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Post by Bigman80 on May 1, 2018 16:25:34 GMT
What a gorgeous example! Whilst I love the Farlowe era Exposure, I reckon I'd be partial to Tony Brady's stuff too. He was at Onix at one stage and I really like their amps. Im getting like you and shying away from pre/power combos. I don't need lots of power and I like the simplicity.
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Post by pauld on May 2, 2018 16:38:24 GMT
Recently I bought a Belles Aria integrated. It’s a massive and I mean huge upgrade on my previous Exposure XVII & XVIII pre/power combo which are now for sale.
I bought it ex-demo from Coherent Systems, and the owner, Tony had upgraded the power supply, so even better.
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Post by Bigman80 on May 2, 2018 17:02:01 GMT
Recently I bought a Belles Aria integrated. It’s a massive and I mean huge upgrade on my previous Exposure XVII & XVIII pre/power combo which are now for sale. I bought it ex-demo from Coherent Systems, and the owner, Tony had upgraded the power supply, so even better. That's you and Martin T running Belles amps. I haven't heard one although I've toyed with older models on the used market. There are lots of things Exoosure amps don't really do, so I can imagine how a more modern amp would outstrip it.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2018 23:54:19 GMT
Sorry for asking such a daft question. Did John Farlowe favour having a forward bright sound signature?
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Post by Bigman80 on May 3, 2018 5:53:39 GMT
Sorry for asking such a daft question. Did John Farlowe favour having a forward bright sound signature? S. Ive never really thougt of Exposure as bright, but DSJR usually seems to find my tastes bright, so maybe it is. We discussed this by chance just recently and I said I liked a "fat bottom" which may distract my attention from the brightness. I'd definitelynsaynthe Exposure has that element in spades, especially the bigger amps.
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Post by antonio on May 3, 2018 11:53:10 GMT
Well I'm using an NVA P50/A60, and very happy with it.
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Post by pauld on May 3, 2018 14:21:27 GMT
John Farlowe favoured a fast and agile sound, which used with the wrong electronics is a tad bright, but not quite as bright as Naim.
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Post by Bigman80 on May 3, 2018 15:19:46 GMT
John Farlowe favoured a fast and agile sound, which used with the wrong electronics is a tad bright, but not quite as bright as Naim. I'd certainly agree that Naim can be brighter and also harder-sounding. I remember having an Exposure 3 & 4, a 62/Hi Cap/250 and a Linn LK1/280 all at the same time. Used with a Naim CDI and SBLs, the Exposures won by a good margin. Surprisingly the Linns just edged out the Naims to take 2nd, although the two were closer. The exposures just had more presence, weight, speed and life. The Naims sounded a bit coarse, distorted and shut in when compared. I like Naim amps and none of those traits were evident when listened in isolation. It was one of my most fun experiments though.
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Post by Bigman80 on May 3, 2018 15:28:17 GMT
Well I'm using an NVA P50/A60, and very happy with it. I had a P50 and A30 which was good. I then bought a pair of A40s and bi amped. The upgrade was significant and I was thrilled with the sound. I then went to 4 X A40s and it got slightly better again, which is saying something. That was with my Spicas. I then started using different speakers which weren't bi-wirable and took some driving. I went over to 2 A80s but they just didn't do anything for me. IIRC I had a Bryston amp and a Krell at this time and both were miles better. I ended up loving the Spicas so much I went back to them but the NVAs had all gone. I got some wonderful results from an Audion Sterlimg MK1 which was a 1 box job, looked beautiful and was a pleasure to use. No idea why I let that one go, but it's one of my deepest regrets. I've had later, much more expensive Audion's which were sonically amazing, but the magic of my first one wasn't quite matched.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2018 17:32:30 GMT
Recently acquired a Creek Evolution amp, very nice, best of the bunch I have tried lately Lots of power, grip, expression & involvement, blew a Nait 5i into touch, which surprised me a little.
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Post by Bigman80 on May 3, 2018 17:47:25 GMT
I have no experience of later Creeks, but all versions of the 4040 and 4140 are outstanding. I could very happily live with any one of them and never need to spend more. I'm assuming lots of their DNA still lives on in today's models.
Apologies to anyone who has heard me say it before but a Revolver turntable, Creek 4040 and tiny Alexander SE2 speakers were the most enjoyable sound at one Heathrow show I attended. Lots of kit there and almost every room had more expensive setups with bigger speakers. No room was as full as that one thigh and people stayed for much longer. I didn't want to leave. Some things just make music and all three of those products are prime examples.
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Post by dsjr on May 5, 2018 9:29:28 GMT
John Farlowe favoured a fast and agile sound, which used with the wrong electronics is a tad bright, but not quite as bright as Naim. I'd certainly agree that Naim can be brighter and also harder-sounding. I remember having an Exposure 3 & 4, a 62/Hi Cap/250 and a Linn LK1/280 all at the same time. Used with a Naim CDI and SBLs, the Exposures won by a good margin. Surprisingly the Linns just edged out the Naims to take 2nd, although the two were closer. The exposures just had more presence, weight, speed and life. The Naims sounded a bit coarse, distorted and shut in when compared. I like Naim amps and none of those traits were evident when listened in isolation. It was one of my most fun experiments though. Mornin'
Back in the early 80's, the then exposure amps were beefy and warmer in tone compared directly to the larger Naim amps of the CB era. Looking back, I'd say that the Farlowe era Exposures were more 'correct' in real terms as CB Naims can sound so harsh and relentless/exciting, depending on age and musical tastes... I think the Farlowe era preamps were probably the bottle-neck there, but can't confirm from this distance in time.
The original Linn LK1 and 2 to me, were Quads with balls. Just as band limited as a Quad (more so according to the Choice review) but able to drive Isobariks. The LK2 could overheat and blow output stages though if carelessly used and the LK2-75 update (re-designed around the output stage and piggy back components all over the nicely laid out original board) opened it out a bit. The preamp got better and more spacious too (not saying much as it lost so much), but Linn ruined the pair with the LK280 (seriously grainy, 'squeezed' and dirty sound) and the Dirak on the LK1 tended to make the sound forced and squeezed to our ears. The Kairn preamp when first launched was so much clearer I thought and the AV preamp set for stereo (5103?) even better I remember. The early Klouts weren't too nice, but by the end twenty years ago, they were rather good in isolation.
Just goes to show how basically awful these things were in my book..
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Post by Bigman80 on May 5, 2018 9:39:13 GMT
Some good descriptive words that also ring true for me, especially the Linns. LK1 and "squeezed" was very much the same for me, although I kinda liked that in an odd sort of way.. Madly, the LK1 worked amazingly well with a mk1 Krell KSA50. A mate tried it and I almost burst out laughing when he told me it was a great pairing. I came to use the same combo myself a bit later and I was smiling rather than laughing, I really liked the phono stage in the LK1 too. I'm not sure how correct it was but it sure entertained! I also liked the LK2 and 2/75 better than the 280 butnimthiughtnitbwas just me being contrary. Seems I should've trusted my ears! Really great to,see you here
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Post by dsjr on May 5, 2018 22:08:30 GMT
The main early listening I ever did to the mk1 Krell KSA50 was with DNM preamps at Jimmy H's place. A little cloudy perhaps, I don't know, but utterly 'comfortable' and no hardness or fatigue whatsoever. My favourite early Krell was the KSA80 model although thirty year of hot running would make existing samples knackered I reckon. By the end of the 80's, Linn had all but ruined their amp - too many add-ons as £500 upgrades, which they specialised in with the LP12 if you remember and the 90's saw many internal revisions on most of not all their electronic and digital products (three revisions of the Numerik in a year or so comes to mind, all of which altering the tonal quality a little too... By the end of the 90's, I thought the Karik/Numerik mk3 and the last issue Kairn/Klout were very good indeed, where early Klouts were again grainy and 'forced' somehow in sonics.
I suspect my stint with the Krell KSA50S wasn't as good as it could have been. Buying a Krell tends to force you to join a particular clique and mindset and I began to think that way myself - not having a penny to spend on increasing my membership.. The 50S was designed from the outset to be fully balanced, seemingly from the input itself and although phono sockets were provided, one had to put links in the XLR sockets to allow their use and Krell didn't recommend it. I used mine with a passive preamp and although it worked on a CD source and just about with an old tuner, the need was really for a balanced line driver at least, and preferably a Krell or coloured ARC preamp with balanced outputs costing a grand or more used. The cables I had wouldn't be judged good enough either, so hundreds more on transparent interconnects and VDH 'the Wind' speaker cables. The CD source, a Micro Seiki I've had since the early 90's, would be good enough but the turntable would be sniffed at by Ab Sounds fans - and so on and so on. See what these cliques can do to ones bank balance if allowed? Another step nearer to audio nirvana is only another (expensive) purchase away...
For the cost of a fancy interconnect or mains lead even, you could seriously consider an NVA, which being so simple and direct, just seems to give you what's there with no added embellishment or music taken away. I was late getting to know them, but I do appreciate the musical merits which are there in abundance and without sounding smooth and silky on the one hand, or 'exciting' and 'lively' on the other.
Back in the early to mid 70's when I started out seriously, I discovered Crown/Amcron 'D' series amps, which at the time were top end before the term was coined and with price tags to match. Forty five years later, domestically owned samples are still going strong and performing well still and I retain a very soft spot for them regardless. I don't expect anyone else to agree here, but impart as part of the thread subject.
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Post by Bigman80 on May 5, 2018 22:22:30 GMT
That's interesting about the KSA80s being past their sell by date. My mate raved about them and I bought one because of it. It wasn't a patch on the KSA50 and I wanted it gone. He snapped it up, and also thought it nothing special. Certainly nothing like he remembered. I'm now guessing it was probably in need to a service even though it appeared to work perfectly.
I have never tried any Crown/Amcron amps but I'm sure I will before I'm done. Just seen a nice looking Nikko on EBay for just £300. Looks a good buy on paper but again I'm not really clued up enough to know. It was an Alpha 440.
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Post by dsjr on May 5, 2018 22:41:45 GMT
You may not like the Crown D amps and I'm hot and cold over an original D-150 right now, despite loving my D-60's (the 150 can sound too straight-laced compared to the others for some reason)... A DC300A is on the bucket list and I hear and lust over one often - it's no better really today than a Quad 606mk2/707/909 etc but still, it weighs and looks the part... Back in 1974, nearly 200WPC made it an animal of an amp...
Regarding older Krell life, I'm going on how 'SQ' found at least one KSA250 he bought cheaply at fifteen years or so old. Knackered caps and internal damage due to overheating I seem to remember. The KSA80 when new was capable of good things if properly driven, but they're now around thirty years old so it's anyone's guess. The mid 90's 50S I had uses plateau biasing, where it'll idle cool up to half a watt or so, then go into middle bias (very warm if continuous at this level) and over five Watts or so, it switches into full-bias mode and cooks the thing on regulo 9! After a minute of no signal, the bias goes back down. I needed to use mine in a Arca cabinet and there wasn't enough ventilation, so it started to cook after ten minutes at medium bias level. I only used it twice this way for short sessions and sold it on because of the heat issue as I couldn't have it free standing. Tell you something though, despite the large mains transformer and huge supply caps, it ran absolutely silently! The bridged D-60's sound off like buzz saws a lot of the time (a known thing with them at UK voltages)
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2018 6:27:15 GMT
Recently acquired a Creek Evolution amp, very nice, best of the bunch I have tried lately Lots of power, grip, expression & involvement, blew a Nait 5i into touch, which surprised me a little. A lovely sounding amp. One of my hifi contacts has one. I was surprised at just how capable it is. No offence to integrated in general, but you can often tell when a system is driven by one. Not so with the Creek Evo. I might be wrong, but I think there is a bit of “type casting” when it comes to Creek. A bit like Rega, they have struggled to get recognition when moving up market. Their past VFM products have stopped people from taking their more expensive products seriously.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2018 14:53:28 GMT
Two pics of my 2010S2. Not a bad amp. Musical sounding with drive. Compared to a Farlowe era Exposure integrated. This will make them sound a bit ragged in comparison. S.
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Post by Bigman80 on May 10, 2018 16:37:39 GMT
That looks to be a very nice example. I haven't heard any Exposure from after John Farlowe. I'm glad they have kept the looks pretty much untouched. It's iconic to me,
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2018 16:46:25 GMT
Wouldn't mind trying a 3010S2 someday.
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Post by Bigman80 on May 10, 2018 17:00:56 GMT
I'd expected it to look the same as yours inside bit with 2 extra caps and a slightly larger transformer. It looks like a completely different amp and the transformer is reassuringly large deleting wordpress account
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2018 17:08:52 GMT
Yup! Nice amp.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2018 22:37:24 GMT
That amp is going to be SO heavy to one side. I know it’s only one part of it, but a big transformer is always a good sign when I look inside an amp. Only bettered by.....2 big transformers!
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 15:19:43 GMT
Currently using a bit of this and that at the moment.
Diy amps with nva boards, no cases, separate psu for front end (like A80 but ei transformer on front ends and 340va toroid on output stage) big distance between transformers and amp boards - makes a huge difference ime. These are driving the mid and tweeters of my diy speakers
Diy Avondale voyagers on bass duties. Big 340va toroids, regulated front ends.
I have another 4 nva amp boards sat waiting so i can triamp my 3way semi omni behemoths. Need another set of ls6 though before i can use a 6 pack
Pre is just four resistors - no source selector, no volume control. I cant change the volume without getting the soldering iron out but it sounds damn fine. As everything is built on 60cm square 20mm chipboard sheets i have no colouration from cases.
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Post by Bigman80 on May 20, 2018 18:31:30 GMT
Feel free to put up any pics or even links to stuff you've posted elsewhere, Stu.
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