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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 8:42:48 GMT
Specifically relating to speaker cables. Is there really any audible difference between LGC and OCC?
Would some 4mm or 6mm Van Damme HiFi speaker cable be sufficient for my system, or will some thinner gauge OCC be better? Has anybody done a direct comparison?
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Post by sq225917 on May 1, 2021 9:20:36 GMT
You can rest easy knowing they didn't use pocc to find the Higgs Boson.
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Post by Bigman80 on May 1, 2021 9:41:32 GMT
You can rest easy knowing they didn't use pocc to find the Higgs Boson. You don't have to listen to a Higgs Boson
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Post by rexton on May 1, 2021 17:49:31 GMT
I don't use anything fancy. Used Van Damme blue 6mm for ages. I've found better results with bigger gauge wire, I'm currently using billy no-name 10mm gauge which is about as big as I can stuff in my binding posts.
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Post by antonio on May 1, 2021 23:35:26 GMT
I'll show my ignorance, what the f--k is LGC.
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Post by Bigman80 on May 2, 2021 6:20:53 GMT
I'll show my ignorance, what the f--k is LGC. Long grain copper. Sits between OFC and OCC in quality. OCC is still the one to buy IMO.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2021 6:23:36 GMT
Long Grain Copper, it’s a bit like rice.
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Post by macca on May 2, 2021 6:36:52 GMT
Uncle Ben's speaker cable.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2021 6:39:13 GMT
If all works out, then I will have a decent set of speaker cables for €75. If it does not, then I will have wasted €50
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Post by antonio on May 2, 2021 9:27:44 GMT
Long Grain Copper, it’s a bit like rice. You wouldn't want it stuck between your teeth though.
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Post by antonio on May 2, 2021 9:36:28 GMT
If all works out, then I will have a decent set of speaker cables for €75. If it does not, then I will have wasted €50 And if it doesn't don't forget that Acoustic Revive I linked to earlier also someone on pfm was very happy with his home made cables using this:- www.ebay.co.uk/itm/283755394842
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2021 16:49:08 GMT
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Post by Bigman80 on May 3, 2021 17:30:09 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2021 18:10:48 GMT
It is also a biwired cable used in a normal wiring configuration. It seems quite expensive for an old cable though.
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Post by firebottle on May 3, 2021 18:19:23 GMT
Bidirectional cable used in a normal wiring configuration?
Really not sure what you mean by this Kevin. All speaker cables are 'bidirectional' as the signal passing through is alternating.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2021 18:42:07 GMT
Bidirectional cable used in a normal wiring configuration? Really not sure what you mean by this Kevin. All speaker cables are 'bidirectional' as the signal passing through is alternating. Sorry Alan. Corrected the autocorrect. It is basically two runs of cable for each speaker.
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Post by Bigman80 on May 3, 2021 20:18:07 GMT
It is also a biwired cable used in a normal wiring configuration. It seems quite expensive for an old cable though. It is expensive because it's "wireworld" There's a lot of Bulk cable out there, K. Not sure why you haven't pulled the trigger on anything yet.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2021 20:22:35 GMT
I have, just saw this and thought it might be interesting. The Taiwanese OCC is on the way.
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Post by antonio on May 3, 2021 20:27:08 GMT
How old do you think the cable is, do you need bi-wire Cagey, if so 400 euros isn't a bad price for OCC. Just out of curiosity, if you were making your own bi-wire speaker cable, would you use stranded copper and split the strands in half at the speaker end, one for high and one for low?
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Post by Bigman80 on May 4, 2021 6:05:15 GMT
Some info from Yarbo:
OCC process is a hot-mold continuous casting process, with the traditional continuous casting the biggest difference is the use of heated mold, rather than the traditional water-cooled mold. The temperature of the inner wall of the mold is kept above the solidification temperature of the cast metal so that the metal will not solidify and crystallize from the mold wall when it is solidified but will be solidified in a unidirectional direction along the casting direction outside the mold opening. OCC materials are characterized by unidirectional crystallization or single crystal structure, less internal segregation, low impurity and electronic signal with high fidelity.
Purity and structure
From simple electrolytic copper, progress to oxygen free copper OFC, large crystalline oxygen free copper LCOFC, and today's single crystal copper OCC, after all, what is the relationship between these materials and the wire? We can say that there are three elements that affect the sound performance of the wire, namely, the material, the insulation and the coating, together with the structure of the wire. In the material section, over the years, designers have been totally focused on the improvement of material purity and the improvement of the crystal structure.
OCC advantages
When the impurities between the copper crystal and the crystal are concentrated, it is a very bad phenomenon. When the crystal is huge, not only the number of crystals but also the amount of impurities are relatively reduced. From the viewpoint of electron mobility, the amount of impurities in the crystal decreases , The movement of electrons is less obstructive, the arrangement of atoms is more regular, and the transmission of electronic signals is very favorable. Well, a crystal of OCC can be as long as more than one hundred meters, which is equal to the acoustic wire only uses one crystal only. Although OCC has many benefits, only a handful of high-priced products are willing to use OCC, the vast majority are still based on OFC materials.
YARBO AUDIOPHILE ® 2007 OCC series of new wire, made of OCC pure copper wire, the structure specially designed with low capacitance, low inductance, low resistance and low skin effect and other physical, the sound performance is very The noble Naite, clear and transparent, the purity of amazing, but the bass is not too light, low volume, balance is in place. 100% multi-layer shield-covered woven insulation layer outside the installation of strong filter magnetic ring, which can effectively isolate all kinds of foreign noise dry together, together with the new design of the Ya-Po plug, and the use of special wiring, not only very easy to use and This completely blocks the slightest amount of noise mixed in through the wires, leaving the music background still alive with space, overtones and full-fledged reproduction of the fax, making it an ideal choice for high-class enthusiasts.
Reminder: When using OCC single crystal copper series wire, be careful not to bend the wire sharply to avoid crystal breakage affecting the sound!
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2021 13:56:43 GMT
How old do you think the cable is, do you need bi-wire Cagey, if so 400 euros isn't a bad price for OCC. Just out of curiosity, if you were making your own bi-wire speaker cable, would you use stranded copper and split the strands in half at the speaker end, one for high and one for low? It seems that the cable was released around 2008 (based on a review). They now manufacture the Elipse 8. I don't need bi-wire, and these are not.
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Post by antonio on May 4, 2021 13:57:19 GMT
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