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Post by pauld on Jul 17, 2018 12:57:59 GMT
 Coherent Systems cables are a new one for me, I have heard and tried many different cables and never thought they were a worthwhile upgrade on my existing cable, so had stayed with my trusty Exposure. When I recently did my upgrades, Coherent Systems brought along some of his speaker cable for me to try out and I was shocked by the improvement it made in the system. In short, it appears to enable the system to breath, it has totally opened up the sound stage, both width and depth. Vocals are crisper and smoother, bass is significantly tighter and the sound is extremely musical. The upgrade over the Exposure cable I was using before is significant and I couldn't be happier, this upgrade has enabled me to enjoy my system even further, by disappearing and allowing the music to flow through the system. Mighty impressive stuff. If you are looking for a speaker cable that just allows the music to flow, then this is worth considering seriously. |
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Post by savvypaul on Jul 17, 2018 14:36:40 GMT
What sort of price was the Exposure cable when you bought it and how much per metre is the Coherent 5D cable? I'm seeing the 4D cables at £2250 for 3 metres (£750 per metre), and the 6D cables at £2800 for just 2 metres (£1400 per metre). I can see a 3m set of Exposure cable on Gumtree for £35: www.gumtree.com/p/amplifiers/exposure-speaker-cable./1228950125Would those numbers be about right? |
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Post by pauld on Jul 17, 2018 15:47:53 GMT
I am not sure, why do you ask?
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Post by macca on Jul 17, 2018 16:10:09 GMT
I am not sure, why do you ask? Cost vs improvement gained? They are expensive enough that even a wealthy person is going to think about it. So probably relevant to any review of them. |
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Post by pauld on Jul 17, 2018 16:13:35 GMT
I bought my Coherent cables used, as I did with the Exposure, so I am not sure of their original value, and honestly I am not that bothered. They made a huge upgrade to my system, so I think they were worth ever penny  |
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Post by savvypaul on Jul 17, 2018 16:20:53 GMT
In jumping from £35 cables to £xxxx cables, did you 'review' any other cables?
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Post by pauld on Jul 17, 2018 16:37:29 GMT
In jumping from £35 cables to £xxxx cables, did you 'review' any other cables? Oh yes, many many cables. |
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Post by savvypaul on Jul 17, 2018 16:45:31 GMT
Thanks Paul,
And you had to spend four figures to beat the £35 Exposure?
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Post by pauld on Jul 17, 2018 16:49:16 GMT
Thanks Paul, And you had to spend four figures to beat the £35 Exposure? Well yes kind of. Other cables I had tried were better in certain ways, but overall I preferred the balance of the Exposures and didn't feel the other cables were significantly better than the Exposure's. However, with the Coherent, it was just one of those very easy decisions because I was blown away with their performance and felt I had to have them, and therefore, for me, were worth the money I spent on them. |
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Post by savvypaul on Jul 17, 2018 17:29:11 GMT
Cool.
How did you get to hear about them? I don't think they are very well known?
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Post by nonuffin on Jul 17, 2018 19:11:08 GMT
Cool. How did you get to hear about them? I don't think they are very well known? Coherent cables have been around a long time, certainly in excess of the 10 years I have known about them.
They make really excellent cables from scratch to a recipe they have never divulged.
Really great sounding cables but at a price, well beyond my pocket.
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Post by pauld on Jul 17, 2018 20:24:31 GMT
Cool. How did you get to hear about them? I don't think they are very well known? I heard about them through friends on another forum. Not sure how well known they’re are, I certainly hadn’t heard of them prior to talking to my friends. |
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Post by antonio on Jul 18, 2018 6:01:06 GMT
What sort of price was the Exposure cable when you bought it and how much per metre is the Coherent 5D cable? I'm seeing the 4D cables at £2250 for 3 metres (£750 per metre), and the 6D cables at £2800 for just 2 metres (£1400 per metre). I can see a 3m set of Exposure cable on Gumtree for £35: www.gumtree.com/p/amplifiers/exposure-speaker-cable./1228950125Would those numbers be about right? That's a little unfair savvypaul, you are quoting new prices on the Coherent and 2nd hand on the Exposure, reverse that and the difference becomes more affordable, say £150 for Exposure and £900 for the Coherent. Although Coherent are expensive and I wouldn't purchase, I have yet to read any negatives on them. |
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Post by antonio on Jul 18, 2018 6:02:27 GMT
Pauld, can I ask how flexible the Coherent cable is?
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Post by savvypaul on Jul 18, 2018 7:19:09 GMT
What sort of price was the Exposure cable when you bought it and how much per metre is the Coherent 5D cable? I'm seeing the 4D cables at £2250 for 3 metres (£750 per metre), and the 6D cables at £2800 for just 2 metres (£1400 per metre). I can see a 3m set of Exposure cable on Gumtree for £35: www.gumtree.com/p/amplifiers/exposure-speaker-cable./1228950125Would those numbers be about right? That's a little unfair savvypaul, you are quoting new prices on the Coherent and 2nd hand on the Exposure, reverse that and the difference becomes more affordable, say £150 for Exposure and £900 for the Coherent. Although Coherent are expensive and I wouldn't purchase, I have yet to read any negatives on them. I quoted what I could find. I asked the OP to clarify. The Exposure cable is no longer made but it was always priced at less than the Naim '5' cable. Where do you get your figures from? It would be unfair to, say, make them up  |
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Post by antonio on Jul 18, 2018 8:11:44 GMT
I did guess at the price of the Exposure cable, is £150 realistic for the Exposure if still made today. Price for Coherent, 3-4 years old loses 50 - 60%. My figures were not meant to be exact, just an example. Look at the price difference between NVA LS2 and TSCS.
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Post by pauld on Jul 18, 2018 8:47:32 GMT
Pauld, can I ask how flexible the Coherent cable is? Hi Antonio, The cable is surprisingly flexible, much better than the Exposure cable I used to use. |
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Post by pauld on Jul 18, 2018 8:52:08 GMT
That's a little unfair savvypaul, you are quoting new prices on the Coherent and 2nd hand on the Exposure, reverse that and the difference becomes more affordable, say £150 for Exposure and £900 for the Coherent. Although Coherent are expensive and I wouldn't purchase, I have yet to read any negatives on them. I quoted what I could find. I asked the OP to clarify. The Exposure cable is no longer made but it was always priced at less than the Naim '5' cable. Where do you get your figures from? It would be unfair to, say, make them up Exposure cable is effectively the same cable as the Naim NAC A4 cable and was very cheap, I think actually only about £3 a metre or something of that nature when it was made in the early 90s. To buy now, you could probably be looking at anywhere between £35 - £100 dependent on length, condition and what they have been terminated with. I tried Naim NAC A5 cable which is still made now and priced at a ridiculous £35 a metre and it wasn't anywhere near as good IMHO as the Exposure cable. It was all bright, thin and nasty sounding. |
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Post by pauld on Jul 18, 2018 8:53:25 GMT
I did guess at the price of the Exposure cable, is £150 realistic for the Exposure if still made today. Price for Coherent, 3-4 years old loses 50 - 60%. My figures were not meant to be exact, just an example. Look at the price difference between NVA LS2 and TSCS. If Exposure cable was made today, that price probably isn't too far off, again, dependent on length and termination. |
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Post by savvypaul on Jul 18, 2018 9:08:06 GMT
I quoted what I could find. I asked the OP to clarify. The Exposure cable is no longer made but it was always priced at less than the Naim '5' cable. Where do you get your figures from? It would be unfair to, say, make them up Exposure cable is effectively the same cable as the Naim NAC A4 cable and was very cheap, I think actually only about £3 a metre or something of that nature when it was made in the early 90s. To buy now, you could probably be looking at anywhere between £35 - £100 dependent on length, condition and what they have been terminated with. I tried Naim NAC A5 cable which is still made now and priced at a ridiculous £35 a metre and it wasn't anywhere near as good IMHO as the Exposure cable. It was all bright, thin and nasty sounding. Given their rising values, speaker cables seem like a good long term investment! Inflation applied to £3 since 1990 comes to £6.48 today. I might sell my gold reserves and buy some drums of copper!!  |
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Post by pauld on Jul 18, 2018 9:10:51 GMT
Exposure cable is effectively the same cable as the Naim NAC A4 cable and was very cheap, I think actually only about £3 a metre or something of that nature when it was made in the early 90s. To buy now, you could probably be looking at anywhere between £35 - £100 dependent on length, condition and what they have been terminated with. I tried Naim NAC A5 cable which is still made now and priced at a ridiculous £35 a metre and it wasn't anywhere near as good IMHO as the Exposure cable. It was all bright, thin and nasty sounding. Given their rising values, speaker cables seem like a good long term investment! Inflation applied to £3 since 1990 comes to £6.48 today. I might sell my gold reserves and buy some drums of copper!! Yep, have you not seen how much some Naim and Linn kit can sell for these days? sometimes double or more the original price. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 18, 2018 12:06:13 GMT
Linn K20 has remained a bargain. Who would’ve thought it!
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Post by pauld on Jul 18, 2018 18:10:05 GMT
Linn K20 has remained a bargain. Who would’ve thought it! It probably is and was the only Linn component that was a bargain! |
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 18, 2018 18:59:35 GMT
Linn K20 has remained a bargain. Who would’ve thought it! It probably is and was the only Linn component that was a bargain! Maybe I should buy a kilometre of the stuff. They are bound to cotton on and hike it to Naim levels before long! |
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