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Post by rexton on Dec 23, 2021 16:17:01 GMT
Guys, can anyone confirm the radius of the FGS stylus. I've seen several reports of the diameter varying from 70 to 120um.
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Post by rexton on Dec 23, 2021 16:54:49 GMT
ok. Found my answer. Found this on a Audiogon post. Might be useful.
Later Generation Extended Line Contacts (designed in the 1980’s or later, the current state of the art)
Micro-Ridge 2 (Namiki – also known as the AT Micro-Line or Jico SAS, but all the same tip shapes, and almost certainly manufactured by Namiki Jewel): 0.1 mil / 2.5 μm
Micro-Ridge 1 (Namiki – as used by Shure, Grace, Dynavector and several others): 0.15 mil / 3.8 μm
van den Hul (vdH), Paratrace (Expert Stylus): 0.16 mil / 4 μm
Replicant (Ortofon – probably supplied by Fritz Gyger), Fritz Gyger: 0.2mil / 5 μm
First Generation Line Contacts
Hyperelliptical/Hyper-Ridge (Shure) 0.2 mil / 5 μm
Aliptic (ADC): 0.25mil / 6.3 μm
Shibata (the world’s first line contact tip, Namiki-made and co-designed with JVC – named after JVC engineer Norio Shibata): 0.25mil / 6.3 μm
Pramanik (B&O – named after their design engineer Subir Pramanik) 0.27 mil / 7 μm
Stereohedron 1 & II (Pickering/Stanton): 0.3 mil / 7.6 μm
LAC (Empire) 0.3 mil / 7.6 μm
Fine Line (Ortofon) 0.31 mil / 8 μm
Vital II, III (Ogura) 0.32 mil / 8.1 μm
Here they are ranked according to the large radius (length), longest first:
4.7 mil / 120 μm:
Fritz Gyger S (Fritz Gyger)
Replicant 120 (Ortofon)
3.9 mil / 100 μm:
Replicant 100 (Ortofon)
3 mil / 75 μm:
Micro-Ridge, Micro-Line, SAS (Namiki)
LAC (Empire)
Shibata ’large’ design (Namiki/JVC)
Stereohedron II (Pickering/Stanton)
2.8 mil / 72 μm:
Stereohedron 1 (Pickering/Stanton)
2.75 mil / 70 μm:
Fritz Gyger 70 (Fritz Gyger)
Paratrace (Expert Stylus)
van den Hul (vdH)
2 mil / 50 μm:
Shibata ‘small’ design (Namiki/JVC)
Pramanik (B&O)
1.6 mil / 40 μm:
Fine Line (Ortofon)
1.57 mil / 39.9 μm:
Vital II, III (Ogura)
1.5 mil / 38 μm:
Aliptic (ADC)
Hyperelliptical/Hyper-Ridge (Shure)
Line Contact (Audio-Technica)
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Post by phonomac on Dec 23, 2021 20:39:02 GMT
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 23, 2021 20:51:49 GMT
I had a feeling that may spark your first post on the forum. Welcome to active participation, Angus! |
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Post by rexton on Dec 23, 2021 21:29:53 GMT
This is good, it's matching what I'm hearing.
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Post by robbiegong on Dec 23, 2021 21:57:28 GMT
That stylus profile is pretty much the best of them / right up there. Long and thin profile, with large contact area, which means it digs very deep into the groove and draws out untold recorded info, even more than the very detailed, Shibata'd 2M Black and Cadenza Black. That was evident to me, having had both and having the Cadenza-tipped with the FGS profile, just excellent. No wonder Ortofon put their Replicant profile (which is pretty much the same as the FGS), on their top tier / Exclusive carts. These profiles were made to replicate the vinyl lacquer cutting lathe so as well as plenty of recorded info, they are accurate and analytical in the positive sense, I couldn't/wouldn't go back. A profile that is demanding of careful, meticulous set up, but you'll most certainly be properly rewarded  |
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Post by rexton on Dec 24, 2021 10:40:45 GMT
That stylus profile is pretty much the best of them / right up there. Long and thin profile, with large contact area, which means it digs very deep into the groove and draws out untold recorded info, even more than the very detailed, Shibata'd 2M Black and Cadenza Black. That was evident to me, having had both and having the Cadenza-tipped with the FGS profile, just excellent. No wonder Ortofon put their Replicant profile (which is pretty much the same as the FGS), on their top tier / Exclusive carts. These profiles were made to replicate the vinyl lacquer cutting lathe so as well as plenty of recorded info, they are accurate and analytical in the positive sense, I couldn't/wouldn't go back. A profile that is demanding of careful, meticulous set up, but you'll most certainly be properly rewarded All good advice. Our FGS stylii on the Cadenza blacks have an additional 20 μm compared to Ortofons replicant 100 stylus. |
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Post by rexton on Dec 24, 2021 10:42:24 GMT
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Post by robbiegong on Dec 24, 2021 10:45:16 GMT
That stylus profile is pretty much the best of them / right up there. Long and thin profile, with large contact area, which means it digs very deep into the groove and draws out untold recorded info, even more than the very detailed, Shibata'd 2M Black and Cadenza Black. That was evident to me, having had both and having the Cadenza-tipped with the FGS profile, just excellent. No wonder Ortofon put their Replicant profile (which is pretty much the same as the FGS), on their top tier / Exclusive carts. These profiles were made to replicate the vinyl lacquer cutting lathe so as well as plenty of recorded info, they are accurate and analytical in the positive sense, I couldn't/wouldn't go back. A profile that is demanding of careful, meticulous set up, but you'll most certainly be properly rewarded All good advice. Our FGS stylii on the Cadenza blacks have an additional 20 μm compared to Ortofons replicant 100 stylus. Not surprised Andy, mine tracks like a demon  |
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Post by gninnam on Dec 24, 2021 11:00:02 GMT
My re-tipped DL103M with new cantilever also has the FGS profile and I agree, the detail is awesome |
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Post by rexton on Dec 24, 2021 12:54:18 GMT
My re-tipped DL103M with new cantilever also has the FGS profile and I agree, the detail is awesome I still might give my spare 103M a remake at some point next year. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 24, 2021 15:55:55 GMT
That stylus profile is pretty much the best of them / right up there. Long and thin profile, with large contact area, which means it digs very deep into the groove and draws out untold recorded info, even more than the very detailed, Shibata'd 2M Black and Cadenza Black. That was evident to me, having had both and having the Cadenza-tipped with the FGS profile, just excellent. No wonder Ortofon put their Replicant profile (which is pretty much the same as the FGS), on their top tier / Exclusive carts. These profiles were made to replicate the vinyl lacquer cutting lathe so as well as plenty of recorded info, they are accurate and analytical in the positive sense, I couldn't/wouldn't go back. A profile that is demanding of careful, meticulous set up, but you'll most certainly be properly rewarded All good advice. Our FGS stylii on the Cadenza blacks have an additional 20 μm compared to Ortofons replicant 100 stylus. Hold your horses.......they don't. The number represents the radius of where the manufacturer who is using said stylus expects it to sit in the groove. The FGS/Replicant100 profile is 15-120u. There is no physical difference in size between the Replicant 100 or the FGS. |
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Post by karma67 on Dec 24, 2021 16:16:47 GMT
All good advice. Our FGS stylii on the Cadenza blacks have an additional 20 μm compared to Ortofons replicant 100 stylus. Hold your horses.......they don't. The number represents the radius of where the manufacturer who is using said stylus expects it to sit in the groove. The FGS/Replicant100 profile is 15-120u. There is no physical difference in size between the Replicant 100 or the FGS. its not worth getting bogged down on these ridiculously tiny figures,like you can here the difference between the 2 lol |
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 24, 2021 16:21:04 GMT
Hold your horses.......they don't. The number represents the radius of where the manufacturer who is using said stylus expects it to sit in the groove. The FGS/Replicant100 profile is 15-120u. There is no physical difference in size between the Replicant 100 or the FGS. its not worth getting bogged down on these ridiculously tiny figures,like you can here the difference between the 2 lol It's not a case of getting bogged down, it's that someone may read this page and use it as a reference. If they do, the info should be correct. |
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Post by karma67 on Dec 24, 2021 16:27:37 GMT
its not worth getting bogged down on these ridiculously tiny figures,like you can here the difference between the 2 lol It's not a case of getting bogged down, it's that someone may we'll read this page and use it as a reference. If they do, the reference should be correct. And to be fair, if you can't hear 20u of difference in stylus profile, you really need a whole new system 🤣🤣 gawd help them then in that case
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 24, 2021 16:29:00 GMT
It's not a case of getting bogged down, it's that someone may we'll read this page and use it as a reference. If they do, the reference should be correct. And to be fair, if you can't hear 20u of difference in stylus profile, you really need a whole new system 🤣🤣 gawd help them then in that case Indeed..... We can only try our best!!. |
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