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Post by electronumpty on Mar 25, 2022 9:36:57 GMT
Certainly looks more colourful.
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Post by brucew268 on Mar 25, 2022 12:17:07 GMT
Tide has turned and the case for the PSU landed today! I haven't assembled it as I was doing the 686, but it's now definitely on the radar. Changed the Rubycons to Wurth caps and Went from 560uf to 1000uf per cap. Much more like it IMO. Interesting choice, Wurth. I'd not read of anyone's experience with their caps which I heard were fairly recently introduced? ...well I guess 8 years is not that recent! It does seem there is a variety of performance offered, WCAP-ATLI and WCAP-ATUL series having the better ripple, ESR, and leakage figures.
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 25, 2022 12:27:41 GMT
Tide has turned and the case for the PSU landed today! I haven't assembled it as I was doing the 686, but it's now definitely on the radar. Changed the Rubycons to Wurth caps and Went from 560uf to 1000uf per cap. Much more like it IMO. Interesting choice, Wurth. I'd not read of anyone's experience with their caps which I heard were fairly recently introduced? ...well I guess 8 years is not that recent! It does seem there is a variety of performance offered, WCAP-ATLI and WCAP-ATUL series having the better ripple, ESR, and leakage figures. Best kept secret in HiFi mate. Still cheap as the DIYers are still fighting over used blackgate caps, and the "foo"sellers are still whacking mundorf in everything else.
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Post by sq225917 on Mar 25, 2022 17:53:20 GMT
Super low esr and great ripple in a small package. I use them everywhere except main psu banks.
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 25, 2022 18:30:16 GMT
Super low esr and great ripple in a small package. I use them everywhere except main psu banks. Great little caps.
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Post by misterc on Mar 25, 2022 19:35:04 GMT
Being a Wurth product beta tester we know them well along with some others. Have been using Wurth products for over 30 years the Alfa's and Ferrari's used Wurth as O.E. fitment on many of their parts.
A great many foo caps are BS anyway, black gates over priced warm wobbly poo producers, the Mundorf power caps, humm, I'll pass thank you.
For our areospace and communications designs, we have a range of caps produced for the company, however the MOQ is 50K+ per item especially with organic polymor based varients. These have the benefit of ultra low esr, leakage and high temparature rating of 150C with amazing derating properties but when you are in a vacuum its slighly different to being in your front room!
Again some good clean work going on there Oli
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 25, 2022 21:57:56 GMT
Being a Wurth product beta tester we know them well along with some others. Have been using Wurth products for over 30 years the Alfa's and Ferrari's used Wurth as O.E. fitment on many of their parts. A great many foo caps are BS anyway, black gates over priced warm wobbly poo producers, the Mundorf power caps, humm, I'll pass thank you. For our areospace and communications designs, we have a range of caps produced for the company, however the MOQ is 50K+ per item especially with organic polymor based varients. These have the benefit of ultra low esr, leakage and high temparature rating of 150C with amazing derating properties but when you are in a vacuum its slighly different to being in your front room! Again some good clean work going on there Oli Thanks T. I've liked these Wurth caps for a while now. Used them in a few BB3s etc. Not loads of availability at the moment with the supplier shortage etc, so was really pleased they had them in the value I wanted.
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 29, 2022 10:36:53 GMT
Temp lash up just for a listen whilst I await connections to arrive.
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Post by zleepy on Mar 30, 2022 5:54:41 GMT
That case really is smart looking! Can we have an inside pic?
I am very interested in your listening impressions also!
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 30, 2022 6:20:59 GMT
That case really is smart looking! Can we have an inside pic? I am very interested in your listening impressions also! No inside pictures at the moment as it is only thrown together. Absolutely no finesse has been applied yet, but as soon as i get the connections for the umbilical, i will then buid it properly. Listening, Well, it's fairly well proven to me by now that removing the SMPS for any device is always beneficial to the music. The soundstage and image are particularly effected. Cavernous depth. Sounds eminating from outside of the speakers, but this time i notice that on tracks like Nublano from Sera Una Noche, that the little bits of information like the well timed gentle ringing of a bell, are appearing from a black hole like void in the mix. Unlike previously, where they seemed to be positioned closer to me from the off. Now they are appearing to start earlier, so possibly detecting the information sooner than before, but they are definitly in a lot more space. Listening to Duke Ellington, i have found the brass instruments to be a little thin and sharp at times in recent weeks, but the change in PSU has taken the brass section, improved the body and tone, and given a real "throaty" rasp and bite. A very welcome result. I am still using the Silver cable, so this could be contributing a little to the lean sound i am getting at times, but i genuinly feel quite at ease with it in the system after yesterdays session. I am very pleased so far and will continue to emply my "no SMPS" mantra to HiFi. The Mutec will be getting it's SMPS removed in the next few weeks too. Then there will not be any!
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Post by stevew on Mar 30, 2022 6:32:14 GMT
I’ll be really interested to hear what difference replacing the power supply in the Mutec makes.
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Post by misterc on Mar 30, 2022 9:37:46 GMT
I’ll be really interested to hear what difference replacing the power supply in the Mutec makes. Not in any way subtle
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Post by firebottle on Mar 30, 2022 10:40:49 GMT
You can see the appeal for the manufacturer of fitting a SMPS, the input voltage is universal, it's small and it's very cheap.
There is enough room though to fit a linear psu inside the case by employing a 10VA toroidal transformer. Watch this space, it's on order.
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Post by misterc on Mar 30, 2022 11:05:01 GMT
Alan has hit the nail on the head, small footprint, bettter power density and cost plus the big one space, again relating back to cost. Currently working on areospace PSU. Fundentally so far away from anything that commerically available due to some of the factors above and larger outside factors due too the environments they will be working in.
However recentlyu we finished a project that in steady state was idling at 8fA and was using 30mA
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Post by zleepy on Mar 31, 2022 9:21:33 GMT
Your thoughts sound promising. Would you say it's on par with the modded 1421 now? What was the reason you sold that one? I am thinking about 2541 as an end game DAC for me. But that would probably involve the LPSU mod. Also very tempted by the musician aquarius or some of the endless HOLO DAC versions. /Karl That case really is smart looking! Can we have an inside pic? I am very interested in your listening impressions also! No inside pictures at the moment as it is only thrown together. Absolutely no finesse has been applied yet, but as soon as i get the connections for the umbilical, i will then buid it properly. Listening, Well, it's fairly well proven to me by now that removing the SMPS for any device is always beneficial to the music. The soundstage and image are particularly effected. Cavernous depth. Sounds eminating from outside of the speakers, but this time i notice that on tracks like Nublano from Sera Una Noche, that the little bits of information like the well timed gentle ringing of a bell, are appearing from a black hole like void in the mix. Unlike previously, where they seemed to be positioned closer to me from the off. Now they are appearing to start earlier, so possibly detecting the information sooner than before, but they are definitly in a lot more space. Listening to Duke Ellington, i have found the brass instruments to be a little thin and sharp at times in recent weeks, but the change in PSU has taken the brass section, improved the body and tone, and given a real "throaty" rasp and bite. A very welcome result. I am still using the Silver cable, so this could be contributing a little to the lean sound i am getting at times, but i genuinly feel quite at ease with it in the system after yesterdays session. I am very pleased so far and will continue to emply my "no SMPS" mantra to HiFi. The Mutec will be getting it's SMPS removed in the next few weeks too. Then there will not be any!
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Post by Bigman80 on Mar 31, 2022 9:43:13 GMT
Your thoughts sound promising. Would you say it's on par with the modded 1421 now? What was the reason you sold that one? I am thinking about 2541 as an end game DAC for me. But that would probably involve the LPSU mod. Also very tempted by the musician aquarius or some of the endless HOLO DAC versions. /Karl No inside pictures at the moment as it is only thrown together. Absolutely no finesse has been applied yet, but as soon as i get the connections for the umbilical, i will then buid it properly. Listening, Well, it's fairly well proven to me by now that removing the SMPS for any device is always beneficial to the music. The soundstage and image are particularly effected. Cavernous depth. Sounds eminating from outside of the speakers, but this time i notice that on tracks like Nublano from Sera Una Noche, that the little bits of information like the well timed gentle ringing of a bell, are appearing from a black hole like void in the mix. Unlike previously, where they seemed to be positioned closer to me from the off. Now they are appearing to start earlier, so possibly detecting the information sooner than before, but they are definitly in a lot more space. Listening to Duke Ellington, i have found the brass instruments to be a little thin and sharp at times in recent weeks, but the change in PSU has taken the brass section, improved the body and tone, and given a real "throaty" rasp and bite. A very welcome result. I am still using the Silver cable, so this could be contributing a little to the lean sound i am getting at times, but i genuinly feel quite at ease with it in the system after yesterdays session. I am very pleased so far and will continue to emply my "no SMPS" mantra to HiFi. The Mutec will be getting it's SMPS removed in the next few weeks too. Then there will not be any! "why did you sell the 1421" Because optical wanted it, and i wanted AES. Other than that, there was no reason. "is it on a par" Been a long time since i heard the 1421, but he only real difference between the two is the AES connection and the slightly different LPSU. Maybe a bit or two, too. It's certainly no worse. "end game DAC" Well, i heard the Holo Spring 3 in my system, the Musician Pegasus, the 1421 with LPSU, and various other DACS. The only DAC i would consider swapping for is a Denafrips T2, or a Rockna wavelight. But, i would have to hear one first, and i seriously doubt there will be a great deal of difference in it. The Soekris PCB is used in £10-15k DACS....they just build them with far better PSU's than it comes with as standard. Buy a Soekris, built a good LPSU and relax.
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Post by zleepy on Apr 1, 2022 13:42:01 GMT
Sound advice there. What voltages does the 2541 need?
/Karl
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Post by firebottle on Apr 1, 2022 13:58:54 GMT
+5V and +/-12V
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 13, 2022 20:12:41 GMT
FINALLY! The connector is here. I fancied a Lemo type but baulked at the price. However, I found this really neat alternative. All metal construction and gold plated connectors.....lovely.
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Post by sq225917 on Apr 13, 2022 20:48:48 GMT
You should have asked Oli I have boxes full of lemo, 3, 4, 5, 6 pin. All mini though, fiddly to solder up, but primo quality.
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 13, 2022 21:34:39 GMT
You should have asked Oli I have boxes full of lemo, 3, 4, 5, 6 pin. All mini though, fiddly to solder up, but primo quality. Ah bugger....... I would be happy to still relieve you of a 5 pin??? Pretty please 🤣 5mm cable.....would it fit?
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Post by zleepy on Apr 14, 2022 6:01:53 GMT
I See, Does the regulator board come with information on what transformers to use? What transformers did Oli use? Still thinking about buying a 2541 and doing this mod but I don't have the knowledge for things like choosing transformers. /Karl
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 14, 2022 7:00:51 GMT
I See, Does the regulator board come with information on what transformers to use? What transformers did Oli use? Still thinking about buying a 2541 and doing this mod but I don't have the knowledge for things like choosing transformers. /Karl 15va traffos, one with 15-0-15 for the 12v and one with 0-9v for the 5v Then once connected to the regulator PCB, use the trim pots to fine tune the voltage, using a multimeter. Then once all hooked up and with the dac switched on, trim again to make sure you are delivering 12v and 5v under load. I'll post some internal pics on mine once I have tidied it up.
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Post by zleepy on Apr 14, 2022 7:55:31 GMT
Splendid, thanks!!
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Post by misterc on Apr 14, 2022 9:21:46 GMT
Finding decent dc umbilical plugs and sockets that are suitable for everday audio products are not easy to find for sure. The Lemo ones are great for special projects like the aerospace rocket packs we are invoved with but at the larger sizes they cost as much as used SoeKris 2541 for four of them
We have started to design our own based around some specific sheilding ideas I have, I have tried some Graphene ones recently humm maybe if the audio starts in the five figures as a basic model, cost prohibitive doesn't even come close scary numbers.
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Post by brucew268 on Apr 14, 2022 9:59:07 GMT
Finding decent dc umbilical plugs and sockets that are suitable for everday audio products are not easy to find for sure. The Lemo ones are great for special projects like the aerospace rocket packs we are invoved with but at the larger sizes they cost as much as used SoeKris 2541 for four of them
We have started to design our own based around some specific sheilding ideas I have, I have tried some Graphene ones recently humm maybe if the audio starts in the five figures as a basic model, cost prohibitive doesn't even come close scary numbers.
For practicality in the audio world, don't you tend to use the GX16 aviation plugs?
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Post by misterc on Apr 14, 2022 10:28:26 GMT
Hi Bruce, no I use another Lemo style brand as I am after ultra low inpedence pathways unfortunately if you wish for the the specs it does cost, Unwin make some nice panel mountsthough good enough for audio and sensible cost as well.
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 25, 2022 18:30:37 GMT
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Post by sq225917 on Apr 25, 2022 18:33:57 GMT
5mm cable in a 5 pin lemo, mmm, possibly not. And you'd be limited to solid core .7mm on the pins... I think the ones you have ate some what larger.
I can take a look for you.
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Post by Bigman80 on Apr 25, 2022 20:20:15 GMT
5mm cable in a 5 pin lemo, mmm, possibly not. And you'd be limited to solid core .7mm on the pins... I think the ones you have ate some what larger. I can take a look for you. Don't worry mate, I'm very happy with this connector. It is very nice. Thanks though
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