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Post by optical on Nov 30, 2021 14:20:03 GMT
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Post by firebottle on Nov 30, 2021 14:24:34 GMT
Ooh, sexy. I see it's for left and right channels then.
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Post by brucew268 on Nov 30, 2021 14:26:27 GMT
Ooh, sexy. I see it's for left and right channels then. LOL!
Looking forward to listening impressions on both of these.
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Post by optical on Nov 30, 2021 14:27:34 GMT
Ooh, sexy. I see it's for left and right channels then. Haha indeed. More just so I have a reference of which end is source and which end is 'receiver' . . . . I like to have continuity of cable orientation . . . . even in the digital domain . . . with identical symmetrical receivers and cable construction . . . . Oh dear.
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 30, 2021 16:35:48 GMT
That's a very tidy job you've done there. I may get you to make one for me!
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Post by antonio on Nov 30, 2021 16:52:47 GMT
I remember saying I like the idea of silver cables for digital, rather than copper Well done, it looks a bonny cable to me.
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Post by optical on Nov 30, 2021 18:57:59 GMT
I remember saying I like the idea of silver cables for digital, rather than copper  Well done, it looks a bonny cable to me. Thanks Dave, will be giving them a proper run this evening.
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Post by sq225917 on Nov 30, 2021 21:44:52 GMT
She's a looker
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Post by brucew268 on Nov 30, 2021 22:00:40 GMT
0.75 metre?
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Post by optical on Dec 1, 2021 5:52:20 GMT
Yes sir, Or more specifically 3 X 0.25m....
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Post by optical on Dec 1, 2021 10:26:20 GMT
Test report was initially 50/50 but now things looking up.
I've only got an hour or so listening but initially things sounded a little thinner. No idea why, so I swapped back and forth between my standard canare cables and this.
Noticed a few things sounding 'different' with each cable. Noticed the heat-shrink wasn't actually as good as it could be on the new cable so re did it with the heat-shrink being tucked under the plugs for what is now a VERY tight fit but also provides additional strain relief.
Also pushed the coax signal core a bit further into the BNC pin and put it back together.
Shouldn't as the electrical connection was 'working' before and should be the same but it sounds better (might be subliminal of course after 'fixing' the cable!).
Anyway I'll keep it in for a few days now but I'm enjoying what it's doing very much now.
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Post by brucew268 on Dec 2, 2021 15:59:11 GMT
Also pushed the coax signal core a bit further into the BNC pin and put it back together. Shouldn't as the electrical connection was 'working' before and should be the same but it sounds better (might be subliminal of course after 'fixing' the cable!). -Did you find the plugs easy to assemble 'properly' or a bit fiddly to get right? I assume that could have an effect on impedance and potential reflections.
-Is the design such that you could easily remove the cable and install them on another cable if you decided this choice was not performing as you wish?
Just wondering as I consider possible experiments... after you've had enough time to decide whether this is the bees knees, or meh, or only a moderate imporovement over Canare/Belden.
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Post by optical on Dec 3, 2021 12:06:23 GMT
Also pushed the coax signal core a bit further into the BNC pin and put it back together. Shouldn't as the electrical connection was 'working' before and should be the same but it sounds better (might be subliminal of course after 'fixing' the cable!). -Did you find the plugs easy to assemble 'properly' or a bit fiddly to get right? I assume that could have an effect on impedance and potential reflections.
-Is the design such that you could easily remove the cable and install them on another cable if you decided this choice was not performing as you wish?
Just wondering as I consider possible experiments... after you've had enough time to decide whether this is the bees knees, or meh, or only a moderate imporovement over Canare/Belden.
Hi Bruce, the Aeco connectors can be removed and used with a different cable no problem. I have not soldered the connections on them, although you certainly could. Basically the shield/s from the cable are pushed very tightly against the edge of the plug (bottom bit of plug) then when the top bit of the plug (which contains the BNC centre pin) screws down onto the bottom bit the inner barrels of both parts make contact, completing the contact of the shield and the barrel on both parts of the plug. As fr as SQ is concerned, there is definitely a difference between this an the usual coax/belden/canare etc. I've left it in this time and have no thoughts about putting anything else back in. It has more detail and 'nuance' to the music at possibly the expense of some low down impact, but just a touch perhaps. Running dual subs its a trade-off I can more than live with.
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Post by brucew268 on Dec 3, 2021 13:21:38 GMT
the Aeco connectors can be removed and used with a different cable no problem. I have not soldered the connections on them, although you certainly could. Basically the shield/s from the cable are pushed very tightly against the edge of the plug (bottom bit of plug) then when the top bit of the plug (which contains the BNC centre pin) screws down onto the bottom bit the inner barrels of both parts make contact, completing the contact of the shield and the barrel on both parts of the plug. As fr as SQ is concerned, there is definitely a difference between this an the usual coax/belden/canare etc. I've left it in this time and have no thoughts about putting anything else back in. It has more detail and 'nuance' to the music at possibly the expense of some low down impact, but just a touch perhaps. Running dual subs its a trade-off I can more than live with. Thanks for that.
Interesting that there is better detail and nuance but LF impact might be less. It would be interesting to hear whether there is further improvement down the road, whether things open up a bit further with 100-200 hours on them.
Compared to my Canare/Belden I am hoping to find something where
- I can see a litle more openly into the recording, especially complex passages
- Better dimensionality and depth to the instruments
- AND better weight and defintiion in the bass, though I may compensate for this with mains leads.
Of course, slight changes to how I dress the Coax cable make a difference to all this, but looking for more.
I'd considered building one of these and also the OCC Coax mentioned previously, but note that the conductor material and coax construction are only two factors. Neotech seems to have given more attention to the dielectric and shielding. (The OCC seems to be solid PE whereas your silver has foamed PE, and yours says a bit about the quality/amount of of shielding. Who knows on the other.)
Sounds like your solid silver Neotech/AECO is worth a shot, though would be good to have another worthy option to compare to.
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Post by optical on Dec 3, 2021 13:31:35 GMT
the Aeco connectors can be removed and used with a different cable no problem. I have not soldered the connections on them, although you certainly could. Basically the shield/s from the cable are pushed very tightly against the edge of the plug (bottom bit of plug) then when the top bit of the plug (which contains the BNC centre pin) screws down onto the bottom bit the inner barrels of both parts make contact, completing the contact of the shield and the barrel on both parts of the plug. As fr as SQ is concerned, there is definitely a difference between this an the usual coax/belden/canare etc. I've left it in this time and have no thoughts about putting anything else back in. It has more detail and 'nuance' to the music at possibly the expense of some low down impact, but just a touch perhaps. Running dual subs its a trade-off I can more than live with. Thanks for that.
Interesting that there is better detail and nuance but LF impact might be less. It would be interesting to hear whether there is further improvement down the road, whether things open up a bit further with 100-200 hours on them.
Compared to my Canare/Belden I am hoping to find something where
- I can see a litle more openly into the recording, especially complex passages
- Better dimensionality and depth to the instruments
- AND better weight and defintiion in the bass, though I may compensate for this with mains leads.
Of course, slight changes to how I dress the Coax cable make a difference to all this, but looking for more.
I'd considered building one of these and also the OCC Coax mentioned previously, but note that the conductor material and coax construction are only two factors. Neotech seems to have given more attention to the dielectric and shielding. (The OCC seems to be solid PE whereas your silver has foamed PE, and yours says a bit about the quality/amount of of shielding. Who knows on the other.)
Sounds like your solid silver Neotech/AECO is worth a shot, though would be good to have another worthy option to compare to.
Hi Bruce, I have that one you linked to also made with pure copper RCA's for a coax to coax connection. Oli sent me one and I bought it and then I bought another to make up myself for testing purposes (different plugs etc). It's excellent value for money but offers limited shielding in comparison to the Neotech. As you have eluded to the Neotech has a lot of thought behind the manufacturing process, Granted I haven't tried that particular coax cable with BNC connectors or indeed the Neotech one with RCA plugs but I suspect the Neotech is ahead on most counts. The removal of some bass impact is certainly not night and day in fact I would say it has opened up further but this could just be me getting used to it of course. I've probably made a few too many changes in my system recently to properly judge things as critically as is required to draw conclusions. Preamp, DAC, various power cables have all been chopped and changed recently so it's an ongoing process. I'll certainly report my findings once the system has been settled for a good while (as if that ever happens!). In regards to your expectations and requirements there, I would certainly say the cable allowed more insight into passages of music in comparison the Belden/canare.
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Post by optical on Dec 13, 2021 8:06:07 GMT
Just an update to this now it has more than a good few hours on it.
I've always been somewhat skeptical about 'burn-in' over a more prolonged period (5-10 hours seems reasonable to me) as I've always just assumed that if you don't dislike the result of a change in cable initially, the perceived burn-in could in fact just be your brain getting used to the nuances of the cable etc.
Ie: the sound hasn't actually changed, you're just learning to hear the difference it makes over time, kind of like audible training.
Anyway, this particular cable has now fully planted me in the BNC to BNC connector camp. It has detail (silver ahem) but zero loss of bass slam and attack and it's never shrill or sharp. In my system it has just contributed to everything now sounding 'right'. I know that should be a prerequisite of any cable that stays in place but it's not always the case.
The electronic argument (scientifically) for BNC connectors holds up too so getting a good cable like this with proper connectors has had no drawbacks I can perceive.
I'd fully recommend trying one if you're system can facilitate.
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Post by brian2957 on Dec 13, 2021 11:32:32 GMT
Thanks for reporting back Chris. I've been looking at this cable for a digital coax cable (RCA to RCA) from my Audiolab 6000CDT to my DAC. I will probably be using KLEI plugs. Is this cable stiff BTW ? I was thinking about 25cm long but may have to use 50cm if it's too stiff.
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Post by optical on Dec 13, 2021 11:40:14 GMT
Thanks for reporting back Chris. I've been looking at this cable for a digital coax cable (RCA to RCA) from my Audiolab 6000CDT to my DAC. I will probably be using KLEI plugs. Is this cable stiff BTW ? I was thinking about 25cm long but may have to use 50cm if it's too stiff. Hi Brian, it's not particularly stiff, the braid makes it a little stiffer than a standard interconnect I would say. I would also recommend going at least 70cm or so (so 75 as it's sold in 25cm lengths), not necessarily because of reflections or whatever and I really don't know why but almost every coax cable I've made and done a direct comparison of, same cable, same plugs, everything. One being 25/30/50 cm etc, 75cm to 1m ALWAYS sounds superior. Sorry I can't explain why (I have a few theories but probably wrong anyway). That's just my experience mate. The KLEI plugs are great too but I think I prefer the AECO ones (For both BNC and RCA). Will be interested to hear what you think making an RCA version of this cable.
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Post by brian2957 on Dec 13, 2021 12:02:39 GMT
Thanks Chris, it's difficult to explain why one cable sounds better than another, even if you have the correct equipment to analyse them. I've been using my ears for over 40 years and that's good enough for me. I'm awaiting the arrival of a set of silver plated MS Audio plugs and will give them a go with this cable. I will let you know how I get on. Congrats on the new forum job BTW. I'm sure Oli will be paying much more on here than on other forums
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Post by optical on Dec 13, 2021 12:09:01 GMT
Thanks Chris, it's difficult to explain why one cable sounds better than another, even if you have the correct equipment to analyse them. I've been using my ears for over 40 years and that's good enough for me. I'm awaiting the arrival of a set of silver plated MS Audio plugs and will give them a go with this cable. I will let you know how I get on. Congrats on the new forum job BTW. I'm sure Oli will be paying much more on here than on other forums Haha, no doubt the payment will be at least equal . . . Oooo, silver plugs, now that could make a lot of sense there being silver involved in the construction of the cable . . . . . yaaarrrr der be silver in dem cables
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Post by brian2957 on Dec 13, 2021 12:28:53 GMT
Well, might be too much silver Chris, we'll see.
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