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Nov 23, 2021 11:04:19 GMT
Post by rich04 on Nov 23, 2021 11:04:19 GMT
Hi my name is Rich been messing around with hi-fi since the early 70s only use vinyl at the moment although i have tried streaming this yr tried many Dacs and have ended up with the Border Patrol one had it 8 months and been used 2 or 3 times may end up selling it. Trying some Tribute mono autoformers at the moment and i am very happy with them not sure yet if they will replace my maxed SJS Acadia yet.Look forward to looking around the site.
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Nov 23, 2021 11:16:42 GMT
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Post by pete on Nov 23, 2021 11:16:42 GMT
Welcome Rich. Good to have you here😁👍
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 23, 2021 11:29:59 GMT
Hi my name is Rich been messing around with hi-fi since the early 70s only use vinyl at the moment although i have tried streaming this yr tried many Dacs and have ended up with the Border Patrol one had it 8 months and been used 2 or 3 times may end up selling it. Trying some Tribute mono autoformers at the moment and i am very happy with them not sure yet if they will replace my maxed SJS Acadia yet.Look forward to looking around the site. Hi Rich, Welcome aboard! Feel free to dive straight in and resurrect any old threads you find of interest. I presume those Tribute autoformers were the ones for sale recently? |
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Post by rich04 on Nov 23, 2021 12:21:30 GMT
NO i had Tribute wind me some new ones.I was tempted to try the Dave Slagle silver ones but thought i try these first to see what i thought.
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Nov 23, 2021 12:28:43 GMT
Post by antonio on Nov 23, 2021 12:28:43 GMT
Welcome Rich, only messing since the early 70's, nice to see another 'young un' on here.  |
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Post by rich04 on Nov 24, 2021 9:30:20 GMT
Thanks for the welcomes.
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 25, 2021 23:33:55 GMT
NO i had Tribute wind me some new ones.I was tempted to try the Dave Slagle silver ones but thought i try these first to see what i thought. I thought tribute weren't doing DIY or single units anymore? Was this recent? |
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Nov 26, 2021 8:02:15 GMT
Post by rich04 on Nov 26, 2021 8:02:15 GMT
Yes i ordered a pair about 3 months ago. I think he has retired but if you e-mail him and ask nicely he will do small one offs, you have to wait took a while for him to do them but worth the wait.Trouble is it makes me wonder how good silver ones would be.Never happy are we!!
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 26, 2021 11:27:54 GMT
Yes i ordered a pair about 3 months ago. I think he has retired but if you e-mail him and ask nicely he will do small one offs, you have to wait took a while for him to do them but worth the wait.Trouble is it makes me wonder how good silver ones would be.Never happy are we!! Can I ask what sort of price they were? |
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Post by rich04 on Nov 26, 2021 11:56:22 GMT
390 EUROS for the pair that is with shipping + vat if you get caught (i was lucky).I must say they are worth it and cheaper then Slagle ones although Slagle have more steps so i would think the steps are closer together.
I am having a job to make up my mind between the autoformers and my maxed out SJS ARCADIA.
There was a stereo one on The Art of sound a while ago but the guy was asking nearly as much as i paid + i really wanted mono ones.
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 26, 2021 12:33:18 GMT
390 EUROS for the pair that is with shipping + vat if you get caught (i was lucky).I must say they are worth it and cheaper then Slagle ones although Slagle have more steps so i would think the steps are closer together. I am having a job to make up my mind between the autoformers and my maxed out SJS ARCADIA. There was a stereo one on The Art of sound a while ago but the guy was asking nearly as much as i paid + i really wanted mono ones. I had the Slagle autoformers and distinctly remember thinking they were good but lacked some bass control. However I have thought that about every TVC or Passive preamp I have ever used ....... |
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Nov 27, 2021 11:43:25 GMT
Post by rich04 on Nov 27, 2021 11:43:25 GMT
I have not found that if anything bass is tighter and cleaner as is every thing else.What i found is the Tributes show up bad recordings more than the SJS so if there is no bass or bad mid range and top end it is more clearly defined then with the SJS.
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 27, 2021 11:45:55 GMT
I have not found that if anything bass is tighter and cleaner as is every thing else.What i found is the Tributes show up bad recordings more than the SJS so if there is no bass or bad mid range and top end it is more clearly defined then with the SJS. Maybe I need to revisit with better quality windings |
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Nov 27, 2021 11:51:35 GMT
Post by antonio on Nov 27, 2021 11:51:35 GMT
Don't mess about Bigman, just get the latest NVA pre  |
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 28, 2021 0:20:43 GMT
Don't mess about Bigman, just get the latest NVA pre I don't think that's something I'll be considering somehow |
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Nov 28, 2021 3:16:48 GMT
Post by antonio on Nov 28, 2021 3:16:48 GMT
One day I'll be round at yours, you can then prove to me that my NVA stuff can be bettered by reasonably priced items |
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Nov 28, 2021 8:42:36 GMT
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Post by macca on Nov 28, 2021 8:42:36 GMT
NVA is reasonably priced at least comparatively.
I had the opportunity to compare the P90SA with lots of different pre amps both active and passive, including Slagle autoformer and Music First (the full-fat one not the baby). That's £900 against ten grand. It was never bettered by any of them, although on occasion there were slight differences.
With passives though you have to take into account matching with the power amp. The P90 was not always the best option with all power amp I have tried with it. Which is why I now use a DCB1. Better match for the Krell and I preferred the Krell to the NVA power amp. Probably because the NVA power was not the best option for my speakers. It's all interconnected that's why there's differences of opinion with these things.
Also why you should start with the speakers and work backwards.
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 28, 2021 8:51:56 GMT
NVA is reasonably priced at least comparatively. I had the opportunity to compare the P90SA with lots of different pre amps both active and passive, including Slagle autoformer and Music First (the full-fat one not the baby). That's £900 against ten grand. It was never bettered by any of them, although on occasion there were slight differences. With passives though you have to take into account matching with the power amp. The P90 was not always the best option with all power amp I have tried with it. Which is why I now use a DCB1. Better match for the Krell and I preferred the Krell to the NVA power amp. Probably because the NVA power was not the best option for my speakers. It's all interconnected that's why there's differences of opinion with these things. Also why you should start with the speakers and work backwards. , macca is quite right about passives and the importance of matching them to power amps. I'm not criticizing the NVA preamp, I just wouldn't swap the BT2 for anything I've heard, which also includes TVCs, Goldpoint passive, valve pres....etc. I have a diy passive pre in my system now as my BT2 is off for a home demo and even though I've built it to match the 686, it's Sh#t in comparison to the BT2. Been around this block a few times. |
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Post by macca on Nov 28, 2021 10:03:45 GMT
two biggest audiophile myths
1 - price equals performance
2 - One size fits all
1- check out reviews on ASR and other places where they actually test the units and do teardowns. The expensive stuff often has worse performance and build quality. By build quality I don't mean how much aluminium is in the case or how flashy the remote control is.
2- The power amp must be comfortable with the load the speaker presents, the pre-amp must be fine with the impedance of the power amp and the source. These things are not trivial, they are the main drivers of good sound quality, along with using the best speakers you can afford/ fit in the room/ have good WAF
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2021 10:16:13 GMT
A lot of the ASR testing is flawed. I take what they post on there with a pinch of salt.
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Nov 28, 2021 10:38:15 GMT
Post by macca on Nov 28, 2021 10:38:15 GMT
A lot of the ASR testing is flawed. I take what they post on there with a pinch of salt. who says it's flawed? Other than people trying to sell overpriced tat? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2021 10:42:04 GMT
They never listen (well hardly ever) to the equipment.
Some tests are not done with the correct settings (Apparently).
Just because it measures well, it does not mean it sounds good.
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Post by rich04 on Nov 28, 2021 11:01:23 GMT
Bigbottle shame your not closer been happy to lend them to you for a few days.
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Nov 28, 2021 11:04:59 GMT
Post by macca on Nov 28, 2021 11:04:59 GMT
They never listen (well hardly ever) to the equipment. Some tests are not done with the correct settings (Apparently). Just because it measures well, it does not mean it sounds good. He does sometimes listen but that's not the primary purpose, as they repeatedly say, you can read a subjective review elsewhere if that's what your after. Some of the tests have been flawed, anytime that has happened it is immediately pulled up by the membership and the test re-done. There are some very knowledgeable members there, some of whom are at the forefront of their academic fields. Not much gets past them if anything. If it measures well it will almost certainly be transparent. So it will faithfully relay the sound of the recording. If you are the sort of person who wants to hear the sound of the recording and not the sound of the equipment then you are sorted. I accept that is not everyone. Conversely if it measures poorly then it still may be transparent to the signal - this is the point that is missed by many people who don't really understand the link between measurements and audibility. The old 'But I have one of these and it sounds fine to me' protest. Yes it probably does sound fine because ears are not analyzers and so can't tell the any difference between distortion at 0.1% and distortion at 0.001% ASR tends to assume that the readership understand that. But many don't. So the five grand DAC with terribly measurements will sound the same as the £150 DAC with superb measurements. The point ASR makes is that there's no point in shelling out the extra £4850. |
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Nov 28, 2021 11:40:40 GMT
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Post by lurch on Nov 28, 2021 11:40:40 GMT
Hi and welcome Rich.
I notice from your ribbon tweeter advert that your in Chichester, the same as me. I live about a minutes walk from the 3 Chesnuts, in the Hornet.
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Nov 28, 2021 13:26:08 GMT
Post by rich04 on Nov 28, 2021 13:26:08 GMT
Hi Lurch thanks for the welcome.I live the other end Fishbourne.
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Nov 28, 2021 13:32:42 GMT
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Post by lurch on Nov 28, 2021 13:32:42 GMT
Hi Lurch thanks for the welcome.I live the other end Fishbourne. Yep know it quite well, my Aunt used to live in Blackboy Lane, I actually visited the field where the Roman Palace is with my Aunt & Uncle a few weeks after they found it in the late 60s, was only a 30 foot square hole in the ground at the time. |
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Nov 29, 2021 3:27:09 GMT
Post by antonio on Nov 29, 2021 3:27:09 GMT
NVA is reasonably priced at least comparatively. I had the opportunity to compare the P90SA with lots of different pre amps both active and passive, including Slagle autoformer and Music First (the full-fat one not the baby). That's £900 against ten grand. It was never bettered by any of them, although on occasion there were slight differences. With passives though you have to take into account matching with the power amp. The P90 was not always the best option with all power amp I have tried with it. Which is why I now use a DCB1. Better match for the Krell and I preferred the Krell to the NVA power amp. Probably because the NVA power was not the best option for my speakers. It's all interconnected that's why there's differences of opinion with these things. Also why you should start with the speakers and work backwards. Horses for courses, I would love to hear your Krell one day and I'm sure the DCB1 is a good match. I've told you before, the P90SA I purchased from you was upgraded by NVA and it was a nice improvement in transparency, they also corrected the case work foc  |
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Post by Bigman80 on Nov 29, 2021 8:24:57 GMT
Bigbottle shame your not closer been happy to lend them to you for a few days. I'd have enjoyed that! Not to worry, I am sure some will cross my path again. |
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