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Post by brucew268 on Jan 31, 2022 8:44:00 GMT
Has anyone pulled the lever to try the SAEC speaker cable and compare to the historical favourites around here? The SPC 850 is 3.4mm2 and the SPC 650 is 1.4mm2.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jan 31, 2022 9:16:28 GMT
Has anyone pulled the lever to try the SAEC speaker cable and compare to the historical favourites around here? The SPC 850 is 3.4mm2 and the SPC 650 is 1.4mm2. I still haven't gotten around to it, but the Acoustic Revive one is excellent. Solid core, totally stiff....but SQ is great. |
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Post by pete on Jan 31, 2022 9:19:41 GMT
Has anyone pulled the lever to try the SAEC speaker cable and compare to the historical favourites around here? The SPC 850 is 3.4mm2 and the SPC 650 is 1.4mm2. Been eyeing it up but too many other things going on in my system at the moment |
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Post by antonio on Jan 31, 2022 9:34:35 GMT
I know the 850 is the one to get if you go with SAEC
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Post by brucew268 on Jan 31, 2022 10:10:47 GMT
Has anyone pulled the lever to try the SAEC speaker cable and compare to the historical favourites around here? The SPC 850 is 3.4mm2 and the SPC 650 is 1.4mm2. I still haven't gotten around to it, but the Acoustic Revive one is excellent. Solid core, totally stiff....but SQ is great. Solid core or stiff just won't work for me since I have to move my speakers into place each time. And I expect solid core will have a bit of difference in presentation to stranded even if the same metal and construction. I love my long term MIT MH-750's but they are not ideal for daily moving either. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Jan 31, 2022 10:17:30 GMT
I still haven't gotten around to it, but the Acoustic Revive one is excellent. Solid core, totally stiff....but SQ is great. Solid core or stiff just won't work for me since I have to move my speakers into place each time. And I expect solid core will have a bit of difference in presentation to stranded even if the same metal and construction. I love my long term MIT MH-750's but they are not ideal for daily moving either. Yeah, totally get that. The SAEC shouldn't disappoint. |
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Post by antonio on Jan 31, 2022 11:26:42 GMT
I know of someone on another forum who used 850 and was happy with it, although he did change for some Colin Wonfor cables!!
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Post by Bigman80 on Jan 31, 2022 11:29:34 GMT
I know of someone on another forum who used 850 and was happy with it, although he did change for some Colin Wonfor cables!! Why? |
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Post by karma67 on Jan 31, 2022 12:31:06 GMT
Has anyone pulled the lever to try the SAEC speaker cable and compare to the historical favourites around here? The SPC 850 is 3.4mm2 and the SPC 650 is 1.4mm2. I have Bruce |
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Post by brucew268 on Jan 31, 2022 20:31:21 GMT
I know of someone on another forum who used 850 and was happy with it, although he did change for some Colin Wonfor cables!! Dave, Can you name the forum and user so I could go look at their comments? Has anyone pulled the lever to try the SAEC speaker cable and compare to the historical favourites around here? The SPC 850 is 3.4mm2 and the SPC 650 is 1.4mm2. I have Bruce Jamie, Can you give details and when you might report impressions and comparisons? |
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Post by rexton on Jan 31, 2022 20:31:30 GMT
I've got the 850 SPC too. It's very good.
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Post by antonio on Feb 1, 2022 2:14:42 GMT
My comments re changing to Colin Wonfor's from SAEC referred to Cereal Killer, on PFM. He made up all his leads using SAEC quite some time ago, although he has now changed his system entirely. I will message him and ask  |
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Post by karma67 on Feb 1, 2022 6:32:13 GMT
I know of someone on another forum who used 850 and was happy with it, although he did change for some Colin Wonfor cables!! Dave, Can you name the forum and user so I could go look at their comments? Jamie, Can you give details and when you might report impressions and comparisons? Hi Bruce, Where abouts are you? |
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Post by antonio on Feb 1, 2022 7:35:08 GMT
Yes, it was on my previous post, but it was Cereal Killer on PFM, but don't ask me to find the thread, I am just about to ask him via message so hang Jamie.
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Post by brucew268 on Feb 1, 2022 7:54:27 GMT
Dave, Can you name the forum and user so I could go look at their comments? Jamie, Can you give details and when you might report impressions and comparisons? Hi Bruce, Where abouts are you? A long ways from Brighton! West Yorkshire. |
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Post by brucew268 on Feb 1, 2022 8:26:33 GMT
If you'll permit, some quotes from Cereal Killer over there to bring in some comments. BTW: I have some EWA LS-25 which are good but haven't been able to do any direct comparisons to my MIT's yet as I couldn't fit them on the same speaker until the recent retermination. Some quotes from him below, but it seems that before he tried Colin Wonfor's EWA LS40, he thought the SAEC were the best he had tried, full stop.
Seems he thought the SAEC SPC 850 was some steps up from the EWA LS-25 but then the LS40 was better than that, as below. Its been interesting so far; the LS-40's sound identical! to my current cables.
I'm confident the SAEC (SPC-850 with Xshadow spades) sound better than the LS-25's .
...OK so a little update; (been a busy week) the LS-40 seams to portray a touch more energy on vocals and maybe a touch more lower end on certain acoustic recordings.
IF there are any differences they are so minor it’s really hard to be absolute about them.
The sound signature of the SAEC seams to be almost identical to the LS-40s.
On dynamic electronic music really can’t hear a difference, maybe on live/vocals I can. Difficult to say on any well recorded studio recordings.
IF I were to in the position of needing a new set of cables would buy the LS-40...... It would be a yes.
I've had a full Anzus A2 loom here and much preferred the LS-40 + full EWA loom. The Anzus loom was coming on to £6/7K IIRC Speaker Cables: Anzus A2 'v' EWA LS40 'v' SAEC SPC-850 = EWA clear winner (not subtle) USB cables: Ansuz A2 'v' EWA USB 'v' SAEC SUS-380 = EWA clear winner (not so subtle) Power cables: Anzus A2 'v' EWA MCS-5 'v' Neotech NEP-4003 = EWA winner. (subtle) LS-40 is more than enough in my system, I've found a synergy I don't want or need to change.
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Post by antonio on Feb 1, 2022 8:37:21 GMT
You have been busy Bruce, I've just messaged CK to ask him, I will let you all know what he says. He's now using Dutch & Dutch speakers so most of his cable became redundant. One question Bigman, why is Bruce still a 2 star Junior Member, two more gold stars for that detective work  |
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 1, 2022 8:47:25 GMT
If you'll permit, some quotes from Cereal Killer over there to bring in some comments. BTW: I have some EWA LS-25 which are good but haven't been able to do any direct comparisons to my MIT's yet as I couldn't fit them on the same speaker until the recent retermination. Some quotes from him below, but it seems that before he tried Colin Wonfor's EWA LS40, he thought the SAEC were the best he had tried, full stop.
Seems he thought the SAEC SPC 850 was some steps up from the EWA LS-25 but then the LS40 was better than that, as below. Its been interesting so far; the LS-40's sound identical! to my current cables.
I'm confident the SAEC (SPC-850 with Xshadow spades) sound better than the LS-25's .
...OK so a little update; (been a busy week) the LS-40 seams to portray a touch more energy on vocals and maybe a touch more lower end on certain acoustic recordings.
IF there are any differences they are so minor it’s really hard to be absolute about them.
The sound signature of the SAEC seams to be almost identical to the LS-40s.
On dynamic electronic music really can’t hear a difference, maybe on live/vocals I can. Difficult to say on any well recorded studio recordings.
IF I were to in the position of needing a new set of cables would buy the LS-40...... It would be a yes.
I've had a full Anzus A2 loom here and much preferred the LS-40 + full EWA loom. The Anzus loom was coming on to £6/7K IIRC Speaker Cables: Anzus A2 'v' EWA LS40 'v' SAEC SPC-850 = EWA clear winner (not subtle) USB cables: Ansuz A2 'v' EWA USB 'v' SAEC SUS-380 = EWA clear winner (not so subtle) Power cables: Anzus A2 'v' EWA MCS-5 'v' Neotech NEP-4003 = EWA winner. (subtle) LS-40 is more than enough in my system, I've found a synergy I don't want or need to change.
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 1, 2022 8:48:06 GMT
You have been busy Bruce, I've just messaged CK to ask him, I will let you all know what he says. He's now using Dutch & Dutch speakers so most of his cable became redundant. One question Bigman, why is Bruce still a 2 star Junior Member, two more gold stars for that detective work You get the stars after certain numbers of posts are reached |
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Post by antonio on Feb 1, 2022 9:04:31 GMT
You have been busy Bruce, I've just messaged CK to ask him, I will let you all know what he says. He's now using Dutch & Dutch speakers so most of his cable became redundant. One question Bigman, why is Bruce still a 2 star Junior Member, two more gold stars for that detective work  You get the stars after certain numbers of posts are reached Rules is Rules  In all honesty I thought it would be number of posts, yet again another of my jests to show my appreciation for the work done by Bruce, another member on here with too much time on his hands |
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Post by optical on Feb 1, 2022 9:06:07 GMT
You have been busy Bruce, I've just messaged CK to ask him, I will let you all know what he says. He's now using Dutch & Dutch speakers so most of his cable became redundant. One question Bigman, why is Bruce still a 2 star Junior Member, two more gold stars for that detective work You get the stars after certain numbers of posts are reached Yeah it's like McDonalds, not Michelin restaurants, stars are not necessarily a reflection of the content just how long you've been hanging around . . . . I mean Dave has loads of them . . . . More starts is better tho innit. Re the speaker cables, Colin's designs have always sounded excellent to me, a lot of people rate the LS-40's . . . . . but I just can't imagine much beating the SAEC and Acoustic Revive Triple C stuff I've heard so far. I was a die hard Tellurium Q Ultra Black user before (another of Colin's designs and in my opinion the biggest leap in performance from speaker cable that I've heard) but the Triple C has knocked them out of the system now. |
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Post by brucew268 on Feb 1, 2022 9:12:04 GMT
You have been busy Bruce, I've just messaged CK to ask him, I will let you all know what he says. He's now using Dutch & Dutch speakers so most of his cable became redundant. One question Bigman, why is Bruce still a 2 star Junior Member, two more gold stars for that detective work Someone hand me a dummy! If you'll permit, some quotes from Cereal Killer over there to bring in some comments. BTW: I have some EWA LS-25 which are good but haven't been able to do any direct comparisons to my MIT's yet as I couldn't fit them on the same speaker until the recent retermination. Some quotes from him below, but it seems that before he tried Colin Wonfor's EWA LS40, he thought the SAEC were the best he had tried, full stop.
Seems he thought the SAEC SPC 850 was some steps up from the EWA LS-25 but then the LS40 was better than that, as below. Its been interesting so far; the LS-40's sound identical! to my current cables.
I'm confident the SAEC (SPC-850 with Xshadow spades) sound better than the LS-25's .
...OK so a little update; (been a busy week) the LS-40 seams to portray a touch more energy on vocals and maybe a touch more lower end on certain acoustic recordings.
IF there are any differences they are so minor it’s really hard to be absolute about them.
The sound signature of the SAEC seams to be almost identical to the LS-40s.
On dynamic electronic music really can’t hear a difference, maybe on live/vocals I can. Difficult to say on any well recorded studio recordings.
IF I were to in the position of needing a new set of cables would buy the LS-40...... It would be a yes.
I've had a full Anzus A2 loom here and much preferred the LS-40 + full EWA loom. The Anzus loom was coming on to £6/7K IIRC Speaker Cables: Anzus A2 'v' EWA LS40 'v' SAEC SPC-850 = EWA clear winner (not subtle) USB cables: Ansuz A2 'v' EWA USB 'v' SAEC SUS-380 = EWA clear winner (not so subtle) Power cables: Anzus A2 'v' EWA MCS-5 'v' Neotech NEP-4003 = EWA winner. (subtle) LS-40 is more than enough in my system, I've found a synergy I don't want or need to change.
Just read the thread and i do feel a bit like there is a case of the "emperors new clothes" going on. Meaning he's talked himself into the LS40 being better than the SAEC when they just may be comparable? Or comments by others on the LS40 thread? Those things do tend to have a good amount of fanboy chatter and one has to hunt for substance and an effort at real comparison.
BTW: he did waffle a bit but ended up replacing one with the other for substantially more outlay.
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 1, 2022 9:15:02 GMT
You get the stars after certain numbers of posts are reached . . . . I mean Dave has loads of them . . . . More starts is better tho innit. Re the speaker cables, Colin's designs have always sounded excellent to me, a lot of people rate the LS-40's . . . . . but I just can't imagine much beating the SAEC and Acoustic Revive Triple C stuff I've heard so far. I was a die hard Tellurium Q Ultra Black user before (another of Colin's designs and in my opinion the biggest leap in performance from speaker cable that I've heard) but the Triple C has knocked them out of the system now.  |
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Post by brucew268 on Feb 1, 2022 9:22:11 GMT
You get the stars after certain numbers of posts are reached Yeah it's like McDonalds, not Michelin restaurants, stars are not necessarily a reflection of the content just how long you've been hanging around . . . . I mean Dave has loads of them . . . . More starts is better tho innit. Re the speaker cables, Colin's designs have always sounded excellent to me, a lot of people rate the LS-40's . . . . . but I just can't imagine much beating the SAEC and Acoustic Revive Triple C stuff I've heard so far. I was a die hard Tellurium Q Ultra Black user before (another of Colin's designs and in my opinion the biggest leap in performance from speaker cable that I've heard) but the Triple C has knocked them out of the system now. Chris, so you bypassed your low star count and 'junior' status by changing to Moderator? I'm not that brave! Thank you to you and to Oli for the work you do in keeping us in line and officially maintaining the tone here. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 1, 2022 9:25:44 GMT
Meaning he's talked himself into the LS40 being better than the SAEC when they just may be comparable?
The initial reports on that thread didn't point to a speaker cable that blew the SAEC out of the water, In fact it was quite the opposite. As always, the opinions started to change once people bought them and were financially invested. Most people don't Sh#t on items that have cost them £500-£2k...they convince themselves that they spent wisely.
Also, there is a mentality in hifi that if it doesn't cost enough, it can't be any good.
The SAEC is too cheap to be good, isnt it?
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Post by optical on Feb 1, 2022 9:32:13 GMT
Yeah it's like McDonalds, not Michelin restaurants, stars are not necessarily a reflection of the content just how long you've been hanging around . . . . I mean Dave has loads of them . . . . More starts is better tho innit. Re the speaker cables, Colin's designs have always sounded excellent to me, a lot of people rate the LS-40's . . . . . but I just can't imagine much beating the SAEC and Acoustic Revive Triple C stuff I've heard so far. I was a die hard Tellurium Q Ultra Black user before (another of Colin's designs and in my opinion the biggest leap in performance from speaker cable that I've heard) but the Triple C has knocked them out of the system now. Chris, so you bypassed your low star count and 'junior' status by changing to Moderator? I'm not that brave! Thank you to you and to Oli for the work you do in keeping us in line and officially maintaining the tone here. Haha, yeah our host issued me with an ultimatum, "stop taking the mick or cop some s*** for doing so" . . . . I chose the latter obviously . . . . (he didn't really, he courteously inquired if I would be interested). No, it's no chore really, a pleasure with the membership on here to be honest. I do think maybe I should have been issued with a slightly larger star though . . . like a new sheriff in town . . . |
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Post by Bigman80 on Feb 1, 2022 9:34:07 GMT
Chris, so you bypassed your low star count and 'junior' status by changing to Moderator? I'm not that brave! Thank you to you and to Oli for the work you do in keeping us in line and officially maintaining the tone here. Haha, yeah our host issued me with an ultimatum, "stop taking the mick or cop some s*** for doing so" . . . . I chose the latter obviously . . . . (he didn't really, he courteously inquired if I would be interested). No, it's no chore really, a pleasure with the membership on here to be honest. I do think maybe I should have been issued with a slightly larger star though . . . like a new sheriff in town . . . Consider it done (look under your name ) |
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Post by optical on Feb 1, 2022 9:34:52 GMT
Haha, yeah our host issued me with an ultimatum, "stop taking the mick or cop some s*** for doing so" . . . . I chose the latter obviously . . . . (he didn't really, he courteously inquired if I would be interested). No, it's no chore really, a pleasure with the membership on here to be honest. I do think maybe I should have been issued with a slightly larger star though . . . like a new sheriff in town . . . Consider it done (look under your name  ) Haha . . . . big something, yeah. Nice one. |
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Post by antonio on Feb 1, 2022 13:15:20 GMT
You get the stars after certain numbers of posts are reached Yeah it's like McDonalds, not Michelin restaurants, stars are not necessarily a reflection of the content just how long you've been hanging around . . . . I mean Dave has loads of them . . . . More starts is better tho innit. Re the speaker cables, Colin's designs have always sounded excellent to me, a lot of people rate the LS-40's . . . . . but I just can't imagine much beating the SAEC and Acoustic Revive Triple C stuff I've heard so far. I was a die hard Tellurium Q Ultra Black user before (another of Colin's designs and in my opinion the biggest leap in performance from speaker cable that I've heard) but the Triple C has knocked them out of the system now. I'll have you know 'moderator' 50% of my posts are meaningless and the other 50% are posted when I'm drunk, that's how to get all them stars |
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Post by antonio on Feb 2, 2022 17:38:42 GMT
I'm a man of my word, so here's CK's thoughts on SAEC and LS40 cables OK so cables, the Triple-C was exceptional at hi-frequency so it'll be good on a smooth amp, bass was super tight and taught. BUT with the Aavik U300 it was brash and brittle. so not suited to ultra detailed sounds, it was like it pushed the detail to hard. The EWA is a very analog sounding cable and in the company of Aavik, won hands down. The LS-40 even saw off a pair of £5K Anzus cables off. There you have it, of course everyone wants something different or hears things differently so until you can actually dem them yourselves side by side in your own system we are non the wiser  |
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