimensions: 17.75″ x 3.5″ x 15.75″ Weight: 12 lbs. Frequency response: 20Hz—20kHz +/-0.2db +/-0.2db isn't too bad, but again..... Anyway, your cash, your choice mucca 👍 I'm open Olster as you know and for me, actually I think you and the majority of us in this games, it's the lugs that decide for us. all said and done. If I've bought anything and it hasn't met that criteria, it's got listed, simple. One thing that's reaped big benefit for me is to read and check things out as much as I can, and being bold enough to take a punt. Wouldn't have experienced the 2M Black if it wasn't for that approach, with some screaming '£450 for an mm ?!, no way', blah blah at the time. Same with the SP10, when I had a heavily modded SL1210, you dont wanna do that, the modded 1210 is just as good, if not better than an SP10, save your money, and again, with the Cadenza Black FGS retip, " Sacrilege! It's not the same cart once you've re-tipped it " - well they were right, it's a whole lot better  Oh, and I'll add the humble little OTP MK1 to that, is it the quietest most high end phono stage? heck no, but boy does it bring sweet music in my set up ! Anywaze, I'm sure you get the gist of what I'm saying |
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Post by antonio on Mar 12, 2022 7:29:50 GMT
You are quite right Robbie, until you've heard one you never know whether you'll like it or not. Not all reviewers talk bullsh#t, and there are of course owners thoughts on many of these items, you just have to judge by reading between the lines. I don't understand measurements, don't know how your OTP measures, but I'm damn sure it's a great little phono for the money having read your thoughts on it, you've no reason to lie.
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