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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 19, 2021 20:23:05 GMT
Things have been sounding rather awesome since the addition of SAEC Triple C interconnects and the Acoustic Revive Speaker cable. Here: tinyurl.com/ycyvce3m and Here: ttps://tinyurl.com/2p8zx5ex This stuff has been an absolute revelation. To the point where i have recommended it consistently to anyone who seeks input on such matters. With that in mind, and also recently having had some unexplainable tonal shifts when swapping mains cables around, I decided I would have a go with some UP-OCC mains cable and see what happens. Unfortunately, it still hasn’t arrived from China, and looks unlikely to. Armed with the experience of what the Triple C has done for the system, I decided I'd try a CCC one instead. I ordered a 1.2m length of Furutech FP-TCS21, Furutech FI-1363 (Cu) UK plug. I already had a Papri Pure Copper IEC plug here, so a Total cost of around £160ish. Obviously, this is not a “priority” spend on the system. If you have other areas that require attention I suggest paying attention to that first! Building the cable up was a bit of a faff due to the construction of the cable itself but the cores were nice and flexible when exposed. Once i'd got everything to the correct length and position, the rest was easy. I decided to remove ANY cable that i did not need for the A/B test with the Belden Shielded stuff i usually use, I also decided that I would start with vinyl. Out went the Mutec, Digibit Aria and Soekris 2541. I also realised i have a dual socket to the left of the system as well as the right. I felt it may be wise to put all the mains on the left side and all the signal runs on the right side of the rack. This also meant that i would be able to be absolutely spot on with the cable placement too. Listening to the system with the new layout and the Belden in situ, there was a definite uplift in sound quality. The Background seemed to be further back, or a little further “away” from me. Little nuances and details crept into my consciousness. Things that i have maybe heard with the high resolution levels of digital, but they were quite clearly more audible. Tonally, not much changed at all. I gave that a few days, just to be sure I knew what I was hearing. Then I threw the Furutech in. The first LP I played was a Jazz one….but I can't remember what it was called. That's because as I sat here getting the laptop out to make some notes, the drummer started playing the cymbal. What occurred after that has left me scratching my head for a few days now. Usually, I find if you listen to decent equipment, you can mayber hear the direction of someone's voice change, as if they move their head left to right, or vice versa. Well, I could “hear” directions of his drumsticks striking the cymbal…..only it wasn’t just Left to right….it was front to back. It was as if the mind's eye could “see” him playing. I must have listened to about 30 LPs in a row…thus losing track of what I started with, and all of them…..ALL OF THEM seemed to have a moment where this 4th dimension turned up. I’m not talking about fancy pants audiophile pressings either. I listened to anything that caught my eye. Now, I genuinely write this thinking that what I have heard/am hearing shouldn’t be possible. Or is possible, but that a mains cable shouldn’t be the reason for revealing this. But I have taken the cable out and put the Belden back in and this effect disappears with the Furutech. Thus, I am at a loss as to WHY this is happening with the Furutech. I wondered if i had somehow made a mess of the wiring and had the mains cable “out of phase” but a quick continuity test has shown it’s constructed correctly. I have kettle leads strewn across the floor to see if any of them do the same, but no…… I decided to put the digital in and see what happens…..yeah, happens again lol. So, after about 10-15hours of listening i have decided that i’m not smart enough to figure out why, so i am just gonna rewire the entire system lol I’ll add that to 2022’s list of things to do.
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Post by firebottle on Dec 19, 2021 20:34:19 GMT
Mains to the 686 I presume?
Avalon or BBu in the chain?
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Post by rexton on Dec 19, 2021 21:03:36 GMT
Well I'm stuffed then. I have a mixture of belden and furutech cables. I've mainly bought these when they turn up 2nd hand. I think I have some of the Furutech FP-314 Ag Mk.II cable. I will really have to check when I get home from work tomorrow. Maybe do a little experimenting with cable placement in the system?
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Post by brucew268 on Dec 19, 2021 22:24:18 GMT
That Furutech Triple C sounds like something I'll have to try. Thanks for posting your experience as I was wondering how you were gettiing on with it.
I have some Furutech OCC on the preamplifier and found it a good improvement over my kettle leads, unlike a few cables I'd tried in previous years. Furutech also has cables impregnated with nano particles 'Alpha-nano" but I've had hesitations about that approach, so the Triple C is definitely of interest... sometime later in 2022 after a few other things have been sorted. I did receive some of that OCC from China but while flexible it is so thick compared to my other stuff I'm not sure I want to reengineer my connections to handle it. BTW that AR speaker cable looks like 2.5mm2 solid core, right, and therefore rather stiff? Looks like some engineering went into the geometry.
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 19, 2021 22:39:08 GMT
Mains to the 686 I presume? Avalon or BBu in the chain? Yes, Mains to 686. BT2, 686 & BBu at the moment, Avalon is out on loan. I'm not sure that's relevant though, as it happens with the digital too.
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Post by antonio on Dec 19, 2021 22:41:36 GMT
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 19, 2021 22:44:37 GMT
Well I'm stuffed then. I have a mixture of belden and furutech cables. I've mainly bought these when they turn up 2nd hand. I think I have some of the Furutech FP-314 Ag Mk.II cable. I will really have to check when I get home from work tomorrow. Maybe do a little experimenting with cable placement in the system? I think it's worth it. There is something happening, enough for me to make some more cables and get them in the system. BTW, not sure how much the UK plug is accountable for. It's got weird looking metal on the prongs. Supposed to be some sort special copper. It's certainly different.
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 19, 2021 22:55:28 GMT
That Furutech Triple C sounds like something I'll have to try. Thanks for posting your experience as I was wondering how you were gettiing on with it.
I have some Furutech OCC on the preamplifier and found it a good improvement over my kettle leads, unlike a few cables I'd tried in previous years. Furutech also has cables impregnated with nano particles 'Alpha-nano" but I've had hesitations about that approach, so the Triple C is definitely of interest... sometime later in 2022 after a few other things have been sorted. I did receive some of that OCC from China but while flexible it is so thick compared to my other stuff I'm not sure I want to reengineer my connections to handle it. BTW that AR speaker cable looks like 2.5mm2 solid core, right, and therefore rather stiff? Looks like some engineering went into the geometry. The AR speaker cable is stiff. Very stiff, and you have to be careful not to bend it 90 degrees. This can spoil the grain structure apparently. Also, if you do bent it too much, it snaps off. I am speaking from experience. For an easier life, I'd go with the SAEC SPC-850 The Triple C stuff is a game changer. Our resident mod, optical has just installed some in his system and he has been VERY impressed. He's another cable nut, so I'm sure he'll pass a few words on it. Yeah, shame that OCC didn't arrive, but I'll be going all CCC asap .
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 19, 2021 23:02:26 GMT
I have the AR speaker cable you've linked to, and I didn't buy the power cable because I didn't know it was roughly the same price. I expected it to be more. I will be trying some though. No, Furutech came from MCRU.
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Post by antonio on Dec 20, 2021 0:23:40 GMT
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 20, 2021 7:59:17 GMT
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Post by mayebaza on Dec 20, 2021 11:53:34 GMT
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Post by misterc on Dec 20, 2021 12:56:06 GMT
I think I have around 20 MCRU's versions of all sorts trade in's over the last 12 months'
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Post by brucew268 on Dec 20, 2021 13:09:57 GMT
I'd seen a positive review on those. However, I've experienced a few power cables and signal cables that others have liked and with some sort of damping but to to my ears were overdamped and ruined the harmonics and openness. I've not had any experience of the Puritans but reading about their "dissipative" technology made me cautious on that same line. I think I have around 20 MCRU's versions of all sorts trade in's over the last 12 months' I find it difficult to understand how he can carry some rather nice Furutech, Oyaide, Iego but anything made up with his brand is reported as not performing well, regardless of price.
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Post by misterc on Dec 20, 2021 13:13:18 GMT
Bruce you would hae to ask him, I have around 40 mains cables from Cy cables with £300 connnectors on (I kid you not lol) to Odin II all really do have ann effect on rthe sound, which one you like, well thats down to you.
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Post by brucew268 on Dec 20, 2021 13:59:29 GMT
Bruce you would hae to ask him, I have around 40 mains cables from Cy cables with £300 connnectors on (I kid you not lol) to Odin II all really do have ann effect on rthe sound, which one you like, well thats down to you. I wasn't asking you to answer for him nor doubting you. It's just a curious thing.
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Post by misterc on Dec 20, 2021 14:38:21 GMT
I know Bruce bt only Dave know's why he sells that many brands of mains cables!
Interesting we have been just (lunch time offical break lol) been ttesting a new specific component mains cable and the decision on which fuse to place it said cable.
The Purple is the new black, however I am not sold on this one, yes it does deliver more leading edge and uppermid bass over the previous SR reference, however in the five places we have tried it in to quote' it loses the magic' the natural flow and ease to which we had before the change was absolutely punch drunk obvious, yes it does have more of the hifi traits. But I feel it is tipping the balance way to much from the desrised path we have spent the last 20 years obtaining.
Just goes to show all that gllitters may not be gold, no question it has the above traits over the Orange, but then hifi is for audiophiles, music lovers have different ideas
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Post by rexton on Dec 20, 2021 21:39:04 GMT
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 20, 2021 22:07:07 GMT
No, but I am trying to find some well priced DUCC for a pair of interconnects. It doesn't appear to exist. However, I am reliably informed that CCC is still ahead with DUCC sitting between that and OCC
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Post by pete on Dec 20, 2021 22:26:12 GMT
Things have been sounding rather awesome since the addition of SAEC Triple C interconnects and the Acoustic Revive Speaker cable. Here: tinyurl.com/ycyvce3m and Here: ttps://tinyurl.com/2p8zx5ex This stuff has been an absolute revelation. To the point where i have recommended it consistently to anyone who seeks input on such matters. With that in mind, and also recently having had some unexplainable tonal shifts when swapping mains cables around, I decided I would have a go with some UP-OCC mains cable and see what happens. Unfortunately, it still hasn’t arrived from China, and looks unlikely to. Armed with the experience of what the Triple C has done for the system, I decided I'd try a CCC one instead. I ordered a 1.2m length of Furutech FP-TCS21, Furutech FI-1363 (Cu) UK plug. I already had a Papri Pure Copper IEC plug here, so a Total cost of around £160ish. Obviously, this is not a “priority” spend on the system. If you have other areas that require attention I suggest paying attention to that first! Building the cable up was a bit of a faff due to the construction of the cable itself but the cores were nice and flexible when exposed. Once i'd got everything to the correct length and position, the rest was easy. I decided to remove ANY cable that i did not need for the A/B test with the Belden Shielded stuff i usually use, I also decided that I would start with vinyl. Out went the Mutec, Digibit Aria and Soekris 2541. I also realised i have a dual socket to the left of the system as well as the right. I felt it may be wise to put all the mains on the left side and all the signal runs on the right side of the rack. This also meant that i would be able to be absolutely spot on with the cable placement too. Listening to the system with the new layout and the Belden in situ, there was a definite uplift in sound quality. The Background seemed to be further back, or a little further “away” from me. Little nuances and details crept into my consciousness. Things that i have maybe heard with the high resolution levels of digital, but they were quite clearly more audible. Tonally, not much changed at all. I gave that a few days, just to be sure I knew what I was hearing. Then I threw the Furutech in. The first LP I played was a Jazz one….but I can't remember what it was called. That's because as I sat here getting the laptop out to make some notes, the drummer started playing the cymbal. What occurred after that has left me scratching my head for a few days now. Usually, I find if you listen to decent equipment, you can mayber hear the direction of someone's voice change, as if they move their head left to right, or vice versa. Well, I could “hear” directions of his drumsticks striking the cymbal…..only it wasn’t just Left to right….it was front to back. It was as if the mind's eye could “see” him playing. I must have listened to about 30 LPs in a row…thus losing track of what I started with, and all of them…..ALL OF THEM seemed to have a moment where this 4th dimension turned up. I’m not talking about fancy pants audiophile pressings either. I listened to anything that caught my eye. Now, I genuinely write this thinking that what I have heard/am hearing shouldn’t be possible. Or is possible, but that a mains cable shouldn’t be the reason for revealing this. But I have taken the cable out and put the Belden back in and this effect disappears with the Furutech. Thus, I am at a loss as to WHY this is happening with the Furutech. I wondered if i had somehow made a mess of the wiring and had the mains cable “out of phase” but a quick continuity test has shown it’s constructed correctly. I have kettle leads strewn across the floor to see if any of them do the same, but no…… I decided to put the digital in and see what happens…..yeah, happens again lol. So, after about 10-15hours of listening i have decided that i’m not smart enough to figure out why, so i am just gonna rewire the entire system lol I’ll add that to 2022’s list of things to do. I don't have anywhere such a revealing system as Oliver's, no where near it, but when I dropped in one length of Furutech CCC it made more than a substantial difference with sound stage, noise floor and base clarity. I was surprised I got such a notable improvement just changing the power lead to my pre-amp.
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Post by mayebaza on Dec 21, 2021 19:13:29 GMT
I'd seen a positive review on those. However, I've experienced a few power cables and signal cables that others have liked and with some sort of damping but to to my ears were overdamped and ruined the harmonics and openness. I've not had any experience of the Puritans but reading about their "dissipative" technology made me cautious on that same line. I think I have around 20 MCRU's versions of all sorts trade in's over the last 12 months' I find it difficult to understand how he can carry some rather nice Furutech, Oyaide, Iego but anything made up with his brand is reported as not performing well, regardless of price. You may be right, that's why I said it is best suited to digital sources.
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