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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 15, 2020 10:27:52 GMT
Feel free to provide an answer and i'll collate the best ones and make this topic a sticky.
Answers should be in laymans terms
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Post by antonio on Dec 15, 2020 14:20:41 GMT
Cables can sound different for sure. I've always put it down to the quality of copper/silver used and to shielding. How shielding works on a power cable I don't know.
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Post by Bigman80 on Dec 15, 2020 14:56:13 GMT
Cables can sound different for sure. I've always put it down to the quality of copper/silver used and to shielding. How shielding works on a power cable I don't know. Ah, good point. Maybe this subject needs two subcategories. |
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Post by electronumpty on Dec 15, 2020 16:44:43 GMT
I would say they sound different in my experiance . The original bell wire interconnects I had sounded very thin, when slapped on the lab table they made a sort of "Tack" sound.
When I upgraded, had a pair of Cambridge blue cable jobbies which gave a much more audible "Thunk " under the same testing conditions.
However both of these paled into insignificance compared the the full and satisfying "Thud" that my home brew Furukawa 6n copper cables make when they hit thw wooden table top.
I've tried loads of makes in between but always come back to the reassuring and comforting sound of the "Thudding" homebrews.
Before anyone asks I can definitely tell the difference in a blind test too, absolutely. So yeah, they all sound different to my ears. 🤨
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Post by sq225917 on Dec 15, 2020 18:47:16 GMT
Do they sound different? They can. Does a cable that sounds different in one system sound different in all, nope.
Why? Shielding, LCR. Anything else, see previous answer.
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Post by nonuffin on Dec 18, 2020 9:35:04 GMT
I have probably spent over 20 years squabbling on forums about the subject of cables and I decided a couple of years ago I wouldn't do any more of it and kept my head down when the subject was being debated.
I realised that the naysayers were using non-scientific terminology as part of their stupid and illogical arguments, things like "expectation bias" and "placebo" which are utterly irrelevant in this context, then saying that LCR parameters explains everything so it is impossible to state that cables with equal LCR parameters will sound any different. The worst of the lot is the statement that double blind tests are the final arbiter, but even that is riddled with serious flaws amd cannot be relied upon either. The naysayers have stuck to their intransigent positions and I cannot be arsed any more to get them to see how ridiculous their pompous stances really are.
LCR measurements as we know them are incredibly crude and primitive, especially so when the majority of measurements are taken in static conditions, whereas music is constantly changing in frequency, amplitude, voltage and current, which all affects those LCR parameters. That is not where the answer lies.
Metallurgy does play a significant role though and if we subdivide the two main materials into their respective traits of copper wire versus silver wire, then look at their purities and the way the metal is fabricated and treated, then it gets a lot more complicated. Then add into that the way the wires are insulated and it gets even more complex. The naysayers joke that silver wire is a brighter colour than copper and therefore will produce a "brighter" sound which does have a tiny grain of truth, but that too is throwing the baby out with the bath water by saying that there is a difference between the two metals, yet at the same time denying that they do have sonic differences!
I'm going to stop there for the moment as I can feel my blood pressure rising already which isn't any good for me, but I will return to this thread later.
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Post by electronumpty on Dec 18, 2020 11:16:50 GMT
Do the bench test as I described above, very therapeutic when repeated several times. 🙂
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Post by rexton on Dec 18, 2020 18:45:36 GMT
I like a good cable debate. Always brings out the boxing gloves towards the end. I'm amazed how a bit of Cu and Ag can wire cause grown men to squabble.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2020 22:26:43 GMT
Answer to part A...Yes..
Answer to part 2...dunno.
But they do.
And I'm not even an audiophile.
Or any kind of phile for that matter.
Unless there's a phile word for lusting after leggy redheads with bikini tanlines. 😏👍
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Post by sq225917 on Dec 21, 2020 0:04:49 GMT
The difference between copper and silver is 6% higher conductivity, so you can use 6% lower CSA with silver, thats it.
The thing about LCR parameters is that they are simple, and easily calculated for cause and effects, within known system parameters.
Anything else is fanciful bollocks.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2020 0:27:24 GMT
Fanciful bollocks eh ?
I'll stick with redheads , but thanks anyway. 😯
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Post by nonuffin on Dec 21, 2020 14:39:15 GMT
Fanciful bollocks eh ? I'll stick with redheads , but thanks anyway. 😯 Wise man speaking here.
Methinks I will join him  |
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Post by misterc on Dec 21, 2020 15:53:20 GMT
Arh redheads I knew a few flame haired power tarts, arhhhhhhhhhhhhh the good old days  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2020 0:52:51 GMT
'TARTS' ?
You can't say Tarts....
Bloody hell.
And here's me getting a bollocking for saying "gayer" .
Tarts.
I ask yer. 🙄
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did they have really bushy ginger minges ? 😛
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