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Post by macca on May 3, 2022 19:28:36 GMT
according to your link the max power handling is 150 watts. They recommend 60 watts or more.
I'd still get that Neurochrome if I were you though. Very cheap for what you're getting.
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Post by ijrussell on May 3, 2022 20:03:16 GMT
I'm guessing this www.ebay.co.uk/itm/134028197555?hash=item1f34b3feb3:g:dVUAAOSwBkZiD3nYis identical to yours? (I'll have to cross-check....) I'm looking at getting it. My new speakers run at 85db inefficient and are recommended amps of 150 watt per. Up to now, my amps/speakers have been Pass F3 level, so I'm learning high-watt as I go. This seems to fit my needs. Your comments definitely help! Off to make sure the eBay one matches yours.....
oh, speakers are
Diptyque DP77
Yes, they will be pretty much the same. The only differences I see are that mine has two sets of speaker posts and the main boards are aligned differently with the one on ebay having the output chips against the case heatsink. If you need power, they are a great choice. |
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Post by antonio on May 4, 2022 8:31:05 GMT
Joe the builder has a very good reputation and I believe that has been mentioned before on this forum, love the look of your speakers, never heard of them before.
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Post by hornucopia on May 4, 2022 13:18:09 GMT
I thought it'd be the same Joe.
Now I'm caught between Neurochromes and a rarely seen Berning ZH270 (less watts but delicious)
Though I could stick with my Hafler DH200......
I'm the same re diptyques. Only recently discovered them, but i like Isodynamic 'phones so this is same concept. The P77s are approx same size as Quad 57s.
The 77s are right for my 10 x 15' space.
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Post by antonio on May 4, 2022 16:20:57 GMT
I've seen that Berning for sale, wish I could afford it  |
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Post by hornucopia on May 5, 2022 12:11:24 GMT
I guess it's a case of 'strike while the iron is hot' regarding the Berning, as they are seldom seen.
(isn't it interesting working out the origins of phraes like this? Blacksmith reference...)
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Post by macca on May 5, 2022 12:20:30 GMT
I'd still go for the Neurochrome if I were you. If you want to change speakers again in the future you won't need to worry about the amp being able to drive them. You can get anything you want and be confident that the Neuro will get the best out of them.
Also it doesn't have a sound of its own. Much as I like OTL valve amps they aren't totally neutral. Plus they are less likely to be reliable long term. And then there's the cost of replacing valves.
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Post by hifinutt on May 5, 2022 16:53:09 GMT
wise advice
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Post by antonio on May 5, 2022 17:50:09 GMT
Neurochrome's are popping up all the time, Berning's are not, and if it's a itch to scratch then go for it Horny.
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Post by Bigman80 on May 5, 2022 17:59:56 GMT
Buy valve amps if:
A: You love paying utterly ridiculous prices for valves.
B: You love Paying someone to repair the absolutely mandatory fail they will suffer.
C: You love restricting the speakers you can use with it.
D: You love paying for electricity at a time when it's the most expensive per unit that it's ever been
E: You love the hum that every valve amp either comes with or develops through seeming just being used.
Buy a 686 if:
A: You want the best amplifier you are likely to ever be able to afford (options available, but debatable as to whether they are better sonically)
B: You want absolutely reliable, unyielding consistency. No degradation of the performance or SQ due to 50year old valves wearing out.
C: You love having the flexibility to lamp any speakers on the back end of it, without having a single concern in the world.
D: You want to be able to listen to music in the summer without having to sit there in your budgie smugglers absorbing water at 5L per hour to stay alive.
😉
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Post by antonio on May 5, 2022 18:02:46 GMT
@bigman That of course is your head over your heart, and when have you done that?
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Post by sq225917 on May 5, 2022 18:13:55 GMT
It's just the sensible choice. £ per watt, durability, versatility, longevity, and it's lack of imposing itself on the music. If you want a bit of hair on your shirt thetes plenty of valves pres you can use.
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Post by karma67 on May 5, 2022 18:15:30 GMT
Buy valve amps if: A: You love paying utterly ridiculous prices for valves. B: You love Paying someone to repair the absolutely mandatory fail they will suffer. C: You love restricting the speakers you can use with it. D: You love paying for electricity at a time when it's the most expensive per unit that it's ever been E: You love the hum that every valve amp either comes with or develops through seeming just being used. Buy a 686 if: A: You want the best amplifier you are likely to ever be able to afford (options available, but debatable as to whether they are better sonically) B: You want absolutely reliable, unyielding consistency. No degradation of the performance or SQ due to 50year old valves wearing out. C: You love having the flexibility to lamp any speakers on the back end of it, without having a single concern in the world. D: You want to be able to listen to music in the summer without having to sit there in your budgie smugglers absorbing water at 5L per hour to stay alive. 😉 remind me why your called bigbottle audio? lol |
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Post by Bigman80 on May 5, 2022 18:31:36 GMT
[/quote]remind me why your called bigbottle audio? lol
[/quote]Valve phonostages.
Different beasts.
Lower voltages means very little heat.
Deliberately chosen valve types to provide high SQ but with little cost for the valves. TFK PCC88 were £6 each back when we started.
HQ PCB builds for consistency, reliability and SQ. No P2P.
Self biasing and NO degrading of the RIAA response due to valve aging. Unlike a certain £8k valve phonostage I could mention.
We don't make valve amps because of all the reasons I mentioned above.
A HYBRID amplifier is absolutely fine BTW, due to the stability of the SS parts.
See the still perfectly performing FB-Monos still in use at Andy's. Never serviced, never biased, never developed hum.
Valve amps are a PITA.
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Post by robbiegong on May 5, 2022 18:39:45 GMT
Buy valve amps if: A: You love paying utterly ridiculous prices for valves. B: You love Paying someone to repair the absolutely mandatory fail they will suffer. C: You love restricting the speakers you can use with it. D: You love paying for electricity at a time when it's the most expensive per unit that it's ever been E: You love the hum that every valve amp either comes with or develops through seeming just being used. Buy a 686 if: A: You want the best amplifier you are likely to ever be able to afford (options available, but debatable as to whether they are better sonically) B: You want absolutely reliable, unyielding consistency. No degradation of the performance or SQ due to 50year old valves wearing out. C: You love having the flexibility to lamp any speakers on the back end of it, without having a single concern in the world. D: You want to be able to listen to music in the summer without having to sit there in your budgie smugglers absorbing water at 5L per hour to stay alive. 😉 686 continued; E. prefer a neutral platform over colour, warm - bloom signature ....... |
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Post by hornucopia on May 9, 2022 13:05:37 GMT
....stick with Hafler DH 200 for now......
have a NORD NC500 DM Mk 1 in reserve.....I await varying scorn?
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Post by Bigman80 on May 9, 2022 13:34:37 GMT
....stick with Hafler DH 200 for now...... have a NORD NC500 DM Mk 1 in reserve.....I await varying scorn? No scorn. They are decent amplifiers. |
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Post by brucew268 on May 9, 2022 14:02:05 GMT
Buy valve amps if: A: You love paying utterly ridiculous prices for valves. B: You love Paying someone to repair the absolutely mandatory fail they will suffer. C: You love restricting the speakers you can use with it. D: You love paying for electricity at a time when it's the most expensive per unit that it's ever been E: You love the hum that every valve amp either comes with or develops through seeming just being used. Buy a 686 if: A: You want the best amplifier you are likely to ever be able to afford (options available, but debatable as to whether they are better sonically) B: You want absolutely reliable, unyielding consistency. No degradation of the performance or SQ due to 50year old valves wearing out. C: You love having the flexibility to lamp any speakers on the back end of it, without having a single concern in the world. D: You want to be able to listen to music in the summer without having to sit there in your budgie smugglers absorbing water at 5L per hour to stay alive. 😉 686 continued; E. prefer a neutral platform over colour, warm - bloom signature ....... Adding a clarification, rather than an argument. Over the years I've heard so many people call 'neutral' a component that I thought was a bit cool in tone or even slightly hard in character, so much so that it is now the first thing I think of when someone says 'neutral' and 'uncoloured'. But I do think the 686 is rather neutral, not cool, and yet very musically engaging. If there is any micro-shading of tone at all it would be slightly toward the warm rather than cool side. That together with its transparency allows the other components to have their character shine through. |
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Post by Bigman80 on May 9, 2022 16:47:39 GMT
I am struggling to describe it other than to say its "honest and truthful without being clinical and sterile"
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Post by sq225917 on May 9, 2022 17:10:50 GMT
If anything, it's a little lacking texture in the bass but only a tiny bit against the best I've heard.
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Post by misterc on May 9, 2022 17:15:28 GMT
I am struggling to describe it other than to say its "honest and truthful without being clinical and sterile" If it pleases the court M'Lud I present Exhibit 'A' to the Jury of Naimies, as M'Leanred colleague for the defence will no dobut attempt to rebuke, "Sailsbury is not the one true path to musical enlightnement", "simply demonstrating to the great unwashed that claiming the position of 'A fully paid up memeber of the whippet thrashers & toe tappers club' does not automatically garantee a place at the table of Staint Julian of Vereker, more over claiming to be the owner of a musical system.
The case for the prosocution rests M' Lud
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Post by Bigman80 on May 9, 2022 17:32:40 GMT
If anything, it's a little lacking texture in the bass but only a tiny bit against the best I've heard. Was that in your own system or elsewhere? I can see what you're getting at as that little class D I have is rather taut and punchy. The 686 doesn't do it like that, but then the class D doesn't do what the 686 does everywhere else. I'd like to try a Purifi. |
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Post by misterc on May 9, 2022 17:49:04 GMT
I'd like to try a Purifi.
It's uses Bruno's new idea, it has improved it by a respetcable margin, but its still a hypex that's enough for myself to leave it well alone.
I have two of them at the moment, one DIY unit and one I was asked to build.
The newer GaN style FET's will change things within a few years, still not quite right for myself but they are able to achieve a lot right with careful use of board layout and PSU.
There are new fangled ideas currently being worked on that really will change the way audio will be marketed and sold and not just in a single area, but the whole concept of stereo will be challanged seriously its quite different and odd, however it really delivers that being immursed feeling that I have only genuinelly listened to in the last 20 years in three systems.
Oh and it will be available at a very accessable cost Vs performance.
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Post by sq225917 on May 9, 2022 20:17:18 GMT
Oli, in my system, at mrdogs with his 989s plus subs vs the Benchmark ahb and at rich's vs his Halcro dm88s. They lost out more than a bit to the halcro's.
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Post by Bigman80 on May 9, 2022 20:29:19 GMT
Oli, in my system, at mrdogs with his 989s plus subs vs the Benchmark ahb and at rich's vs his Halcro dm88s. They lost out more than a bit to the halcro's. Did they really? Oh wow. Edit....just looked at the Halcro......who on Earth is affording one of those 🤣 Fabulous looking beasts though. |
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Post by brucew268 on May 9, 2022 21:09:10 GMT
I'd like to try a Purifi.
It's uses Bruno's new idea, it has improved it by a respetcable margin, but its still a hypex that's enough for myself to leave it well alone.
I have two of them at the moment, one DIY unit and one I was asked to build.
The newer GaN style FET's will change things within a few years, still not quite right for myself but they are able to achieve a lot right with careful use of board layout and PSU.
There are new fangled ideas currently being worked on that really will change the way audio will be marketed and sold and not just in a single area, but the whole concept of stereo will be challanged seriously its quite different and odd, however it really delivers that being immursed feeling that I have only genuinelly listened to in the last 20 years in three systems.
Oh and it will be available at a very accessable cost Vs performance.
You're talking about 'Atmos' format and 'immersive'? Is there an explainer that's not TLDR? Of course this is way off topic for this thread. |
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Post by sq225917 on May 10, 2022 0:39:59 GMT
Yeh, he's a day trader.
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Post by karma67 on May 10, 2022 2:53:34 GMT
Oli, in my system, at mrdogs with his 989s plus subs which sound immense i might add! |
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