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Post by stevew on Sept 17, 2021 14:18:38 GMT
So.. here is my basement/listening room. It’s been fantastic to regain it after my son moved out (he used it as an office) It’s around 5x4 metres and not really square.. but a very low ceiling that is pretty much spot on 6 foot Now since I fitted the Townshend bars under the stands I had to move them closer to the wall to get a bit more bass from the Technics SB-M300’s. They have a rear pointing bass unit covered by a panel. I use room correction on my Lyngdorf tdai2200, so been pretty satisfied with the sound. However.. I noticed something today that I’d never really noticed before. I stood up …whilst listening to a bit of vinyl and realised the bass was much more pronounced near the ceiling. Vocals and presentation were much nicer also. Mmmm.. So without buying a high chair to sit nearer the ceiling ..how do I get the same sound lower down from my chair? What’s going on? What am I doing wrong? Or more accurately what can I do to change the balance of sound in the room.? I’ve tried several tracks with the room correction turned off, and I still get the same phenomenon.  |
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 17, 2021 14:54:37 GMT
It may be that your position is in a certain frequency suckout, or it's actually spot on and there is a frequency node when you stand up
I would move those speakers towards the corners a little and try and deal with the first reflection. That may give you a bit more meat.
Alternatively, get bigger speakers?
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Post by macca on Sept 17, 2021 15:46:07 GMT
This is a total guess as room interaction is so complex but I would try EQing 200Hz to 400Hz up a bit compared to how you usually have it set.
From your description it may be you've got a boost in that area near the ceiling. Or a suck out in that area near the usual listening spot.
probably wrong but worth a try.
Otherwise time to get a USB mic, REW and take measurements.
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Post by stevew on Sept 17, 2021 16:07:19 GMT
Macca/Oliver.. many thanks.
It’s just odd because I’ve never noticed it before.
However, I will play around with speaker position if only for shits and giggles .. err as they say.
Interestingly enough discussion ongoing about new/bigger speakers.
Alchris (when he’s ready) and Heco’s on the list so far!
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 17, 2021 16:51:59 GMT
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Post by stevew on Sept 17, 2021 16:57:56 GMT
Well.. that worked! Moved them right out and nearer the walls. Maybe overcooked it’s a tad, but at least I can now see what was causing the issue. Sound a load more ‘spacious’ as well. Thank you. Still.. pretty sure some different speakers are called for.  |
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Post by macca on Sept 17, 2021 17:00:03 GMT
You could see if you could get the big Technics SBM, I always wanted to try them. Saw a pair for sale once years ago, but I didn't have the cash. They're pretty rare in UK.
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 17, 2021 17:02:20 GMT
Well.. that worked! Moved them right out and nearer the walls. Maybe overcooked it’s a tad, but at least I can now see what was causing the issue. Sound a load more ‘spacious’ as well. Thank you. Still.. pretty sure some different speakers are called for. Ah, excellent. Corners are great for that, but just have a play with them until you have it right. Speakers are a pain until you hit the sweet spot. |
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Post by macca on Sept 17, 2021 17:02:37 GMT
I'd stick a mat on the floor between you and the speakers, coffee table won't help either but I suppose that needs to be there. I live with mine, it's too handy.
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Post by stevew on Sept 17, 2021 17:03:08 GMT
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Post by stevew on Sept 17, 2021 17:06:14 GMT
I'd stick a mat on the floor between you and the speakers, coffee table won't help either but I suppose that needs to be there. I live with mine, it's too handy. Actually.. that’s an idea. Well not the table, but wonder if a rug underneath might help things. Son and wife watching bleedin ‘bake off’ upstairs… so it’s probs time to plonk a glass of red plonk on the table |
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 17, 2021 17:09:14 GMT
Thing is, Q Acoustic get ZERO respect from anywhere it seems. Same as the HECO, and you've heard those. I would suggest in a room your size, you could quite easily accommodate the 500's as I am doing so in a room far smaller with a floor like a bass reflex panel. For the extra £500, I know where I'd spend my money. The issue you have with something like the HECO GT702 is the low ceiling and hard surfaces. They go lower than people realise and that will bounce around the room. If you could contain them, I think they are superb VFM and would totally back you buying a pair. |
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Post by stevew on Sept 17, 2021 17:16:03 GMT
You could see if you could get the big Technics SBM, I always wanted to try them. Saw a pair for sale once years ago, but I didn't have the cash. They're pretty rare in UK. You are likely right. Never seen them for sale, or I would have gone for them. These SB M300’s are bloody brilliant. However.. I still can’t get the sound of those big Heco’s at Angus’s out of my brain. Must be wine o’clock. Plus Royal Mail have just told me they are delivering Buena Vista Social Club on vinyl in the morning. Happy days. |
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Post by stevew on Sept 17, 2021 17:25:05 GMT
Thing is, Q Acoustic get ZERO respect from anywhere it seems. Same as the HECO, and you've heard those. I would suggest in a room your size, you could quite easily accommodate the 500's as I am doing so in a room far smaller with a floor like a bass reflex panel. For the extra £500, I know where I'd spend my money. The issue you have with something like the HECO GT702 is the low ceiling and hard surfaces. They go lower than people realise and that will bounce around the room. If you could contain them, I think they are superb VFM and would totally back you buying a pair. Good point. All food for thought. Mind you, just stuck on Dead can Dance ‘Into the Labyrinth’ Sounds epic. Maybe I’ll just spend spare money on a new phono stage. Now where the hell am I gonna get one of those? 🤪🤪🤣🤣🤣 |
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 17, 2021 17:26:05 GMT
Thing is, Q Acoustic get ZERO respect from anywhere it seems. Same as the HECO, and you've heard those. I would suggest in a room your size, you could quite easily accommodate the 500's as I am doing so in a room far smaller with a floor like a bass reflex panel. For the extra £500, I know where I'd spend my money. The issue you have with something like the HECO GT702 is the low ceiling and hard surfaces. They go lower than people realise and that will bounce around the room. If you could contain them, I think they are superb VFM and would totally back you buying a pair. Good point. All food for thought. Mind you, just stuck on Dead can Dance ‘Into the Labyrinth’ Sounds epic. Maybe I’ll just spend spare money on a new phono stage. Now where the hell am I gonna get one of those? 🤪🤪🤣🤣🤣 🤣🤣 I wonder |
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Post by macca on Sept 17, 2021 19:51:36 GMT
Thing is, Q Acoustic get ZERO respect from anywhere it seems. Same as the HECO, and you've heard those. I would suggest in a room your size, you could quite easily accommodate the 500's as I am doing so in a room far smaller with a floor like a bass reflex panel. For the extra £500, I know where I'd spend my money. The issue you have with something like the HECO GT702 is the low ceiling and hard surfaces. They go lower than people realise and that will bounce around the room. If you could contain them, I think they are superb VFM and would totally back you buying a pair. The Lyngdorf amp has room correction so no issue with bass from the Heco or any other speaker. Must say I've never seen a bad review from anyone on Q Acoustics. But until fairly recently they only did cheaper speakers, when you go into the higher levels it's a different ballgame, lots of competition at £3K. |
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Post by stevew on Sept 17, 2021 20:28:32 GMT
Thing is, Q Acoustic get ZERO respect from anywhere it seems. Same as the HECO, and you've heard those. I would suggest in a room your size, you could quite easily accommodate the 500's as I am doing so in a room far smaller with a floor like a bass reflex panel. For the extra £500, I know where I'd spend my money. The issue you have with something like the HECO GT702 is the low ceiling and hard surfaces. They go lower than people realise and that will bounce around the room. If you could contain them, I think they are superb VFM and would totally back you buying a pair. The Lyngdorf amp has room correction so no issue with bass from the Heco or any other speaker. Must say I've never seen a bad review from anyone on Q Acoustics. But until fairly recently they only did cheaper speakers, when you go into the higher levels it's a different ballgame, lots of competition at £3K. I didn’t say a ‘bad review’… just like this one that doesn’t cover it with praise and says there is better around. Another YouTube by a couple of Canadians (I think) also damns it with faint praise. However at the same time I respect this guy.. |
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Post by Bigman80 on Sept 17, 2021 21:10:38 GMT
The Lyngdorf amp has room correction so no issue with bass from the Heco or any other speaker. Must say I've never seen a bad review from anyone on Q Acoustics. But until fairly recently they only did cheaper speakers, when you go into the higher levels it's a different ballgame, lots of competition at £3K. I didn’t say a ‘bad review’… just like this one that doesn’t cover it with praise and says there is better around. Another YouTube by a couple of Canadians (I think) also damns it with faint praise. However at the same time I respect this guy.. From what I've seen, the Q Acoustics are not gonna be favoured by Canadians, or Americans. They are after a while different sound. The Germans love the Heco's and they love the Q Acoustics. You could buy a pair of 3050i for a little more tha. Beer money and see how you get on with them. They are (I am told) like the 500's, just with a little less everything. |
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Post by antonio on Sept 18, 2021 2:06:47 GMT
When I read the op I thought, 'how the f--k are you gonna sort that out', so well done everyone involved
Suggestion re new speakers, have you thought of omni directional, just looked on ebay but can't find anything suitable
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Post by stevew on Sept 18, 2021 6:09:33 GMT
When I read the op I thought, 'how the f--k are you gonna sort that out', so well done everyone involved Suggestion re new speakers, have you thought of omni directional, just looked on ebay but can't find anything suitable It’s an interesting thought, but like you say there ain’t a lot around. The issue really has been caused by the structure of my Technics speakers as you can see below. Inevitably if you get them too close to a wall that rear firing driver is going to do something. Just surprised me that I hadn’t noticed what the effect was in a seat position… but it was really pronounced as you got closer to the ceiling. I’ll have to watch out for rear ports I guess as well… but it shouldn’t be as distinct as I’ve got with these.  |
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