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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 6, 2018 12:16:16 GMT
I like the idea of modding speakers. It’s something most people can tackle and so is a good way to get more involve with your system. One speaker I’d like to have a go at improving is the MA352. Its a really generous box size and sounds pretty decent as stock. Big cabinet side walls though, so clear,y room fir damping. Also a very common tweeter that could easily be swapped out for a better one and sold on. The MA crossovers are nothing special, so clearly room for some improvements there. The wiring too is an easy thing to address, whilst you’re at it. I had harboured thoughts of laying three pairs of these sideways and wiring them together for a really big speaker. One day maybe. At least the price wouldn’t be a deal breaker. www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rare-Vintage-Monitor-Audio-R352-Audiophile-Quality-Main-Stereo-HiFi-Speakers/132692443905?hash=item1ee5160301:g:iH8AAOSw7UZbPz8aAnyone else interested in modding speakers? What would you try and what would you do to them?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2018 12:50:25 GMT
Obvious upgrade candidates are the Celestion speakers that feature versions of the HF1300 tweeter. This tweeter has no output above around 13.5kHz, so each model would benefit from a supertweeter, as per B&W DM4 and Spendor/Rogers and IMF models.
This could be in a pod placed on top of the existing speaker and connected to the existing terminals on the speaker in question.
As the HF1300 has a near vertical cut-off just above 13kHz, the supertweeter may probably be best introduced via a steep filter, say third order or higher.
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Post by dsjr on Jul 6, 2018 16:03:49 GMT
Many so called super-tweeters come in at a very audible 8 - 9kHz. My Spendors wire the Coles super tweeter out of phase to try to minimise the 13k peak most HF1300's seem to have. Bloody good tweeter in its pass band though...
Many cheap speakers have insubstantial boxes that could possibly be improved. The 352 may be one that's ok as-is, so please don't just assume that because it's big it MUST be altered. One or two well liked speakers may benefit from modern tweeters though (the Gale 301 was one old whistler when heard near-field and the hole in the centre of the dome actually made it slightly worse! - nice bass and mids though when new)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2018 16:37:52 GMT
I thought I would try ripping the stuffing out of my speakers as recommended by some.
Well I can assure you I re-stuffed them pronto.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2018 17:07:11 GMT
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Post by macca on Jul 6, 2018 17:25:08 GMT
Agree with Dave the cab is where to start. That's where a lot of the makers cut costs, and they don't want it too heavy because it costs more to ship.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2018 17:34:01 GMT
S. It was no laughing matter Shane, imagine if you will 3 Tom Cats chucked in an ikea ottoman then kicked down the stairs........Bloody woeful racket.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 6, 2018 17:42:39 GMT
I thought I would try ripping the stuffing out of my speakers as recommended by some. Well I can assure you I re-stuffed them pronto. It’s definitely not a cure-all and IME it can offer as many drawbacks as it does benefits. Personally I’d favour looking at the type of stuffing and the amount in most cases, rather than just ripping it out. I don’t like the solid foam blocks in large quantities, but that’s just based on my dabbling. Less of that would be a good start. I have liked the effects of mass -damping cabinet walls though. It always seems to go hand in hand with removing all stuffing, but the two don’t need to be linked. You can always put some or all the stuffing back. I’ve tried doped and undoped drivers, which also seem to go with this territory. A narrow doping ring near the cone centre can work, but spreading loads of goo all over a driver is a sonic killer to me. Anyone in any doubt should just buy a few Royds. The ones with the most goo are the worst. Try taking a Minstrel and fitting undoped drivers. It’s so much better it’s not funny. I’ve had other doped/undoped experiences and they always tell me doping lowers efficiency and makes the drive unit slower and more lethargic in its response. Just my thoughts. YMMV and I encourage anyone who is interested to try for themselves. It was fun for me and I hope it is for you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2018 17:47:51 GMT
I'm with you on that one Andrew.
Dopings for dopes.
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Post by dsjr on Jul 6, 2018 17:57:31 GMT
I'm with you on that one Andrew. Dopings for dopes. Ummm - your LS3/5A's have doped bass units and painted tweeters (the black colour on the T27 was a spray paint from Halfords according to an old tale...) the Spendor BC and original SP1/SP2 drivers were also heavily doped (mine have the brush marks on both sides of the cone) and what about ATC? They made a mass production success out of well doped cloth domes!!!!!
I'm ignoring the real reason for your last sentence though, but it works well on the donor drivers used!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2018 18:06:19 GMT
Thanks for that Dave, I am quite aware my LS3s are doped, I suspect many manufacturers speakers are.
I was more on about nipping out buying a tin of ronseal and slapping on the varnish on the slim chance of gaining an improvement.
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Post by dsjr on Jul 6, 2018 18:27:21 GMT
Thanks for that Dave, I am quite aware my LS3s are doped, I suspect many manufacturers speakers are. I was more on about nipping out buying a tin of ronseal and slapping on the varnish on the slim chance of gaining an improvement. Actually, it's Bison Kit and Plastidip to taste, but I shan't go there
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2018 18:32:47 GMT
Best not......😇
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Post by savvypaul on Jul 6, 2018 18:36:00 GMT
My speakers have no stuffing, no crossover, acrylic cabs and doped drivers. They sound bloody marvellous...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2018 18:46:09 GMT
My speakers have stuffing, crossovers, wooden cabs and undoped drivers. They sound bloody Marvellous too.
Strange that.😁
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Post by savvypaul on Jul 6, 2018 18:51:48 GMT
Whatever floats your boat. Listen without prejudice to as much different stuff as you can, try different things, develop your knowledge, go for what suits you.
Which speakers are you using, Rupert?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2018 19:32:24 GMT
S. It was no laughing matter Shane, imagine if you will 3 Tom Cats chucked in an ikea ottoman then kicked down the stairs........Bloody woeful racket. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!! S.
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Post by Bigman80 on Jul 6, 2018 20:30:13 GMT
Agree with Dave the cab is where to start. That's where a lot of the makers cut costs, and they don't want it too heavy because it costs more to ship. Definitely a good place to start IMO for those very reasons.
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