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Post by antonio on Dec 3, 2021 5:07:58 GMT
Firstly I'll confess, I'm a big fan of YG speakers and now they have brought out an active speaker system, what do you think ?
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Post by firebottle on Dec 3, 2021 8:12:43 GMT
It might be 'all about the music' but at what cost?
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Post by macca on Dec 3, 2021 9:32:29 GMT
It might be 'all about the music' but at what cost? Fifty thousand dollar. |
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Post by misterc on Dec 3, 2021 17:23:02 GMT
You really need to meet Dik Dimond first he is their international sales director a serious card lol Anat II's with bass module's hummmmmmmmmmmmmm think a (not so) poor relation to Magico S7's (there's no magic in a magico) Ultra-fi done the way of thhe USA. Before anyone feels I am being unjest, I have owned six pairs of them although not for very long!
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Post by macca on Dec 3, 2021 17:36:11 GMT
His names's never Dik Dimond?
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Post by misterc on Dec 3, 2021 18:57:45 GMT
Hi Martin It really is............
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Post by macca on Dec 3, 2021 19:33:28 GMT
outstanding.
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Post by misterc on Dec 3, 2021 20:08:10 GMT
He's even better in the flesh, a few years ago they tried to pursude us to distribute YG's (after Absolute clowns turned them down here) only in the great US of A could this man work unhindered! |
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Post by hifinutt on Dec 3, 2021 22:39:20 GMT
Would not mind hearing carmels
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 3, 2021 23:14:08 GMT
Would not mind hearing carmels I have heard the bigger ones, Unfortunately they were on the end of Chord amplification and it seems they suffered for it. |
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Post by antonio on Dec 4, 2021 2:01:53 GMT
Would not mind hearing carmels Carmel's are great, heard them with various amplifiers, the best being a £30k Boulder, but YG's are a great match with Audionet. |
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Post by macca on Dec 4, 2021 8:55:15 GMT
can't seem to find any measurements for any YG speaker, even Stereophile don't seem to have reviewed them.
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Post by misterc on Dec 4, 2021 10:20:56 GMT
I have pair of carmell II's Oli, IMHO the are the most rounded of the range, do not use with Moon/Krell/Constallation/Soulution or Bat, they are quite forward. Cabling best suited to JPS Alumantium, Cardas Golden Ref and some of the more exotic Siltec's They need help butt he with the right room and amps with presence can sound not to bad.
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Post by macca on Dec 4, 2021 10:59:26 GMT
I have pair of carmell II's Oli, IMHO the are the most rounded of the range, do not use with Moon/Krell/Constallation/Soulution or Bat, they are quite forward. Cabling best suited to JPS Alumantium, Cardas Golden Ref and some of the more exotic Siltec's They need help butt he with the right room and amps with presence can sound not to bad. That one has been reviewed by Stereophile. www.stereophile.com/content/yg-acoustics-carmel-2-loudspeaker-measurements so will have to beg to differ. measures well, not a tough load, flat FR, just not very sensitive at 83dB but as long as it has enough watts almost any amplifier will do - and any cable for that matter. Siltech - lol Bass drops off a cliff below 40Hz so should work fine without EQ in any room 16 x 12 or larger. No way would I pay £25K for a two-way dome/cone speaker though. |
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Post by misterc on Dec 4, 2021 11:32:05 GMT
Martin
They were originally £16K, but they are OK for YG's that was my point.
So can you give the forum a way of interpreting a directivity charts for sound dispursion that would assist thse that do not grasp the fundementals of speaker measured performance charactoristics. It would help those get to rips with how the sound dispurses into the room, rather than just basic sesnistivity and FR thanks.
Though I will say the Carmell are well rounded and least compared to the rest of the YG ranges, I was being dipolmatic you need to slug the souund with warm cables imho!
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Post by macca on Dec 4, 2021 12:34:16 GMT
Martin They were originally £16K, but they are OK for YG's that was my point. So can you give the forum a way of interpreting a directivity charts for sound dispursion that would assist thse that do not grasp the fundementals of speaker measured performance charactoristics. It would help those get to rips with how the sound dispurses into the room, rather than just basic sesnistivity and FR thanks. Though I will say the Carmell are well rounded and least compared to the rest of the YG ranges, I was being dipolmatic you need to slug the souund with warm cables imho! I can't refer to a measurement that's not been done. We can only go on the info that we've got but it's better than nothing for someone - me - that's never heard them. Obviously I don't agree there's such a thing as a 'warm cable' but I take your word for it that the balance of the speaker is a subjectively 'bright', and the measurements we have don't contradict that. Could be compensated for with EQ or passive room treatments though, that's what I'd do rather than mess about with mega-money cables. I suspect a lot of much cheaper speakers will comfortably out-perform them, the JM Labs I use for one example, and you can get them used for a grand or new for around five. Can't see anything the YG does that warrants an extra eleven grand. |
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Post by antonio on Dec 5, 2021 0:42:14 GMT
Martin They were originally £16K, but they are OK for YG's that was my point. So can you give the forum a way of interpreting a directivity charts for sound dispursion that would assist thse that do not grasp the fundementals of speaker measured performance charactoristics. It would help those get to rips with how the sound dispurses into the room, rather than just basic sesnistivity and FR thanks. Though I will say the Carmell are well rounded and least compared to the rest of the YG ranges, I was being dipolmatic you need to slug the souund with warm cables imho! My interpretation of 'rounded' would be easy/smooth and yet you say they need a warmer cable, and in your previous post you say not to use with Moon or Soulution, two amps that are very different in my opinion. |
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Post by misterc on Dec 5, 2021 17:38:10 GMT
Dave compared to the rest of the ranges its the least offensive and with a bit of practice can sound listenable gor sure
One ofvyge worst sounds I have ever listened to was Carmel 2's big moon monos full dcs stack on all Nordost Odin cables it was truly grim and that was at the Bristol show a few years ago
Moon are very different from Soulution in terms of sonics the former being more warm and fuller the latter being far more neutral and cleaner presentation
If you have more brutal amps like Boulder/Burmester/Constallation/T+ A then bu using warmer cables will help matters imho
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Post by antonio on Dec 6, 2021 3:36:10 GMT
How different we are MisterC, we found T & A amplification to be warmer sounding, almost valve like when had one for a home dem, not good enough to replace his VTL though. That's when he purchased an Audionet power amp, without auditioning, highly unlike my brother, but was immediately seduced.
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Post by misterc on Dec 6, 2021 10:00:59 GMT
Dave,
T+A is regarded as Germany Naim here, its very powerful, but not much subtley imho
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Post by macca on Dec 6, 2021 10:38:20 GMT
Naim isn't very powerful though, maybe excepting the Statement, since their current delivery is not great.
The character of an amplifier is pretty much 100% determined by it's ability to drive the load it's presented with.
For an easy load solid state amps are not going to sound much different up to clipping point (many would say they would be indistinguishable). Assuming they are not a total disaster that is.
Since it's hard these days to find speakers that are an easy load then that matters more than people think.
Amps with output transformers will sound different into every different speaker.
This is why opinions on how any particular amplifier 'sounds' vary so much.
Don't know specifically about the brands mentioned here but many expensive boutique amps are just tarted-up crap that will struggle with a lot of speakers. Dartzeel for example.
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Post by antonio on Dec 6, 2021 12:31:34 GMT
Dave, T+A is regarded as Germany Naim here, its very powerful, but not much subtley imho Is that because they sound like Naim ( which they certainly do not ) or that they are of a similar size, company ethos or something else? |
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Post by misterc on Dec 6, 2021 12:43:46 GMT
Dave, T+A is regarded as Germany Naim here, its very powerful, but not much subtley imho Is that because they sound like Naim ( which they certainly do not ) or that they are of a similar size, company ethos or something else? Its because they do sound like naim on stereiods.
I have the bigger intergated and extra matching psu here and it sure does sound like niam, this is the reason the chap traded it back, it had been grating on him for quite a while Really nice build quality but as subtle as a sledge hammer.
Caveat I have heard the bigger T+A pre power once sound more rounded, this was with the big monster logans (£50K versions) and Black Rhodium cabling, that was listenable imho
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Post by antonio on Dec 6, 2021 13:03:19 GMT
"Its because they do sound like naim on stereiods"
I can't wait till my brother see's this comment, he'll no doubt be spitting his sandwiches out in disbelief. The Vitus amplifier that was on dem at the same time was more Naim sounding than T&A, although we did prefer the T&A if memory serves, but neither were in the VTL class. I cannot tell you the model number but I'm sure it was an intergrated costing nearly £15k, this would have been 6 yrs ago approx.
Have they changed their sound signature in that time?
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